Osborne turned down Gary Patterson for Pelini
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And TO told you this directly or you heard this from a friend of a friend thing. I love how everyone now goes back and says I knew Pelini was a bad hire - where were all those voices then.
Self denigrating? Well I have lived here all my life and probably will. If it was so great, why did you leave? I'm objective, and don't wear rose colored glasses.
If you assume that Riley goes 0-3 he will finish with a .500 record for over 3 years. If he is fired, Nebraska will have fired its last 4 coaches with .500 or better records. Coaching is a small fraternity. Coaches talk. If you don't think coaches are well aware of that fact you are crazy. This is a major factor as to why I say Frost may be the best we can get, because an established coach may feel he will not given the chance to turn this program around.
Advantages?
Loyal fan base?? Yep, that calls for the firing of coaches on a regular basis (including the two that won national championships)
Tradition?? Minnesota has tradition too, how are they doing?
Facilities?? Lots of programs have nice facilities.
We can pay a coach a lot?? So can other places. Riley the last I checked was # 41 nationally and # 8 in the Big 10 (which I'm not complaining about).
We can give recruits immediate playing time?? That doesn't stop Bama from getting great players.
We're on TV all the time?? (Oh wait, this isn't the 70s or 80s, everyone is on TV).
Go to the archive for me... I was never that high on Bo! I was just as lukewarm on Bo as I am on Frost.
After he was hired I supported Bo until he blasted the fans
good for you - I dont need to look at archives I believe you and you were right about Pelini so what about Frost concerns you?
Again, I don't think the fan base decides. I think a select few with really deep pockets that have the AD's ear make the decisions.
I truly believe the only thing the average fans can do regarding a coaching decision is they can influence the firing, a la Okie State 2007, by walking out.
This is why I believe Riley is gone, because there is so many upset fans right now, that our blessed sellout streak could end. But when it comes to hiring.....
I really you're really struggling and trying to move the goalposts. Homie don't play that game though.
TO could do no wrong as AD, from a very large portion of posters on this very forum. JFC man, argue against it all you want, but you don't get to recreate history.
Exactly. People were clamoring for Tressel and Frost in 2014. We got Mike Riley...
well sometimes life and career just takes you other places - again you can say negative things about any place in the country and any football program - But NU fans are good fans and I hate they are painted as these "live in the past, unrealistic expectations" thing I do not believe that to be predominately true. NU fans are really good fans imo.
The values, lifestyle and economy of the state in general is also very high - no there are not mountains or an Ocean that is true. However try living on the coast and buy a home with a mountain or ocean view and you will soon realize the lifestyle is the same almost every where you go
I am guilty as charged. I was in the Bo corner. I loved his passion, and the players loved him, but he had to turn some of his ugly side off on game days because it made his team tight. I didn't mind the leaked recordings because we all say stupid stuff when we think we are alone. I dislike Bo because he refused to do what he needed to do to be a better and more respected coach and the adults in the room showed him to the door.
He is not a proven as a lot of other coaches
His Nebraska ties play too big of a role in the fan bases thought process
His biggest win as a head coach is Memphis
He may have played under a lot of big names, and coached under a few. So what, that doesn't mean anything! Callahan has coached under a lot of great coaches, and so did Bo Pelini. How'd they do?
Go ahead and look up any post you want of mine, I don't think Frost is a terrible hire, and I did not think Bo was a terrible hire. I just want the next coach to be the best we can get. If Frost is the best then so be it, just make an effort for the provens first!
Even Moos says he listens to the fans. In the end, this is a business and the fans are the paying customers. So to think that you shouldn't gauge fan interest when hiring a coach is incorrect.
Frost may very well fail here. But take a visit to a Florida message board - he is the #1 choice of almost all of their fans as well, and he has no connection to that program. Just because the last TO hires didn't work out, doesn't mean we shouldn't hire him. Frost has been mentored by a lot of other great coaches besides TO.
I love it too-- I was around back then and I don't remember one person that had a problem with blo. My second favorite is the poster that was there and knows intimate details..... yea right
Someone mentioned the buyout. That's a boat load of cash.
I've said on this board many times, I do not think Nebraska will ever be really good, let alone elite doing what others do. We have to be unique. We've tried pro style twice, mixed results. We've tried spread, mixed results. Nebraska's greatest era 93-97, was when Colorado started to go away from option, and OU had abandoned the wishbone.
I see Frost as someone would could mix a high tempo, fast paced offense (what he currently runs), with a heavy run offense (like he experienced here) that would be really hard to prepare for in one week of practice. Fast and physical. I could be totally wrong on this, but it intrigues me.
While I love all the O talk, one thing those 90s teams happened to have were some of the best defenses we've ever seen as well. I mean we can look at a lot of things over the last failed 20 years, but except for a few exceptions poor defense ranks right up there.
