Not saying he should go but...

[Snickerdoodle70]

Tired of this garbage... show me where the standards have changed... pelini got 7 years, and you were fine with 6 of them, according to your words above!!! And you aren't even allowing Riley to have a 3rd without serious complaining... you've changed the standards, not those who desire to give Riley some time...

Not that it matters to you, but Pelini and Riley are apples and oranges. Riley was an experienced head coach when he took over. Pelini wasn't. Pelini took a 5-win team to a 9-win team in year 1. Riley took a 9-win team to a 5-win team in year 1. And I think the Pelini experiment lasted as long as it did because we almost always seemed right on the cusp.

And, not trying to speak for 1414, but all he/she is likely saying is: there aren't a whole lot of tangible signs of us trending upward. This includes recruiting, blowouts, penalties, wins, etc. - basically every metric one can use.

 

[CFBfan70]

Not that it matters to you, but Pelini and Riley are apples and oranges. Pelini took a 5-win team to a 9-win team in year 1. Riley took a 9-win team to a 5-win team.

And all 1414 is likely saying is: there aren't a whole lot of tangible signs of us trending upward. This includes recruiting, blowouts, penalties, etc - basically every metric one can use.

And of those two teams which would you say had more talent?

 

[dockentwo]

Just my observations.

Metrics - however Cavanaugh is choosing his fab five, something's wrong. In both year 1 and 2, players came off the bench and played better than their fab five counterpart. It makes me wonder if other players on the bench are more worthy of playing time than we are led to believe.

Fab five and the rest "can get better on the scout team" - the expectation level and commitment to being better can be different when comparing preparing for the next game versus just going to practice. It makes me wonder how much time & energy does Cavanaugh actually give to the non fab five. And please before someone feels compelled to argue, if you've been involved in athletics and you weren't one of the superstars, you'll know what I mean. It also makes me wonder how much 1st team practice the non fab five get.

The hardline approach - It's his way or the highway, rigid thinking. If he were the most celebrated and successful OL coach, it would be foolish to question changing what you're doing. But he's not, so it just looks like doing the same unsuccessful stuff over again and expecting something different.

The pipeline - we substituted players in order to make the whole better. And someone on this board actually went and watched old games, iirc it was 3rd series substitutions not just mop up duty in blowouts. If quality reps are only coming after an injury, there's no reason for me to expect a pipeline. But we don't have the depth? Refer back to players coming off the bench and outperforming the fab five.

Retaining Cav - I really don't care whether he's coaching the OLine or someone else is.

Excellent post. The O-line coaches own comments have cost him a lot of support imo. Saying a lot of players " don't get nuances ", so they don't see the field - then we hear they aren't getting reps in practice. He openly speaks out against rotation; while the d-line coach stresses it for player development ( and it was the N way when we became dominant - wore teams down ). .... About mid-season you could tell coaches were becoming aware of growing criticism, HCMR was making some practice adjustments and suddenly Cav made comments he understood rotation. A lot of experience amongst the coaches, and they all talk. I am glad they are having developmental practices and hopefully increased other efforts; recruits want to know they will be developed and that it can include game reps. ... The size and strength growth of a redshirt year, add to the potential benefits of a redshirt year. So there are so many valid comments in this thread. Most seem to agree on player development a priority. Its a thought a coach may not play his best players due to a hardening of his attitudes that gives me pause - that and we watch results. N should never have to watch an o-lineman get dominated; where they can't throw in a physical substitute.

 

[Snickerdoodle70]

And of those two teams which would you say had more talent?

Oh, are we going to go off stars now? Funny, thought coaches could "coach 'em up." And just as I said, all coaches are either positive or negative benefactors of the previous regime's recruiting success. And attrition occurs in all programs, some more than others.

NU recruiting (players that would/could or could've still been playing for Riley)

2010: 23
2011: 15
2012: 26
2013: 17
2014: 32
Avg class rank: 20.6
-------------------------------
2015: 28
2016: 26
2017:
Avg class rank: 27

I'm waiting to see how the 2017 class pans out, but if you think results like the 27th average class is going to get us to great or elite status, I have some nice beachfront property for sale in Ketchup Popsicle.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

Oh, are we going to go off stars now? Funny, thought coaches could "coach 'em up." And just as I said, all coaches are either positive or negative benefactors of the previous regime's recruiting success. And attrition occurs in all programs, some more than others.

