OT: Tesla legislation in Nebraska

[hddude55]

In another thread here about the experience of buying cars from dealerships, I mentioned the fact I own a couple Teslas and am admittedly a fan of their cars and their direct sales model. Here in AZ ,Tesla’s two “stores” are both in Scottsdale courtesy of one judge’s ruling allowing them there. However, there is also a service and car delivery site in Tempe. But the car dealers’ deep pockets have done a good job of blocking state legislation to fully open up the state.

I noticed a bill is about to be introduced in the Nebraska Legislature to allow Tesla in Nebraska (if it hasn’t already been introduced). Tesla will face huge opposition from the powerful lobbyists for car dealers. I realize lots of you work for dealerships, have family that do so or want to protect a perceived threat to your local economies. But what I am simply interested in learning is whether you support the current ban, and either way, whether or not you have made your opinion known to your state legislator. If it matters to you, you should let them know although I realize your voice may not carry the weight of lobbyist money — that’s just our system.

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

In another thread here about the experience of buying cars from dealerships, I mentioned the fact I own a couple Teslas and am admittedly a fan of their cars and their direct sales model. Here in AZ ,Tesla’s two “stores” are both in Scottsdale courtesy of one judge’s ruling allowing them there. However, there is also a service and car delivery site in Tempe. But the car dealers’ deep pockets have done a good job of blocking state legislation to fully open up the state.

I noticed a bill is about to be introduced in the Nebraska Legislature to allow Tesla in Nebraska (if it hasn’t already been introduced). Tesla will face huge opposition from the powerful lobbyists for car dealers. I realize lots of you work for dealerships, have family that do so or want to protect a perceived threat to your local economies. But what I am simply interested in learning is whether you support the current ban, and either way, whether or not you have made your opinion known to your state legislator. If it matters to you, you should let them know although I realize your voice may not carry the weight of lobbyist money — that’s just our system.

Last year they announced plans for one of the fast charging stations up by the North 27th Wally World. But I rarely go up that way, and have no idea if it is broke ground or completed.

 

[tpmcg]

blacksmiths never recovered...

 

[little a]

In another thread here about the experience of buying cars from dealerships, I mentioned the fact I own a couple Teslas and am admittedly a fan of their cars and their direct sales model. Here in AZ ,Tesla’s two “stores” are both in Scottsdale courtesy of one judge’s ruling allowing them there. However, there is also a service and car delivery site in Tempe. But the car dealers’ deep pockets have done a good job of blocking state legislation to fully open up the state.

I noticed a bill is about to be introduced in the Nebraska Legislature to allow Tesla in Nebraska (if it hasn’t already been introduced). Tesla will face huge opposition from the powerful lobbyists for car dealers. I realize lots of you work for dealerships, have family that do so or want to protect a perceived threat to your local economies. But what I am simply interested in learning is whether you support the current ban, and either way, whether or not you have made your opinion known to your state legislator. If it matters to you, you should let them know although I realize your voice may not carry the weight of lobbyist money — that’s just our system.

Amen brother, it’s the same here in Texas—- it’s a sham and a shame in regards the oil and gas industry buying off politicians. There is an article in the paper here about Sen. Cruz fighting for oil and gas but pissing off Iowa corn farmers in the process.

 

[hddude55]

Last year they announced plans for one of the fast charging stations up by the North 27th Wally World. But I rarely go up that way, and have no idea if it is broke ground or completed.

They have Superchargers spaced across I-80. It's the stores and service centers that are banned.

 

[MITCH492]

It makes no sense to ban the stores and service centers.

After all this is a free capitalist country we live in.

Right?

 

[Solana Beach Husker]

It makes no sense to ban the stores and service centers.

After all this is a free capitalist country we live in.

Right?

Whoever thinks capitalism means free is an idiot...capitalism means competition, and inevitably conflict between parties leads to a victor that is stronger than when the conflict began and is more likely to win the next conflict, therefore becoming stronger. That is why capitalism ALWAYS lead to monopolies, and then a government system has to come in and past antitrust and monopoly laws to control capitalism.

 

[TheNewNU]

Whoever thinks capitalism means free is an idiot...capitalism means competition, and inevitably conflict between parties leads to a victor that is stronger than when the conflict began and is more likely to win the next conflict, therefore becoming stronger. That is why capitalism ALWAYS lead to monopolies, and then a government system has to come in and past antitrust and monopoly laws to control capitalism.

