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OT AI facial recognition

But will you? That is the question. Is principle more important than paycheck? Only you can decide that.

Interesting topic nonetheless.
I have masking tape in my lunchbox to tape over the lens and am in the process of informing people their biometric data is being stored somewhere without their knowledge and consent. I have a Union backing me. I imagine I'll be putting my notice in the next few weeks, getting fired or getting bought out.
 
I have a buddy who does home building in Utah. Before the 08 crash they were building over 400 homes a year. Insane. But his scheduling program enabled that to happen. 3-4 subs in every trade, perfectly scheduled, and voila....over 1 home a day. I think they are somewhere around 250 now. Still crazy to me. Hard to wrap one's mind around how technology and streamlining has increased production.
Removing down-time and increasing efficiency is great. Does that mean the employee is delivering more value to justify a higher wage?
 
I have masking tape in my lunchbox to tape over the lens and am in the process of informing people their biometric data is being stored somewhere without their knowledge and consent. I have a Union backing me. I imagine I'll be putting my notice in the next few weeks, getting fired or getting bought out.
Interested to hear how your union works through this.
 
Interested to hear how your union works through this.
Kinda think my employer doesn't have a leg to stand on since they were supposed to blur out our faces in the agreement.

BTW, they already had GPS on everything before this. So if someone was parked and sleeping, all a Foreman would have to do is drive where the employee was sleeping and nail them.
 
Removing down-time and increasing efficiency is great. Does that mean the employee is delivering more value to justify a higher wage?
No. In most cases workmanship has gone astray. But production seems to be at higher degree of desire regardless of the quality. Im shocked by how much the common foot soldier in the construction world is getting paid. Many of the trades that once were considered a form of art have become a thing of the past. Brick laying has given way to stone veneer. Similar cost in labor, but half the talent needed. Trim carpentry.... same.

Home building cost are just insane. People want to blame material cost, but in reality, labor is almost as bad, if not worse in certain areas. And for what? A fraction of the workmanship? Sad!
 
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I have read that Amazon has this in their delivery vehicles. If the AI catches you yawning or doing anything besides looking at the road your supervisor gets an alert. I don’t want that level of micromanagement.
 
I have read that Amazon has this in their delivery vehicles. If the AI catches you yawning or doing anything besides looking at the road your supervisor gets an alert. I don’t want that level of micromanagement.
Ours is capable of the same thing. If you clip a curb, accelerate through a turn a little too fast, even move your eyes to look at the side mirror, sudden stops, accelerate a little too hard, it sends an alert to mid and upper management.

I can understand surveillance to make sure nobody is using their phone while driving but this along with storing my biometric data, scanning my face to gauge emotion and several other things is way way overboard.
 
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Not a teacher.

Not gonna win this battle Christ will.

Oh well I won't be blamed for people having a boot on their neck in 5 years.

As soon as AI gets to AGI this is over.
I assume it was a barb at me. Little does he know I'm not a member of the union.
 
You give the same data out every time you fly from most airports.

Yes, if you’re forced to travel for work I suppose. This surveillance has been forced upon at the risk of losing his employment and well being. Otherwise nobody is forced to travel by air and the actions taken are directly related to security and keeping people safe.

Not sure what major security asset the company gains by such surveillance on their employees? I’m guessing this is all about using AI surveillance to promote a more efficient and compliant labor force. (drivers) Hey, if it’s legal it’s legal until the law catches up and changes things. But I wouldn’t want to work for a company that feels the need to intimately surveil my every move without a good security reason to do so.

Well depends on how much they want to pay me! We all have a number that will compromise our standards and ethics. 🤣
 
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If you have a smartphone or use a laptop with a camera they're constantly recording you in addition to knowing your browsing & search history already. I'm with the employer on this one. If I'm paying drivers on my expensive trucks I want to make sure they're working properly. No different than employees at store being recorded constantly. If someone has a problem with this the employer probably assumes they're doing something wrong. Would also help with liability in the event of an accident.
 
If you have a smartphone or use a laptop with a camera they're constantly recording you in addition to knowing your browsing & search history already. I'm with the employer on this one. If I'm paying drivers on my expensive trucks I want to make sure they're working properly. No different than employees at store being recorded constantly. If someone has a problem with this the employer probably assumes they're doing something wrong. Would also help with liability in the event of an accident.
You do realize there is a difference between facial recognition and AI facial recognition right? And it's not like I agree with the government or corporations spying on citizens. I'm against that. This is a little more invasive. Learned today they have zoom meetings every week and pull up everyone's faces and go over shit.

If you have kids your stance is going to put a boot on their neck in the future. Congratulations on being a bitch.
 
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You do realize there is a difference between facial recognition and AI facial recognition right? And it's not like I agree with the government or corporations spying on citizens. I'm against that. This is a little more invasive. Learned today they have zoom meetings every week and pull up everyone's faces and go over shit.