NU recruiting (players that would/could or could've still been playing for Riley)

2010: 23
2011: 15
2012: 26
2013: 17
2014: 32
Avg class rank: 20.6
-------------------------------
2015: 28
2016: 26
2017:
Avg class rank: 27

I'm waiting to see how the 2017 class pans out, but if you think results like the 27th average class is going to get us to great or elite status, I have some nice beachfront property for sale in Ketchup Popsicle.

Typical diversion - the question asked was which team 2008 or 2015 had more talent?

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

Additionally, the psychology of the 2 teams was apples and oranges.

When you take over a team coming off a 5 win season, players are looking for change, the buy in is easier, Pope Tom personally selected the coach, fanbase was accepting of the hire because he was known.

The other guy took over a 9 win team, where players didn't necessarily want change buy in was slow, Pope Tom was nudged out the door, then his hand selected coach, AD, not a Nebraska guy, hired a not Nebraska guy.

The situations could not be more different.

And yes that all matters.

 

[inWV]

Typical diversion - the question asked was which team 2008 or 2015 had more talent?

And a less than honest approach in comparing recruiting classes. 2015 was a Bo/Riley hybrid class. The Bo/Cally class is listed by rivals as #30 and the next class also 30.

 

[Blackshirt30]

I do remember that scenario, and it seemed as if it was because Frost was struggling, not that it was a regular occurrence. To light a fire under him, so to speak.

Who came in regularly in the first half for Turner, Steve Taylor, Tommie (maybe Berringer did).

Anyone else remember this? I will shut up on this now... not trying to stir the pot, DP, just don't remember this at all happening before the 3rd or 4th quarter.

Osborne did not play back-up QB's in the first half very often. I just rewatched that 1997 UCF a few weeks back, and Frost wasn't even pulled because he was struggling. Osborne announced a few days before the game London was going to get reps on the 3rd and/or 4th series because he was a back-up with zero experience. Nebraska did not move the ball in the first 2 series of the game (no fault of Frost really). The 3rd series Nebraska went right down the field and Frost threw a TD pass. London came in on the 4th series and took the team down the field and ran for a TD. When Frost came back in the 5th series is when he got booed. But this was the only game I could remember Osborne doing this except for maybe a few games in 1984 with Turner/Sunberg and Brook/Tommie in 1995 it was 100% pre-determined because London had no playing experience.

 

[tro80]

It's really not rocket science. Bo inherited Suh, Steinkuhler, Crick, Allen, etc., and a quarterback in the program suited to Bo's offense, Riley didn't. Instead Riley got a bunch of juniors and seniors whose minds had been poisoned by 3 to 4 years of Bo, and no quarterback in the program capable of running his style of offense. I don't think that even this year's seniors ever truly bought in, which is why their leadership collapsed like a house of cards after the loss to WI when things went south a little bit against OSU, and why they never even showed up against Iowa. The next two years will be the true measure of whether Riley can move this program forward, IMO.

 

[jawbreakingsafetyplay]

Where are these magical substitutes on the OL that are suddenly going to block like All Americans? People are equating the symptom as the cause. Lack of depth on the OL is the problem that hurts worse with injuries. Then the coaches have to comb through campus to find a warm body to plug in there. Sorry if Steve the towelboy turned right guard isn't up to all conference after a week tutorial.

 

[PeliniTheCrutch]

It's really not rocket science. Bo inherited Suh, Steinkuhler, Crick, Allen, etc., and a quarterback in the program suited to Bo's offense, Riley didn't. Instead Riley got a bunch of juniors and seniors whose minds had been poisoned by 3 to 4 years of Bo, and no quarterback in the program capable of running his style of offense. I don't think that even this year's seniors ever truly bought in, which is why their leadership collapsed like a house of cards after the loss to WI when things went south a little bit against OSU, and why they never even showed up against Iowa. The next two years will be the true measure of whether Riley can move this program forward, IMO.

I'm still pissed at Callahan for getting blown out in the 2011 conference title game against Wisconsin!

 

[headcard]

If you don't see signs of us trending upward you aren't looking, or don't want to. First time in the Top 10 since 2010. Chance for best record since 2003. Chance for first Top 20 finish since 2009. Official visits from more Top 100 prospects than any team in the country.