Yeah cause Socialism is working out SO well for Venezuela right now. You know they passed a law in Venezuela recently that made it illegal for doctors to say a person has died of starvation? due to the fact that so many people are starving to death. In Socialism you wait for bread, in Capitalism bread waits for you.

 

[TheNewNU]

Nebraska is like many states in that it is illegal to buy a new car from anyone except a licensed dealership. This was due to the dealerships lobbyists lining local politicians pockets to ensure that people had to go through them if they wanted a new car. Tesla sells there cars straight from the manufacturer which all in all saves people about 3 grand on average because it cuts out the middle man dealer. I'm all for the deregulation of the car dealership industry.

 

[hddude55]

I would appreciate opinions on allowing Tesla in Nebraska or not — and also am interested to hear if anyone has reached out to his/her legislator to express an opinion. I don’t think we can possibly do justice to a broader debate of our economic and political systems. Of course you are free to take this thread anywhere you choose.

 

[hddude55]

Nebraska is like many states in that it is illegal to buy a new car from anyone except a licensed dealership. This was due to the dealerships lobbyists lining local politicians pockets to ensure that people had to go through them if they wanted a new car. Tesla sells there cars straight from the manufacturer which all in all saves people about 3 grand on average because it cuts out the middle man dealer. I'm all for the deregulation of the car dealership industry.

I’m not sure what costs are saved via direct sales and it might hard to prove that 3 grand number. I am just not a fan of protectionism for car dealers although I realize those are fighting words for a lot of people who work there or worry about losing their local dealerships. From a personal experience standpoint I found the Tesla buying process very straightforward but realize some people enjoy dickering. I wish there was a network of independent mechanics to work on Teslas, but obviously that will take time.

 

[Husker.Wed.]

I guess I'm missing something because I live in CA. If Tesla wants to sell cars in Nebraska, why can't they?

As far as the oil/gas company argument against electric cars, I have never been able to figure that out. It takes more energy to burn oil to turn a power plant dynamo, push the electricity across transmission lines, and put it into a battery than it does to have the oil fuel the engine inside the car. One would think the oil companies would be all over electric cars. It isn't like we are building a whole bunch of new nuclear or (big, beautiful, clean) coal plants.

 

[hddude55]

I guess I'm missing something because I live in CA. If Tesla wants to sell cars in Nebraska, why can't they?.

Many states including NE ban direct sales of motor vehicles. Auto dealers typically argue they provide a better sales and service experience. I think most customers would laugh at that argument, which explains why so many of us use independent mechanics post-warranty and buy with Web pricing.

But they also often argue that they will go away and local economies will be ruined, and therefore need to be protected from direct sales competition. Certainly Amazon has caused a lot of stores and malls to be stressed if not flat out closed. So should state legislators have blocked Amazon from selling in their states?

Of course I think we’d pretty naive if we didn’t understand the bans are mostly pure power politics - money talks, loudly.

 

[ExxHusker]

I have reservations for two Model 3’s. I’m sold. Once you drive one it has the same effect as getting an iPhone when you had an old flip phone. So many advantages over ICE vehicles on the market.

If you drive locally you never have to stop at a gas/charge station. You leave the garage with a full tank every morning. If you drive 15,000 miles a year the fuel cost is $5/week and you can charge at off peak rates if your provider offers.

The safety advantage pretty dramatic. With the sensors and collision avoidance.

The acceleration is sudden. Seems like you go from 40 to 70 instantly - it puts you back on your seat. No radiator fluid, motor oil, etc. They bring service to you if repairs are needed. Very few moving parts compared to ICE.

The direct sales model cuts out the middle man! All Model 3’s have the equipment for fully autonomous operation. Can be turned on via software download if you choose to upgrade when autonomous legal hurdles are cleared.

Let the free market do its thing.

 

[ExxHusker]

From an energy standpoint it isn’t clear that it is good or bad for the oil industry. Electricity generated by nuclear, coal, natural gas, solar, and wind.

Wind is ridiculously uneconomic.

Nuclear has political problems.

Solar is and will remain tiny.

