Just wanted to point out that Suh was not a Pelini recruit, he was a Callahan recruit.
Very aware. I guess I took the comment as Pelini had more talent to work with than what Nebraska has now. Pelini had Suh.
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Just wanted to point out that Suh was not a Pelini recruit, he was a Callahan recruit.
I don't what's more surprising the fact that Rittenberg said this or the fact that we still have a small contingent of BP loyalists on the board.
What if we told you, Frost sounded like a Pelini loyalist when Frost got hired here?
I know what you're referring to. SF is friends with Bo and a former player of his, but I would hardly call him a Pelini loyalist. He turned down a job offer from BP to stay with Chip at Oregon.What if we told you, Frost sounded like a Pelini loyalist when Frost got hired here?
There's just as much fault for Riley not hitting the juco's when he knew we were looking at having true freshman or walk-ons as starters. Pelini always relied on recruiting juco players to fill in the gaps.Other than having four qbs, the most important position.
We haven't seen Green or Darrion play yet.
Our D backfield is very good.
Our depth on the D line blows away that line.
Our depth at wide out isn't comparable. Todays much better.
RB, who's to say, too young, and we havnt seen Mills play.
Wheres the equivalent of Wandale?
I cant give Bo one prop here, not one.
We had to start a true frosh lb, because there weren't any, for two years, we had walkons at D end, after Ameer,we had Jano, who Bo used in 4 plays?
Enough paint has already come off, I'll stop here.
Maybe Riley was just a bad coachThere's just as much fault for Riley not hitting the juco's when he knew we were looking at having true freshman or walk-ons as starters. Pelini always relied on recruiting juco players to fill in the gaps.
I think Riley's problem was always more development than talent. Not only did a lot of players not get any better, but some players actually got worse every year as they went through the program.
I do agree with you that this year's players can end up being just as good, if not better than 2014. Anyway it's time to stop blaming past coaches for depth issues, it's year 2 and this is Frost's team now.
Maybe...?Maybe Riley was just a bad coach
Glad you brought up jucos, as they were forbidden, and while it was MR call, he let someone else make that call, either way, it was MR fault.There's just as much fault for Riley not hitting the juco's when he knew we were looking at having true freshman or walk-ons as starters. Pelini always relied on recruiting juco players to fill in the gaps.
I think Riley's problem was always more development than talent. Not only did a lot of players not get any better, but some players actually got worse every year as they went through the program.
I do agree with you that this year's players can end up being just as good, if not better than 2014. Anyway it's time to stop blaming past coaches for depth issues, it's year 2 and this is Frost's team now.
Exactly. Of course Frost is a better coach, that develops players and puts them in a position to succeed. But for the most part, Pelini had more talent to work with than Frost has had, so far.Very aware. I guess I took the comment as Pelini had more talent to work with than what Nebraska has now. Pelini had Suh.
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There's just as much fault for Riley not hitting the juco's when he knew we were looking at having true freshman or walk-ons as starters. Pelini always relied on recruiting juco players to fill in the gaps.
I think Riley's problem was always more development than talent. Not only did a lot of players not get any better, but some players actually got worse every year as they went through the program.
I do agree with you that this year's players can end up being just as good, if not better than 2014. Anyway it's time to stop blaming past coaches for depth issues, it's year 2 and this is Frost's team now.
Wait are people seriously trying to say this isn't true?
Other than QB, how many positions right now has a definitively better starter than even Pelini's last team in 2014?
RB - there is potential here in 2019 but better than Ameer? Not likely. Better than Newby, Cross and Janovich? We'll see.
TE - Cethan Carter is a better athlete than any TE on our roster. God he needed a good coach.
WR - Again potential is here but Spielman is our top WR Warner is #2 and the rest is unproven. 2014 has Kenny Bell, Jordan Westerkamp and Jamal Turner.
OL - Brendan Jaimes vs Alex Lewis is an interesting one but while there is potential in Farinok, Jurgens and Benhart there was a ton of potential in Jerald Foster, Tanner Farmer and Nick Gates too. Push.. maybe?
DL - This may be the best position group we have in 2019... and yet 2014 destoys it. Randy Gregory Malik Collins Vincent Valentine Mick Stoltenberg Peyton Newell etc. Take away injuries and the awfulness that was Hank Hughes coaching that plagued those that stayed, 2014 we had almost a complete NFL quality 2 deep.
LB - this is tougher because Michael Rose-Ivey only played 6 games in 2014 and they had some depth with Bando, Roach Gifford Santos and Anderson..but Mo Barry is a dude and Honas, Heinrich, Domann, Miller, Ferguson and Davis are likely better. 2019 wins a 2nd position group!