 

[BroskiRed]

I'm still pissed at Callahan for getting blown out in the 2011 conference title game against Wisconsin!

I'm glad that you brought up our friend Bucky Badger. I'll drop some knowledge while we are talking o line and excuses but these are facts. Here is the starting line up for the Nebraska-Wisconsin game for Wisconsin's O line, still ranked 40th in the country in rushing without stud center Dan Voltz:
Note these are all composite recruiting rankings
Soph RT Maxwell 2 Star (.787) decommit from Northern Illinois to Wiscy
Soph RG Benzschawel 3 Star (.81) decommit from Syracuse to Wiscy
Soph C Connors Unrated, in state, walk-on (whoa, mind blown, right?)
Soph LG Deiter 3 Star (.83) fwiw Nebraska offered (Rick Kaz)
Junior LT Ramczyk Unranked Division III transfer from UW-Stephens Point, now he's 1st Team All BIG and 2nd Team All-America

So when do we stop with all of the excuses with o line play and injuries? Wisconsin doesn't. They went toe to toe with Ohio State with this group of UNDERCLASSMEN, played a much tougher schedule and got to the Championship game.

Look what I'm saying is that next year Cav's guys are going to be Sophomores and RS freshmen. In the next couple of years, we need to stop making excuses for o line play. The best teams don't make excuses, walk ons or otherwise these coaches identify the guys needed to roll out there against any competition and do what you do.
I am using Wisconsin as the benchmark in our division. Until Nebraska proves otherwise, it's worth looking at what they do

 

[Snickerdoodle70]

Typical diversion - the question asked was which team 2008 or 2015 had more talent?

Obviously 2008 had more talent. My only point: did those players develop significantly more between 2007 and 2008? Same question goes for years 2015 and 2016.

Let me guess: Riley developed the players between 2015-2016, and Pelini benefited from talent...

All I'm asking for a little bit of objectivity.

 

[jflores]

Not that it matters to you, but Pelini and Riley are apples and oranges. Riley was an experienced head coach when he took over. Pelini wasn't. Pelini took a 5-win team to a 9-win team in year 1. Riley took a 9-win team to a 5-win team in year 1. And I think the Pelini experiment lasted as long as it did because we almost always seemed right on the cusp.

And, not trying to speak for 1414, but all he/she is likely saying is: there aren't a whole lot of tangible signs of us trending upward. This includes recruiting, blowouts, penalties, wins, etc. - basically every metric one can use.

Transitions are almost always rough. A team that achieves like NU and wins 9 or so every year, isn't going to hire a new coach, install a new system and *build* upon that previous success level. Its going to be steps back before steps forward.

Look at UGA, they fired Richt who had them winning 9,10,11 games a year with Top 5 recruiting classes and they won 7 this year win Wunderkid Kirby Smart. Smart wasn't going to walk in the door and win 10,11, 12 games.

As for the on the field. We had two blowouts this year. One to OSU, who also blew out OU (who has a Top 5 kind of coach in like year 17 of his system and was in the playoffs last year). And one to Iowa, which was a MASH unit type of deal.

We've played Wisconsin, the west division gorilla for the last 10 years, down to the wire in the first two seasons under Riley and we arguably should have won both games. The point is, we are a lot closer than people think to appearing in a B1G title game. Clinging to the fact that we lost to Iowa by more than we should have limping into the finish line, is putting entirely too much weight on one data point.

 

[jflores]

I'm glad that you brought up our friend Bucky Badger. I'll drop some knowledge while we are talking o line and excuses but these are facts. Here is the starting line up for the Nebraska-Wisconsin game for Wisconsin's O line, still ranked 40th in the country in rushing without stud center Dan Voltz:
Note these are all composite recruiting rankings
Soph RT Maxwell 2 Star (.787) decommit from Northern Illinois to Wiscy
Soph RG Benzschawel 3 Star (.81) decommit from Syracuse to Wiscy
Soph C Connors Unrated, in state, walk-on (whoa, mind blown, right?)
Soph LG Deiter 3 Star (.83) fwiw Nebraska offered (Rick Kaz)
Junior LT Ramczyk Unranked Division III transfer from UW-Stephens Point, now he's 1st Team All BIG and 2nd Team All-America

So when do we stop with all of the excuses with o line play and injuries? Wisconsin doesn't. They went toe to toe with Ohio State with this group of UNDERCLASSMEN, played a much tougher schedule and got to the Championship game.