Natural gas is much cleaner than coal and incredibly abundant/cheaper in US due to modern techniques to stimulate production from low permiabity deposits (shale). The IOC’s long ago realized the transition to natural gas via LNG and shale was the path to low cost environmentally friendly energy and that electricity growth was going to be massive. So big oil and Tesla are going to coexist nicely.

 

[WHCSC]

I have reservations for two Model 3’s. I’m sold. Once you drive one it has the same effect as getting an iPhone when you had an old flip phone. So many advantages over ICE vehicles on the market.

If you drive locally you never have to stop at a gas/charge station. You leave the garage with a full tank every morning. If you drive 15,000 miles a year the fuel cost is $5/week and you can charge at off peak rates if your provider offers.

The safety advantage pretty dramatic. With the sensors and collision avoidance.

The acceleration is sudden. Seems like you go from 40 to 70 instantly - it puts you back on your seat. No radiator fluid, motor oil, etc. They bring service to you if repairs are needed. Very few moving parts compared to ICE.

The direct sales model cuts out the middle man! All Model 3’s have the equipment for fully autonomous operation. Can be turned on via software download if you choose to upgrade when autonomous legal hurdles are cleared.

Let the free market do its thing.

How long will it take for you to make back your investment from the gas & maintenance savings?

 

[huskerfan1414]

While I'm not an expert in all the arguments for and against, on the surface I am absolutely for more competition in the marketplace and Tesla should be allowed to sell wherever.
Of course I'll never buy one, but it doesn't mean other people shouldn't have the option.

 

[ExxHusker]

How long will it take for you to make back your investment from the gas & maintenance savings?

Partially depends on the tax credit I wind up getting. As a function of production it goes from $7,500, to $3,750, to $1,875, then zero. I think I will get one $7,500 and one $3,750 but no way of knowing right now.

Also depends of how natural gas and oil prices move relative to each other. If domestic natural gas stays low because there is so much of it and it takes time to build LNG export facilities and oil spikes because the industry hasn’t been investing due to low oil prices as I believe it will, then four to five years. But there are other value added features of the Tesla so it isn’t just fuel break even.

 

[WHCSC]

Partially depends on the tax credit I wind up getting. As a function of production it goes from $7,500, to $3,750, to $1,875, then zero. I think I will get one $7,500 and one $3,750 but no way of knowing right now.

Also depends of how natural gas and oil prices move relative to each other. If domestic natural gas stays low because there is so much of it and it takes time to build LNG export facilities and oil spikes because the industry hasn’t been investing due to low oil prices as I believe it will, then four to five years. But there are other value added features of the Tesla so it isn’t just fuel break even.

I’d go with a nice used Nissan Leaf myself.

But to your point, I absolutely support the direct sales model and would hope other makes would follow.

 

[ExxHusker]

By the way power plants especially co-gen plants are much more efficient than the energy recovered burning fuel in an ICE vehicle.

 

[cornhustler]

Socialism you wait for bread, in Capitalism bread waits for you.

Love the Capitalism guy with a Jesus picture. As far as Tesla is concerned here is a long article on the whole topic of energy and Tesla.

 

[hddude55]

I have reservations for two Model 3’s. I’m sold. Once you drive one it has the same effect as getting an iPhone when you had an old flip phone. So many advantages over ICE vehicles on the market.

If you drive locally you never have to stop at a gas/charge station. You leave the garage with a full tank every morning. If you drive 15,000 miles a year the fuel cost is $5/week and you can charge at off peak rates if your provider offers.

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Got my 3 last week and with a low VIN 47xx I expect a few bugs. So far so good. I like it better than our S for around town given smaller size.

 

[ExxHusker]

Got my 3 last week and with a low VIN 47xx I expect a few bugs. So far so good. I like it better than our S for around town given smaller size.

Any other observation about your 3? I have heard that a lot of what they learned from the S and X was incorporated into the three and it is a big improvement in many ways even though it is the lower cost vehicle.

 

[Redondo]

Amen brother, it’s the same here in Texas—- it’s a sham and a shame in regards the oil and gas industry buying off politicians. There is an article in the paper here about Sen. Cruz fighting for oil and gas but pissing off Iowa corn farmers in the process.

What is somewhat interesting is, since a lot of the generation of electricity is done by burning natural gas and, therefore the gas industry benefits from that, and the electrical industry benefits, I don't understand a lot of the logic of ALL of the resistance to these cars. It must, mostly be because of the direct sales aspect?

