OT- Lancaster County needs military style vehicles?
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not at all surprised.. the police across the country are built up more like the military these days.. it can be an uncomfortable feeling..
I still remember when I was in the army and was sent to Germany way back when there was an east and west, and I was shocked to see police in the airport carrying sub machine guns.. It's probably a similar uncomfortable feeling.. Make sure you have your papers in order
I still remember when I was in the army and was sent to Germany way back when there was an east and west, and I was shocked to see police in the airport carrying sub machine guns.. It's probably a similar uncomfortable feeling.. Make sure you have your papers in order
Obviously Lancaster County is part of the whole Jade Helm 15 hostile takeover headed our way.
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anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi
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Have you picked out your internment camp yet? I'm hoping for a Walmart with a large electronics section, so I don't miss any football games.
No brainer. When Bo got the boot, the County decided to take matters into their own hands to keep Carl from ever coming back now that he has no ties. Lincoln's women are now safe thanks to this vehicle.
i thought the military was practically giving that stuff away. not to say its not taxpayer money.
images like these are rich...someone i know was just lamenting the broken down humvee he got the good pleasure of riding in afghanistan several years ago.
That vehicle is an MRAP. We built ~15,000 of them in a year, year and half during the Bush administration when Sec Gates took over Defense. it was woefully apparent we had no equipment to survive IEDs.
Now that the war is over, the Army and Marines don't want them, and it was politically untenable to leave them behind. So the Feds are selling them cheap to pretty much the only buyers around, which are local govts and the like. I don't know what the Feds are asking, but I'd be surprised if the asking price covers the cost to ship them from theater to the States even.
Now that the war is over, the Army and Marines don't want them, and it was politically untenable to leave them behind. So the Feds are selling them cheap to pretty much the only buyers around, which are local govts and the like. I don't know what the Feds are asking, but I'd be surprised if the asking price covers the cost to ship them from theater to the States even.
I'm not sure how this one was purchased. But you better believe all the equipment it was outfitted with came out of local tax payer money, or possibly they got a grant from the state or from the a federal agency.
Everyone should read this book. http://www.amazon.com/Rise-Warrior-Cop-Militarization-Americas/dp/1610394577
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Isn't the Air Force retiring the A-10 Warthog? I wonder how much a couple of those would cost Lancaster County. I'm a bit confused how any of this equipment will help the lincoln police catch speeders and j-walkers though....
I'm less worried about how much tax payer money is being spent, and more worried about local police forces resembling the military. And when they resemble the military they begin to act like it. I just don't see why it's needed.
What I think is rich, is somehow local police forces (not just ours, nationwide for the most part) can find ways to afford military vehicles, yet can't figure out a way to strap a camera on a officer.
I lol'd.Obviously when the Huskers win the National Championship in January there's going to be some serious crowd control.
You are correct, sir. You can add the Lincoln Public School system to that list as well. Once they get a bond paid off, it is immediately replaced by another bond for an equal amount and touted as "not adding to your taxes". In the years in between, we watch our property tax evaluations go up. Fun stuff.
So I guess know it all NikkiSIx would prefer American Police go back to having nothing but 9mms and shotguns, and use their cruisers for cover which high powered rounds go through like butter, and when it hits the fan, just hope to get lucky and have not innocent civilians killed? This is what you’d get.
American police now live and work in an environment where there are countless gang members who have served in the military.
http://www.businessinsider.com/fbi-gang-assessment-us-military-2011-10
Upon leaving the military they have trained other gang members in tactics they have learned. This incident shows what can and will happen when one of these people decides to use that training:
Worst case scenarios, can happen anywhere.
http://timelines.latimes.com/deadliest-shooting-rampages/
One of these days it won't be just a lone nut job, it will be ISIS on our soil. It will be people who are not going to kill themselves, it will be people who will not stop until someone else kills them. One of these days ISIS will actually help these “Lone Wolf” types with professionals, like the two guys who were unbelievably killed by an officer in Garland Texas before they could do a lot of damage.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/isis-planning-attack-nyc-canadian-terrorist-article-1.1955051
Having a vehicle like these means these agencies will not have to go commandeer an armed car from Brinks or some other armored car company in order to get officers closer to a threat or rescue badly injured parties who are in the line of fire (like in the famous North Hollywood Bank Robbery Shootout).
http://www.tampabay.com/news/public...-needs-armored-vehicle-like-other-law/1187370
“During the aforementioned North Hollywood bank robbery shoot-out, patrol officers on the scene commandeered a nearby commercial armored delivery truck to rescue officers and civilians.35 Following the gun battle that lasted 30 minutes,”
One thing is for sure, when these vehicles are needed, you know what will have hit the fan, and people will be dead or dying. Also, there is no guarantee that the vehicle will be able to get to wherever it is needed to save lives. But better to have one then to have to hope there is a freaking dump truck nearby!!!
http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/19160687/2012/07/31/st-pete-police-get-armored-truck
"An officer was thinking on his feet and went and commandeered a dump truck from this construction crew," Officer David Gerardo recalled Tuesday. "That was the only protection we had from gunfire in front of that house that morning."
http://www.tampabay.com/news/public...-needs-armored-vehicle-like-other-law/1187370
Some of you are so paranoid and have your head in the sand. But you’d be the same people who will complain when something happens about how poorly prepared the police were to handle a situation.