Look what I'm saying is that next year Cav's guys are going to be Sophomores and RS freshmen. In the next couple of years, we need to stop making excuses for o line play. The best teams don't make excuses, walk ons or otherwise these coaches identify the guys needed to roll out there against any competition and do what you do.
I am using Wisconsin as the benchmark in our division. Until Nebraska proves otherwise, it's worth looking at what they do

Yah see, even he agrees Wisky is the benchmark. We were 20 yards away from the title game.

 

[BroskiRed]

Yah see, even he agrees Wisky is the benchmark. We were 20 yards away from the title game.

Ironically, Nebraska is 60th in the country in rushing offense, 20 yards per game behind Wisconsin.

 

[jflores]

Who cares what Pelini did?

No one is going to fire Riley because Pelini anything. We either show good progress or we don't, SE isn't looking at 2008.

Nearly doubling your regular season win total, is clear progress pretty much independent of whether one uses our program or another program, as a benchmark. If the guy wins 5 games again next year, I'm pretty sure SE isn't going to start averaging out Callahan, Pelini, and Riley star ratings to see what's what.

 

[Snickerdoodle70]

Transitions are almost always rough. A team that achieves like NU and wins 9 or so every year, isn't going to hire a new coach, install a new system and *build* upon that previous success level. Its going to be steps back before steps forward.

Look at UGA, they fired Richt who had them winning 9,10,11 games a year with Top 5 recruiting classes and they won 7 this year win Wunderkid Kirby Smart. Smart wasn't going to walk in the door and win 10,11, 12 games.

As for the on the field. We had two blowouts this year. One to OSU, who also blew out OU (who has a Top 5 kind of coach in like year 17 of his system and was in the playoffs last year). And one to Iowa, which was a MASH unit type of deal.

We've played Wisconsin, the west division gorilla for the last 10 years, down to the wire in the first two seasons under Riley and we arguably should have won both games. The point is, we are a lot closer than people think to appearing in a B1G title game. Clinging to the fact that we lost to Iowa by more than we should have limping into the finish line, is putting entirely too much weight on one data point.

I agree. We have been playing teams closer, for the most part. I still question whether or defensive system is what will prove to be successful - and haven't a clue what our offense will look like next year.

I really don't understand why being skeptical immediately equals being non-supportive. Of course, if 463 didn't call virtually everyone out on this site, he wouldn't have a whole lot to do.

 

[jflores]

I agree. We have been playing teams closer, for the most part. I still question whether or defensive system is what will prove to be successful - and haven't a clue what our offense will look like next year.

I really don't understand why being skeptical immediately equals being non-supportive. Of course, if 463 didn't call virtually everyone out on this site, he wouldn't have a whole lot to do.

Well we are #23 in total defense, and #28 in scoring defense. After being #64 in total defense last year, and #75 in scoring defense last year. Our defensive system is Narduzzi's basically, you know and he never had a good D at MSU because it was schematically schiit.

http://www.cfbstats.com

But you know, cuz Iowa, and the metrics look bad, and all.

Edit: What's even more amazing, those metrics include the 60 and 40 point blow out scores.

 

[huskerfan1414]

Tired of this garbage... show me where the standards have changed... pelini got 7 years, and you were fine with 6 of them, according to your words above!!! And you aren't even allowing Riley to have a 3rd without serious complaining... you've changed the standards, not those who desire to give Riley some time...

Im not calling for rileys head. And i was not okay with six of pelinis years, which is why i did call for his head.
What i am wondering is why all the sudden there are more excuses than accountability for the same things...blowout losses, 2nd worst loss in husker history and a 30 pointer to 7-4 iowa, a six win season, and similar recruiting results (should they happen, theres still time and a win today will go a long way to top 15). Under pelini it was he needs to do better. Under riley its been nothing but excuses and anyone daring to blame the staff gets lynched.
What you need to understand is that im afraid we will eventually make the same mistakes we did with bo. I think you will agree he got too many years here, and it all started early with the "9 wins nothing else matters" crowd. He was better than callahan and that blinded people including me for awhile, riley is obviously much nicer and actually likes it here which can blind people.
Let me say one more time again as i also said in my other post so you dont have to think too hard--i am not calling for rileys head and he needs more time. However, he also deserves some of the blame for the bad stuff we are seeing and i dont think he has done a food enough job yet. We should expect better, as we used to. In the same token he deserves credit for the good stuff we are seeing. But the endless excuses and blame laid at the players, or bo, or other factors instead of holding this staff accountable just makes me shake my head.
If we win today, ill be singing rileys praises like a mad man, and i predicted a win partly based on his bowl record and what we did last year under riley in the bowl, you need to stop confusing critisism with wanting someone gone, its just reality.