But, the aspect of the electricity generation from natural gas means these cars are not all entirely green, either.

 

[Sinomatic]

Love the Capitalism guy with a Jesus picture. As far as Tesla is concerned here is a long article on the whole topic of energy and Tesla.

The Deists whom helped start this country were for capitalism as well. Socialism did in fact exist here before the revolution and they found it didn't work even on a small scale....people got lazy and didn't raise as many crops because they could rely on the next guy..

There is no perfect economic system because human beings are nefariously prideful and selfish. All socialism does is secure more power in the hands of the few governing individuals via taxation than capitalism does.

Lets not get started on communism which is straight up civic slavery.

But all socialism really is, is communism with a mask and just waiting for a crisis to take off the mask.

I'm all for Tesla getting free access to the market just like any other industry so long as their product doesn't physically harm people or verifiably destroy the local environment to a larger degree than the current technology does.

I'm not one for a smart car so I'll never get one.

 

[hddude55]

What is somewhat interesting is, since a lot of the generation of electricity is done by burning natural gas and, therefore the gas industry benefits from that, and the electrical industry benefits, I don't understand a lot of the logic of ALL of the resistance to these cars. It must, mostly be because of the direct sales aspect?

But, the aspect of the electricity generation from natural gas means these cars are not all entirely green, either.

I think most of the legislative lobbying is from car dealers.

I think a small minority of people will choose electric cars because they are green or not green. But for city drivers electric cars should make their commutes less smoggy. That's not to say a coal-fired electric generating plant 100 miles away isn't creating pollution. Here in Phoenix area I assume my car is mostly drinking electricity from our nuclear generators, which of course have their own detractors.

 

[cornhustler]

Deists whom helped start this country

I never said anything about deists or the founding of America. It was funny to me he used a bread analogy, given Jesus gave away all the bread he had and more, for free. Under the tenents of capitalism (supply and demand) Jesus should have been charging through the nose.

 

[hddude55]

Any other observation about your 3? I have heard that a lot of what they learned from the S and X was incorporated into the three and it is a big improvement in many ways even though it is the lower cost vehicle.

I've only had the car for a week. I suspect car preference will be mostly based on size preference. Of course any newer design will have some improvements. Touchscreen may be very slightly quicker. Range is better. But so far I've concluded we would use the bigger car for longer trips. That car also has free Supercharging so for a longer trip that would be a slight factor, probably. BTW electric cost of home charging here in AZ is about half the cost of gas for our hybrid Civic although that's hardly a great reason to buy an expensive new car.

 

[little a]

I have reservations for two Model 3’s. I’m sold. Once you drive one it has the same effect as getting an iPhone when you had an old flip phone. So many advantages over ICE vehicles on the market.

If you drive locally you never have to stop at a gas/charge station. You leave the garage with a full tank every morning. If you drive 15,000 miles a year the fuel cost is $5/week and you can charge at off peak rates if your provider offers.

The safety advantage pretty dramatic. With the sensors and collision avoidance.

The acceleration is sudden. Seems like you go from 40 to 70 instantly - it puts you back on your seat. No radiator fluid, motor oil, etc. They bring service to you if repairs are needed. Very few moving parts compared to ICE.

The direct sales model cuts out the middle man! All Model 3’s have the equipment for fully autonomous operation. Can be turned on via software download if you choose to upgrade when autonomous legal hurdles are cleared.

Let the free market do its thing.

Perfect analogy on the iphone.... my neighbor has the S and when I drove it I was blown away, literally, the acceleration is unreal!!

 

[hddude55]

Perfect analogy on the iphone.... my neighbor has the S and when I drove it I was blown away, literally, the acceleration is unreal!!

100% torque immediately is the answer. Teslas would not do well running a lot of laps on a track vs many fast cars, but stoplight to stoplight they are awesome without any driver skill. I never track my cars but unfortunately do encounter a fair number of red lights every day, so I value quick acceleration on the street vs superior track ability.

 

[dand84]

That wish governs least, governs best. Banning Tesla doesn't help me, the consumer, in any way, shape or form.

 

[TheNewNU]

Love the Capitalism guy with a Jesus picture. As far as Tesla is concerned here is a long article on the whole topic of energy and Tesla.

Rising tides lift all boats.