If you have kids your stance is going to put a boot on their neck in the future. Congratulations on being a bitch.
Dude, its a camera. New cars have them installed to know which settings to use for the driver. I bet you have a smartphone, it already spies on you more than your employer, and I'm sure it uses some kind of ai recognition to feed you ads. Your employer owns the equipment. Like I said earlier, if you have a problem with this I bet you have something to hide.
 
My social credit score is gonna be sh!t once AI finds all my shit posting. Will social credit be more valuable than my 823 credit score?
 
Dude, it’s a camera. New cars have them installed to know which settings to use for the driver. I bet you have a smartphone, it already spies on you more than your employer, and I'm sure it uses some kind of ai recognition to feed you ads. Your employer owns the equipment. Like I said earlier, if you have a problem with this I bet you have something to hide.
govern me harder big government… grow a pair
 
Was informed 8 months ago that a new camera surveillance system was going into all trucks where I work. Contract states they have a right to surveillance so I had no protest and just let the Union do their job. They came to an agreeement that as long as faces were blurred and management had them in their trucks as well, we as a Union would not fight it.

Had surgery mid November. I was out for eight weeks and came back to them being installed. For the Union side of things, they are not in all of the Foreman trucks and they also don't blur out faces. Also come to find out that there is AI facial recognition involved. As soon as I get in a truck the system is supposed to assign me to the truck and if the system wrongly identifies me, the Foreman is to correct the mistake so the AI can learn. All this without prior warning or prior consent. I don't know where they are keeping my biometric data.

I'm sure I have no recourse except for to just leave the job. Which I'm prepared to do.
The AI wave is here, and it’s not slowing down. You’ve got two choices: go off-grid, buy land in the mountains, build a cabin, grow your own food, hunt for meat, and ditch the internet forever.

Or, adapt to it. Your call.

That said—do you usually sign off on the truck you’re driving, or is it assigned to you? Beyond efficiency, what makes AI logging your truck any different?


PS - AI edited that response. This is my original:


The AI wave is here and it ain't stoppin. Gotta buy some land up in the mountains, build a cabin, grow your own crops, hunt for your own meat, and never use an internet connected device ever again.

Or adapt to it. Either option is available.

Question: Do you not typically sign off on the truck you are taking or someone is assigning you a truck? Other than being more efficient, how is an AI logging the truck you are in any different?
 
Dude, its a camera. New cars have them installed to know which settings to use for the driver. I bet you have a smartphone, it already spies on you more than your employer, and I'm sure it uses some kind of ai recognition to feed you ads. Your employer owns the equipment. Like I said earlier, if you have a problem with this I bet you have something to hide.
Dude, it's not just a camera.

No my employer just became the biggest spy of me.

Just because they listen to me and send me ads, doesn't mean i agree with it. Nobody should have this type of power.

 
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The AI wave is here, and it’s not slowing down. You’ve got two choices: go off-grid, buy land in the mountains, build a cabin, grow your own food, hunt for meat, and ditch the internet forever.

Or, adapt to it. Your call.

That said—do you usually sign off on the truck you’re driving, or is it assigned to you? Beyond efficiency, what makes AI logging your truck any different?


PS - AI edited that response. This is my original:


The AI wave is here and it ain't stoppin. Gotta buy some land up in the mountains, build a cabin, grow your own crops, hunt for your own meat, and never use an internet connected device ever again.

Or adapt to it. Either option is available.

Question: Do you not typically sign off on the truck you are taking or someone is assigning you a truck? Other than being more efficient, how is an AI logging the truck you are in any different?
I am assigned a truck. It only saves my Foreman about 20 seconds to no longer manually enter it unless it is wrong in identifying one of us.

It's different by capturing my biometric data and storing it. We already had GPS tracking our speed and location before this. Now it records us. Wanna stop people from driving and using the phone? Fine. Wanna try to gauge my mood by my facial expression and monitor me 24/7? F off creep
 
I am assigned a truck. It only saves my Foreman about 20 seconds to no longer manually enter it unless it is wrong in identifying one of us.

It's different by capturing my biometric data and storing it. We already had GPS tracking our speed and location before this. Now it records us. Wanna stop people from driving and using the phone? Fine. Wanna try to gauge my mood by my facial expression and monitor me 24/7? F off creep
Buy your own truck and go independent. You're paying a price for union dues and wages. In some ways, I don't blame them. Last night I saw a trucker weaving back and forth and straddling the center line on the interstate just north of Omaha. In the past I've called 911 and followed guys like that until a trooper could show up. There's no way in hell I would want to run any kind of truck line. Too much liability and too many guys that do stupid stuff. Then there's the accidents that happen from other crappy drivers. My independent grain hauler had a car swerved over and tore his front bumper off. She swore he was at fault until somebody that witnessed the wreck (and thankfully actually stopped) refuted her story. He would have been screwed if not for the witness.
 
Our trucks have had cameras on face and out the front grill for at least a decade. It can be very helpful getting out of accidents. Everyone always wants to blame the trucker.
Supposedly, theres AI in your modems, cable boxes etc right now that can scan the structure of your home and the movements there-in in real time.
 