 

[timnsun]

Im not calling for rileys head. And i was not okay with six of pelinis years, which is why i did call for his head.
What i am wondering is why all the sudden there are more excuses than accountability for the same things...blowout losses, 2nd worst loss in husker history and a 30 pointer to 7-4 iowa, a six win season, and similar recruiting results (should they happen, theres still time and a win today will go a long way to top 15). Under pelini it was he needs to do better. Under riley its been nothing but excuses and anyone daring to blame the staff gets lynched.
What you need to understand is that im afraid we will eventually make the same mistakes we did with bo. I think you will agree he got too many years here, and it all started early with the "9 wins nothing else matters" crowd. He was better than callahan and that blinded people including me for awhile, riley is obviously much nicer and actually likes it here which can blind people.
Let me say one more time again as i also said in my other post so you dont have to think too hard--i am not calling for rileys head and he needs more time. However, he also deserves some of the blame for the bad stuff we are seeing and i dont think he has done a food enough job yet. We should expect better, as we used to. In the same token he deserves credit for the good stuff we are seeing. But the endless excuses and blame laid at the players, or bo, or other factors instead of holding this staff accountable just makes me shake my head.
If we win today, ill be singing rileys praises like a mad man, and i predicted a win partly based on his bowl record and what we did last year under riley in the bowl, you need to stop confusing critisism with wanting someone gone, its just reality.

I never said you wanted someone gone... But yes, I did say you are complaining rather loudly.

Here's the thing... people have stated why there are, as you say, "excuses" for Riley, but you don't give a crap about these and evidently don't believe them to be real. What you call excuses, many call explanations. It's as simple as that.

The reason Riley has been shown more leniency is because he came into a toxic environment with holes at certain positions that we can't afford holes in. He is also a welcome representative of the university, he promotes Nebraska better than anybody ever has, and he deserves time to build this thing.

He won't get 7 years, in my opinion, if things don't change in 2 more years, he will be retiring, I am betting...

 

[huskerfan1414]

I never said you wanted someone gone... But yes, I did say you are complaining rather loudly.

Here's the thing... people have stated why there are, as you say, "excuses" for Riley, but you don't give a crap about these and evidently don't believe them to be real. What you call excuses, many call explanations. It's as simple as that.

The reason Riley has been shown more leniency is because he came into a toxic environment with holes at certain positions that we can't afford holes in. He is also a welcome representative of the university, he promotes Nebraska better than anybody ever has, and he deserves time to build this thing.

He won't get 7 years, in my opinion, if things don't change in 2 more years, he will be retiring, I am betting...

What do hou consider rather loud complaining?

 

[Snickerdoodle70]

What do hou consider rather loud complaining?

You seem really loud right now. When I read your posts, I audibly scream them.

 

[timnsun]

What do hou consider rather loud complaining?

Rather loud complaining is not recognizing what he came into and expecting unrealistic results too soon, which many have been doing from day one.

 

[Snickerdoodle70]

Rather loud complaining is not recognizing what he came into and expecting unrealistic results too soon, which many have been doing from day one.

Still not understanding how "loud" figures into the equation. Trust me, for all the skeptics on this board, our voices are usually snuffed out rather quickly.

 

[oldjar07]

Going back to the O-line conversation, I've never seen a worse snapping center than Utter. Every snap was barely within arm's reach. Just finding a guy who could snap accurately would be a significant improvement at the Center position. I didn't see much after the snap to indicate that someone else would have done just as well. With as much hype as the freshman O-line are getting, I don't see how 1 of them wouldn't have made this team better this year.

 

[huskerfan1414]

Rather loud complaining is not recognizing what he came into and expecting unrealistic results too soon, which many have been doing from day one.