I'm sure he listens to the fans, but I'm positive he will listen to the guys who write the seven digit checks. By the way, just like a politician, he chooses his words carefully (and is much more at ease doing so than SE).
2nd paragraph, totally agree.
I just died a little inside.
Gary Patterson is who I wanted now and then I read we could have had him 2 mediocre coaches ago?
Gary Patterson is who I wanted now and then I read we could have had him 2 mediocre coaches ago?
Yep sometimes it was more fun to punt just to watch the defense get out and wreck someone's offense.Could you image players getting tossed as physical as those guys hit people with the new rules in place.
This is true. A variety of offensive approaches will work if your D is lights out.
I think any kind of offense will work at NU so long as you have the right athletes and the right coaches. Callahan's offense, for example, was not bad. His demise was defense, not offense. I would also argue that, with the exception of 2009, Pelini's offenses were good enough to win title's. Ironically, it was Pelini's defenses that cost him big. I think Melvin Gordon is still running....
And now we have smiling Mike on his way out. His teams stink on both sides of the ball, mainly because of poor coaching on both lines.
To me, the key is to begin with tough, tough defense. It is a cliche, but damn it, a great defense can keep you in any game. For example, as good as Osborne's offenses were, his big breakthrough in the 90's only happened when his defense's became dominant. If we had had a better defense in 82-83, we would have had two more back to back titles. People bitch about that out of bounds completion by Penn State in 82. What they tend to forget is that Blackledge drove the length of the field in about fifty seconds, shredding our pass defense to pieces to even be in position to benefit from that bad call. Or the utter embarrassment of McCashland and Burke, in 83 against Miami, actually swapping jerseys to try and fool Kosar. Talk about an admission that we weren't good enough to play them straight up.....
What do I want from the next coach? Brutal, smothering defense, and a tough, physical offensive line. Style of offense? Meh. Don't care. Nothing matters without that tough offensive line. But with a good line, just about any offense will work.
Now, what does my nostalgic, 59 year old Husker heart want to see?
Ha. Wins. Just win baby, and bloody the other team's noses on your way to victory
I agree with this but we need something to help build this defense - That is why I am not in favor of a passing offense - we end up with too many 3 and outs and put too much pressure on the defense
Well, a good passing offense doesn't have a ton of three and outs. I would take a good passing offense over a poor to average running offense any day of the week. A bad running offense also has a lot of three and outs.
I repeat... given a solid and tough offensive line, just about any offense will work.
I repeat... given a solid and tough offensive line, just about any offense will work.
the offence sets the defense up and vice versa, if either are bad it drags the other down.
a good defence can get spent if the offense goes 3 and out, or worse turns the ball over with a short field for the opponent.
the flip side a defense if scored upon a lot can make a offense one dimensional in a hurry playing catch up
a good defence can get spent if the offense goes 3 and out, or worse turns the ball over with a short field for the opponent.
the flip side a defense if scored upon a lot can make a offense one dimensional in a hurry playing catch up
Shaw, Patterson or Kelly aren't going to NU and I'd rather take the risk with Frost.
You know for 100% fact those three aren't going to listen? Alright Nostradamus if you say so
I want Patterson too, but it's simply not going to happen.... they freakin put a statue of him up here (I live in Ft. Worth) and his wife is VERY involved in the community and is a Texan, nuff said
Okay and your reasoning for Kelly?
I know it not on the same level, but wasn't Harriman in our community daily and a face of our Basketball program. Patterson even says in the article to never say never
Regarding Patterson...
"It would have to be something you just couldn't say no to,"
http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...-horned-frogs-coach-gary-patterson-need-leave
Osborne paid Pelini $1.1M. I'm sure anything over that was too much for breadcrumb cheapass Tom Osborne.
90's!
Probably not a viable candidate for Moos then
I will post an obligatory "Scott Frost" though!
One thing to remember about Patterson is 2 out of last years he has had a losing record (4-8 and 6-7)
Some of you may recall that Patteson was rumored to replace Bill Snyder. His TCU team was off to the Rose Bowl in 2006. When it got out, he ended the negotiations which were close to finished between the school and his agent. So, Nebraska isn't the only one to have missed. State's then-A.D. couldn't keep his mouth shut. He then went on to hire Ron Prince.
Sometimes fans shouldn't get what they want, but rather what they need. The fans aren't always privy to what is going on behind the scenes. They don't know if maybe a coach is arrogant on a first meeting. They don't know if an agent is making unreasonable demands. They don't know many things that happen, and nor should they. This is why we have leaders who are paid a handsome salary to make these decisions for us.
Do the fans have a voice? Absolutely. Do they have final say? Nope and nor should they.
Everyone of you are conveniently forgetting that Bo was the trendy hire at the time because he would fix the defense and had been associated with a NC team as defensive coordinator at LSU. Just because it didn't work the way you wanted with Bo is no reason to lay it on TO. I call BS on all the second guessing after the fact.