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He should probably be sleeping more in his truck! Since 1975, U.S. worker productivity has more than doubled, yet wages have only risen about 16%. Meanwhile, back then, guys drank at lunch and partied with fuzzy women at night. You're being robbed, man.
Why has worker productivity increased? Are the workers themselves working that much harder or is it the technology that has made them more productive?

If the latter, it makes sense as to why wages of workers don't directly follow productivity.
 
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FWIW some of the traffic cameras being used in Iowa are capable of being used with facial recognition software. Big brother is always watching. Every time you fly now they're using the technology. I guess as long as you're not doing anything wrong I it shouldn't be a problem. I'm guessing the FBI, CIA, and TSA all probably your facial ID somewhere in their database by now. Scary sh## but that's the age we live in. Ironic that they can do that but can't prevent mid-air collisions at a busy airport.
“As long as youre not doing anything wrong” …what an Absolute classic line of sheep welcoming in tyranny.
 
Yes, if you’re forced to travel for work I suppose. This surveillance has been forced upon at the risk of losing his employment and well being. Otherwise nobody is forced to travel by air and the actions taken are directly related to security and keeping people safe.

Not sure what major security asset the company gains by such surveillance on their employees? I’m guessing this is all about using AI surveillance to promote a more efficient and compliant labor force. (drivers) Hey, if it’s legal it’s legal until the law catches up and changes things. But I wouldn’t want to work for a company that feels the need to intimately surveil my every move without a good security reason to do so.

Well depends on how much they want to pay me! We all have a number that will compromise our standards and ethics. 🤣
What does work have to do with it. The TSA scans everyone at most airports.

Plus, it is going on all over the place without you knowing. Is that right? Maybe not but if you do nothing illegal does it really affect you? You carry a phone that gives them 1000% times more data than anything else.
 
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I’ve toyed with AI, it’s not actual intelligence. It’s just able to use stored information from the internet to formulate answers to questions and requests. It has the same flaws as a blender.

However I agree with the premise of the OP. But we are surrounded by surveillance. Starting with your phone
 
What does work have to do with it. The TSA scans everyone at most airports.

Plus, it is going on all over the place without you knowing. Is that right? Maybe not but if you do nothing illegal does it really affect you? You carry a phone that gives them 1000% times more data than anything else.

The point is nobody is forced to travel by air, unless they are required to for work. You compared his employer surveilling him to the gov’t surveilling you at the airport for security purposes. I pointed out that’s not an apples to apples comparison by any stretch.
 
“As long as youre not doing anything wrong” …what an Absolute classic line of sheep welcoming in tyranny.
public outcry eventually got the traffic speed cams in Sioux City removed. Some of it is stupid freaking people who won't slow down in construction zones. Now that the construction is done and the speed cams are gone, traffic is back up to 10-15 mph over the speed limit. It's crazy. When people flaunt the laws, they have to find ways to protect public safety. Traffic cams have allowed the recovery of many abducted children. I don't like them.....until they allow us to solve serious crimes.
 
What does work have to do with it. The TSA scans everyone at most airports.

Plus, it is going on all over the place without you knowing. Is that right? Maybe not but if you do nothing illegal does it really affect you? You carry a phone that gives them 1000% times more data than anything else.
the cat is out of the bag and it can be used for good or evil....kind of like the ability of the government to tax us for things other than national defense.
 
the cat is out of the bag and it can be used for good or evil....kind of like the ability of the government to tax us for things other than national defense.
Taxes have become outright criminal. Hopefully this gets corrected soon as more and more are becoming aware of the grift
 
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The point is nobody is forced to travel by air, unless they are required to for work. You compared his employer surveilling him to the gov’t surveilling you at the airport for security purposes. I pointed out that’s not an apples to apples comparison by any stretch.
Yeah the company using surveillance in a vehicle is just creepy but I understand why they do it. No doubt Bruce is a model employee but damn there's some bad actors out there. I haven't had employees for a long time in part because of the liability and gubment paperwork.
 
Taxes have become outright criminal. Hopefully this gets corrected soon as more and more are becoming aware of the grift
Doge is working on it. The other dirty little secret is that inflation was purposeful over the past 3-4 years to try to inflate our way out of our ridiculous debt situation. As I told a banker the other day, 10 million dollars isn't what it used to be. Even with the stock market run up, inflation is eating away at it's real value. Inflation and even the wage inflation has moved people up in tax brackets as well. Property taxes have had corresponding inflation as well.
 
Photos are one thing. Me driving in to an area with this is one thing. Working for a company who lies about their intentions with surveillance and not gaining my consent, which is highly unethical, is a completely different story.
If you are driving a company vehicle...they have a right to know where it's going, who is in it, when it's being used, etc...

If your health insurance coverage is dictated that you are a non-smoker and you are seen smoking cigs every day in the vehicle, that coukd be a concern. (Also every company vehicle I've known has a strict "Non-Smoking Policy" for them).

Bottom line...dont leave bars at 1 am in a company vehicle and dtn't arrive at a strip bar at 5:01 pm and you should be fine.

Or...find a job where you drive your own vehicle and you cover all the insurance and expenses.
 
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