Was a better season than 5-7 unrealistic expectations? Was beating purdue and illinois unrealistic expectations? Was not having the 2nd worst loss in history and losing to iowa by thirty unrealistic expectations? If we do end up with a recruiting class that ends up in pelinis ball park, would being unsatisfied with that be unrealistic? Jeeze, if those are unrealistic expectations, then im not sure we have any expectations other than smile and dont piss your pants. This isnt big ten championships we are talking about.

 

[Snickerdoodle70]

Was a better season than 5-7 unrealistic expectations? Was beating purdue and illinois unrealistic expectations? Was not having the 2nd worst loss in history and losing to iowa by thirty unrealistic expectations? If we do end up with a recruiting class that ends up in pelinis ball park, would being unsatisfied with that be unrealistic? Jeeze, if those are unrealistic expectations, then im not sure we have any expectations other than smile and dont piss your pants. This isnt big ten championships we are talking about.

I honestly can't believe Riley & Co. managed 9 wins together this year. Talk about hapless...

 

[Snickerdoodle70]

Jeeze, if those are unrealistic expectations, then im not sure we have any expectations other than smile and dont piss your pants.

Didn't catch this line the first go round - nice work, sir.

 

[timnsun]

Listen, I get that there's a lot of work to do... both with the coaches and the players.

My whole beef is that the coaches were still playing with primarily Pelini's recruits and should be better next year in terms of players who understand the system and we're recruited for it. To me, next year is the year when the criticism that may come has the most merit.

Go ahead and criticize all you want this year... I don't agree with a lot of it yet, but next year to me is when these coaches become fair game.

I know, the coaches still have to coach, which leaves them open to criticism, I'm just not ready to lay it all at their feet yet. Maybe I'm wrong... it was certainly discouraging yesterday seeing our Oline get dominated much of the game. But I wasn't as bothered by our defensive performance considering how good Tennessee's offense has been this year.

 

[Snickerdoodle70]

My whole beef is that the coaches were still playing with primarily Pelini's recruits and should be better next year in terms of players who understand the system

Riley should be grateful he had as much talent as he did when he came in. He certainly isn't exceeding expectations as far recruiting/bring in new talent goes.

If I am doing this right and in line with the accepted board thinkkng, the only reason Riley ever won 10 games was because of Jerry Pettibone's recruiting.

 

[PeliniTheCrutch]

I'm still pissed at Tom Osborne for getting his ass handed to him by Colorado in 2001!

 

[timnsun]

Riley should be grateful he had as much talent as he did when he came in. He certainly isn't exceeding expectations as far recruiting/bring in new talent goes.

If I am doing this right and in line with the accepted board thinkkng, the only reason Riley ever won 10 games was because of Jerry Pettibone's recruiting.

Could you elaborate the talent? Especially along the lines, which is where everyone can agree we need an upgrade of talent? I know we had Westerkamp and TA, but it's posts like yours that really irk me when you look at the lack of talent (or depth) on the lines.

I can take more criticism to the coaches for not doing something in the jucos to try to address it, but please show me the talent on the lines that you are speaking of.

I'm inclined to say that the coaches put together good enough plans to win 9 games this year, which is coaching, not that it was the talent that got them there.

I will wait to hear about the talent in the trenches that paved the way for these 9 victories.

 

[Blackshirt30]

I honestly can't believe Riley & Co. managed to shit 9 wins together this year. Talk about hapless...

With the schedule we played, I can.

 

[spinner4]

https://www.google.com/amp/journals...ec725a06-1e26-11e6-bbab-fb792ec9d57b.amp.html

Can't compare what TO did to what Riley is doing so can't compare Tenopir with Cav

1. That was 20 years ago. The game has changed

2. We ran a completely different offense, so even if that worked for Tenopir's O-line doesn't mean it works for a offense that throws the ball a hell of a lot more.

3. Tenopir had the luxury of having one of the best (if not the best) O-lines in college football. If Cav had one of the best O-lines in college football than I don't think any of us would argue with his choice but he doesn't.

4. It's completely false that MT always ran with only 5. Even on those great 94-95 teams. Remember a fella named Ott? He didn't play in that orange bowl because he was out for the game. I believe that was the only time they ran only 5. We also had a nice back-up center who could also swing out to guard on those teams. He played more than mop up duty. Name escapes me but go back and watch old games. Look at the jersey numbers. You'll see it. HTO last year challenged me on it and I did the research and proved its true.