Local agencies who will be the FIRST responders to any crisis caused by local criminals or international terrorists, are trying to not be like the US government, was with 9-11, and have a complete “Failure of Imagination.” How dare officials try to be prepared for the worst case?
http://www.policeone.com/police-pro...s-armored-vehicle-for-protection-in-shootout/
There have been numerous examples of how armored vehicles have been useful to law enforcement. What scares me is the scenario that no one has thought about yet. We are talking about protection and rescuing here people! Get a grip with your paranoia! Or I guess you’d prefer officers bleed to death and wait hours for the National Guard to mobilize?
American police now live and work in an environment where there are countless gang members who have served in the military.
http://www.businessinsider.com/fbi-gang-assessment-us-military-2011-10
Upon leaving the military they have trained other gang members in tactics they have learned. This incident shows what can and will happen when one of these people decides to use that training:
Worst case scenarios, can happen anywhere.
http://timelines.latimes.com/deadliest-shooting-rampages/
One of these days it won't be just a lone nut job, it will be ISIS on our soil. It will be people who are not going to kill themselves, it will be people who will not stop until someone else kills them. One of these days ISIS will actually help these “Lone Wolf” types with professionals, like the two guys who were unbelievably killed by an officer in Garland Texas before they could do a lot of damage.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/isis-planning-attack-nyc-canadian-terrorist-article-1.1955051
Having a vehicle like these means these agencies will not have to go commandeer an armed car from Brinks or some other armored car company in order to get officers closer to a threat or rescue badly injured parties who are in the line of fire (like in the famous North Hollywood Bank Robbery Shootout).
http://www.tampabay.com/news/public...-needs-armored-vehicle-like-other-law/1187370
“During the aforementioned North Hollywood bank robbery shoot-out, patrol officers on the scene commandeered a nearby commercial armored delivery truck to rescue officers and civilians.35 Following the gun battle that lasted 30 minutes,”
One thing is for sure, when these vehicles are needed, you know what will have hit the fan, and people will be dead or dying. Also, there is no guarantee that the vehicle will be able to get to wherever it is needed to save lives. But better to have one then to have to hope there is a freaking dump truck nearby!!!
http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/19160687/2012/07/31/st-pete-police-get-armored-truck
"An officer was thinking on his feet and went and commandeered a dump truck from this construction crew," Officer David Gerardo recalled Tuesday. "That was the only protection we had from gunfire in front of that house that morning."
http://www.tampabay.com/news/public...-needs-armored-vehicle-like-other-law/1187370
Some of you are so paranoid and have your head in the sand. But you’d be the same people who will complain when something happens about how poorly prepared the police were to handle a situation.
Local agencies who will be the FIRST responders to any crisis caused by local criminals or international terrorists, are trying to not be like the US government, was with 9-11, and have a complete “Failure of Imagination.” How dare officials try to be prepared for the worst case?
http://www.policeone.com/police-pro...s-armored-vehicle-for-protection-in-shootout/
There have been numerous examples of how armored vehicles have been useful to law enforcement. What scares me is the scenario that no one has thought about yet. We are talking about protection and rescuing here people! Get a grip with your paranoia! Or I guess you’d prefer officers bleed to death and wait hours for the National Guard to mobilize?
NewAD if I could like your post a thousand times I would do it.
I'm going to "cool story bro" you and lightspeed.
Police forces are tasked with domestic security. Military forces are tasked with enemies of the state. When the same force shares both duties, the people tend to become enemies of the state.
I believe that general sentiment was made popular in several places, but it was prominently featured in a sci-fi series not too long ago.
History is littered with governments who had good intentions but eventually infringed on the wrong people. Our country was formed as a result of this general concept, so we have direct experience in these matters.
So therefore, no matter how good lightspeed plans on being, he can't assure that LPD or the county or the State of Nebraska, isn't going to find him a nuisance or turn on him at some point, however likely it is.
I plan on being good too, and I don't in general have a problem with the hardware, but I can't dismiss out of hand arguments to the contrary.
There's also the old adage, when you have a hammer, every problem becomes a nail. An MRAP capable of mounting crew served weapons and absorbing several thousand pounds of explosive force, is a pretty big hammer to be carrying in a given city, especially one as docile as Lincoln.
We have an aircraft boneyard. All that stuff goes to get chopped up. There's no legitimate use at the state level for military aircraft.
Ground equipment I'm not real familiar with the disposal process as it doesn't seem near as formalized as aircraft. A lot of the old tanks and stuff we had, ended up in Allied hands cause they could buy it on the cheap. The newer models, like the M1's, I don't know even know how many have been taken out of service, if any. But I would suppose those aren't going to be items we just sell to some small country and they certainly wouldn't just show up in police force hands.
MRAPs are kind of a unique item, bigger and more imposing than your typical Jeep or Hummer for transport, but not a fully weaponized system like a tank or Stryker.
Yeah call me crazy, I want a very well equipped police force, CRAZY I tell ya. I freely admit most of this world seems to be flying right over my head. For the life of me I can't comprehend why somebody would be against this. I remember watching the show Cheers a long time ago...Norm walks into the bar and somebody asks him how the world treating ya Norm..He says"I feel like I'm in the slow lane and everyone is passing me by". Good gawd, if this vehicle saves so much as one life, police or civilian, it's worth it. Those videos AD posted are real life shit, this stuff happens. I love this vehicle if this stuff happens, if you don't that's cool. Won't be the first or last time we disagree I'm sure. I'll end with this, the world is getting more dangerous with bigger weirdo's who value human life at less than zero. I want big guns in the right hands, and badass people carrying them who are willing to lay down their life to protect me. Give 'em a freaking bazooka if the budget calls for it.