 

[WestCoastCornhusker2]

In another thread here about the experience of buying cars from dealerships, I mentioned the fact I own a couple Teslas and am admittedly a fan of their cars and their direct sales model. Here in AZ ,Tesla’s two “stores” are both in Scottsdale courtesy of one judge’s ruling allowing them there. However, there is also a service and car delivery site in Tempe. But the car dealers’ deep pockets have done a good job of blocking state legislation to fully open up the state.

I noticed a bill is about to be introduced in the Nebraska Legislature to allow Tesla in Nebraska (if it hasn’t already been introduced). Tesla will face huge opposition from the powerful lobbyists for car dealers. I realize lots of you work for dealerships, have family that do so or want to protect a perceived threat to your local economies. But what I am simply interested in learning is whether you support the current ban, and either way, whether or not you have made your opinion known to your state legislator. If it matters to you, you should let them know although I realize your voice may not carry the weight of lobbyist money — that’s just our system.

I wouldn't worry about it, Tesla will be going bankrupt real soon. Then those cars will be worthless.

 

[WestCoastCornhusker2]

I wouldn't worry about it, Tesla will be going bankrupt real soon. Then those cars will be worthless.

Deregulate as much as possible, dealers included, but Tesla receices massive govt subsidies, credits, and mandates. Tesla only exists because of the government subsidies. They should all be cancelled. Including all subsidies for wind power, solar, oil, nat gas, and coal.

 

[Sinomatic]

I never said anything about deists or the founding of America. It was funny to me he used a bread analogy, given Jesus gave away all the bread he had and more, for free. Under the tenents of capitalism (supply and demand) Jesus should have been charging through the nose.

Jesus is God the Son, so therefore could make whatever He wanted, so therefore no need for money. He was asked for money once and told Peter??? to look for a fish and open its mouth and there was a gold coin, I believe it was for a tithe???

God is not against profit, but he is against scales with false weights, in other words cheating.

 

[ExxHusker]

I wouldn't worry about it, Tesla will be going bankrupt real soon. Then those cars will be worthless.

There are a lot of people that have been smart enough to amass huge fortunes that are betting on Tesla. The market cap is between Ford and GM right now. Maybe they are wrong. But this is transformational.

Fleets of autonomous 18 wheelers, roving autonomous Dominos vehicles with ovens on them delivering Pizza in under 5 minutes optimized by machine learning. Drones that provide individual air taxi service (these exist). These are tiny examples of what is happening. The efficiency (symbiosis) of natural gas and the load leveling of charging vehicles at night will crush the inefficiency of wasteful ICE vehicles.

The future in mass transit is sort of UBER on steroid. By the way for real thrills electric motorcycles are truly quick.

 

[little a]

Deregulate as much as possible, dealers included, but Tesla receices massive govt subsidies, credits, and mandates. Tesla only exists because of the government subsidies. They should all be cancelled. Including all subsidies for wind power, solar, oil, nat gas, and coal.

And subsidies for crops and land?

 

[Kleitusbpn]

Even if tesla goes under spacex will not... And will be able to hold the other up as long as it wants.

Spacex launches are an order of magnitude cheaper than the competition. Frankly as they work out the bugs, that market is theirs and they will make money doing it.

Imo, the very real possibility of asteroid belt mining and getting to mars just became reality with that launch the other day. It'll take time (15-20 years) but some doors definitely opened if you were paying attention.

 

[schuele]

I wouldn't worry about it, Tesla will be going bankrupt real soon. Then those cars will be worthless.

I don't own a Tesla - but even if the company went bankrupt, why would the cars suddenly be worthless?

I don't own a Hummer or a Saab either - but if I did, i could still drive them even though the companies are no longer around.

 

[Baxter48]

Deregulate as much as possible, dealers included, but Tesla receices massive govt subsidies, credits, and mandates. Tesla only exists because of the government subsidies. They should all be cancelled. Including all subsidies for wind power, solar, oil, nat gas, and coal.

I'm all for free markets but it needs to be on even ground, I agree if Tesla didn't get all the subsidies and credits nobody buy warren buffet could afford them!!! I'm all for alternative sources of energy but they have to be efficient, let's face it it cost way more to produce electricity with wind and solar they are running in the red compared to coal and natural gas, even ethanol costs more to make than you get out of it, and I'm in production agriculture but not a fan of it.