5. I knew Melt Tenopir sir, and coach Cav is no Melt Tenopir

 

[huskerfan1414]

Listen, I get that there's a lot of work to do... both with the coaches and the players.

My whole beef is that the coaches were still playing with primarily Pelini's recruits and should be better next year in terms of players who understand the system and we're recruited for it. To me, next year is the year when the criticism that may come has the most merit.

Go ahead and criticize all you want this year... I don't agree with a lot of it yet, but next year to me is when these coaches become fair game.

I know, the coaches still have to coach, which leaves them open to criticism, I'm just not ready to lay it all at their feet yet. Maybe I'm wrong... it was certainly discouraging yesterday seeing our Oline get dominated much of the game. But I wasn't as bothered by our defensive performance considering how good Tennessee's offense has been this year.

Just tell me whether or not what i posted above are unrealistic expectations. That will tell us a lot about you.
And we arent lYing it all on them. Im disappointed we didnt win the BIG this year, but that was entirely unrealistic and not the fault of the coaches. See?

 

[Snickerdoodle70]

Could you elaborate the talent? Especially along the lines, which is where everyone can agree we need an upgrade of talent? I know we had Westerkamp and TA, but it's posts like yours that really irk me when you look at the lack of talent (or depth) on the lines.

I can take more criticism to the coaches for not doing something in the jucos to try to address it, but please show me the talent on the lines that you are speaking of.

I'm inclined to say that the coaches put together good enough plans to win 9 games this year, which is coaching, not that it was the talent that got them there.

I will wait to hear about the talent in the trenches that paved the way for these 9 victories.

I really do not care if "post like" mine irk you. Facts are facts. Stats are stats.

Regarding Oline talent, whose responsibility is that? Yours? Mine? No, we don't make millions per year with the sole -SOLE- responsibility of making the team better.

You and your buds can kick back, relax, and pretend you somehow have a say, or that our opinions (that's what they are [and I even included brackets for the slow-learned]) matter. But I have bad news for you: your opinions, theories, etc., don't matter to those in charge. Ultimately, it's up to Riley and staff. Not you, not me, not anyone on this board.

Playing the blame game is for losers. And all I see on this board anymore is blame and excuse-making for shitshows.

 

[timnsun]

Just tell me whether or not what i posted above are unrealistic expectations. That will tell us a lot about you.
And we arent lYing it all on them. Im disappointed we didnt win the BIG this year, but that was entirely unrealistic and not the fault of the coaches. See?

No, what you posted above was not unrealistic. Having said that, I don't recall ever seeing you post what your expectations were beforehand, leaving me and others to guess, although I could be wrong. Either way, if I read into your posts stuff you didn't intend, my apologies.

 

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I really do not care if "post like" mine irk you. Facts are facts. Stats are stats.

Regarding Oline talent, whose responsibility is that? Yours? Mine? No, we don't make millions per year with the sole -SOLE- responsibility of making the team better.

You and your buds can kick back, relax, and pretend you somehow have a say, or that our opinions (that's what they are [and I even included brackets for the slow-learned]) matter. But I have bad news for you: your opinions, theories, etc., don't matter to those in charge. Ultimately, it's up to Riley and staff. Not you, not me, not anyone on this board.

Playing the blame game is for losers. And all I see on this board anymore is blame and excuse-making for shitshows.

What you call playing the blame game I call giving time. To each his own. I won't convince you otherwise, and you won't convince me otherwise.

Like I said, next year will be the year, in my opinion, these coaches will be judged more accurately for what they put on the field.

And by the way, I've got bad news for you too. Your opinions, theories, etc., don't matter to those in charge. Ultimately, it's up to Riley and staff (ultimately has a future ring to it, as in, not now, but ultimately, they will be judged). Not you, not me, not anyone on this board.

So stop saying with certainty that these coaches are .500 coaches and will always be .500 coaches until they get their players in. You don't know that they will remain .500 coaches for life anymore than I know they will turn it around. None of us has that information, and to suggest otherwise is plain stupid. All I am saying is they deserve time to show us, and 2 years (where improvement can be seen if one is objective... and also work needs to be done if one is objective) is not enough time. Next year we will see a team filled with players Riley recruited. He will be judged by all (or at least most) at that time.