DB - Bo's worst secondary... still had Nate Gerry, Chris Jones Josh Kalu and Corey Cooper. 2019's secondary needs to prove it.
K - Drew Brown and Sam Foltz. Nuff said.
Frost is building the roster back up but if you think we have a better overall roster now than we had before Mike Riley you are seriously fooling yourself. And this was just Pelini's last and likely least talented team.
I would not say that Frost is "friends" with Pelini. Frost is cordial to just about everybody and Pelini is a coaching contemporary. That's all. To call them freinds is a wild stretch. I don't think Pelini was on Frost's wedding guest list.I know what you're referring to. SF is friends with Bo and a former player of his, but I would hardly call him a Pelini loyalist. He turned down a job offer from BP to stay with Chip at Oregon.
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To the contrary, Bo owes the fan base of NU an apology. IF I had pulled the crap he pulled, I would never ever be able to forgive myself for acting that way. All it would take for me to get over it would be a sincere apology to the people of Nebraska for the things he said and did. A grown up would do that. We made him a very wealthy man and he crapped all over us. At least Riley thanked us on the way out the door and acknowledged that he didn't get the job done.Bo was a good coach.. I thought the fans deserved some of his angst too.
He did get some good talent from Clownahan, but Bo was a terrible recruiter. After the recruiting dipped, he found it harder and harder to make the 9 wins, but he still did it.I have no animosity for Bo. He doesn't owe anyone anything here.
Now, Riley & Eichorst.. those guys really do owe the fans.. I am still upset at what those guys did to this place. I felt like we were repeatedly raped as a program, all the while Riley was smoothing everything over, talking nice, and handing out cupcakes.
I'll take the honest guy any day over what happened here under smiling Mike.
But therein is but one of Bo's flaws, inept, incapable of taking the stage and being true to himself.To the contrary, Bo owes the fan base of NU an apology. IF I had pulled the crap he pulled, I would never ever be able to forgive myself for acting that way. All it would take for me to get over it would be a sincere apology to the people of Nebraska for the things he said and did. A grown up would do that. We made him a very wealthy man and he crapped all over us. At least Riley thanked us on the way out the door and acknowledged that he didn't get the job done.
True to a point, but what happens when purdue gets better, nw gets better, minny is comingback to those beat Bo days, iowa is better than it was?Take a look at the 2013 and 2014 schedules. Bo could have wrung a tenth win out of both of them with the talent he had at his disposal.
2013 - losing a 3 year starter to injury early in the season and also having you RS freshman backup battle injury.
2014 - Bo's defense couldn't defend a couple of rather straightforward running plays against MN. Dude would have coached at least another year had he won that game and then also won Iowa.
2015 - take a look at that schedule and tell me that Bo would have have won fewer than 9 games with the talent he had playing in the same offensive and defensive systems. In reality, NU probably plays for the B1G title if Bo is still coaching.
Not a Bo-bot and in reality, cashiering Bo and experiencing Riley-fail led to Frost coming back to Lincoln. Even though Bo was a mediocre recruiter, he leveraged the talent at his disposal to 9 wins year after year.
My argument is that we will have a better idea as to how the talent Frost has at his disposal this year compares to that of Pelini teams circa 2013 and 2014 and that Bo had enough talent to win more games that he did in those years. Bo, his staff and his approach to defense in the B1G hurt the win total more than the players he had.True to a point, but what happens when purdue gets better, nw gets better, minny is comingback to those beat Bo days, iowa is better than it was?
Would Bo have gotten better? Never showed he could, and imo, it might have gotten very ugly here with him still at the helm.
MR and his wimpish staff was a blessing.
I wish that the Huskers had either hired Frost 3 years earlier, or kept Bo for 3 more years. Anything to ERASE the memory of the WORST coach in Husker history...……...MIKE SMILEY. Insanely bad.
Other than having four qbs, the most important position.
We haven't seen Green or Darrion play yet.
Our D backfield is very good.
Our depth on the D line blows away that line.
Our depth at wide out isn't comparable. Todays much better.
RB, who's to say, too young, and we havnt seen Mills play.
Wheres the equivalent of Wandale?
I cant give Bo one prop here, not one.
We had to start a true frosh lb, because there weren't any, for two years, we had walkons at D end, after Ameer,we had Jano, who Bo used in 4 plays?
Enough paint has already come off, I'll stop here.
I got it, and fully agree.My argument is that we will have a better idea as to how the talent Frost has at his disposal this year compares to that of Pelini teams circa 2013 and 2014 and that Bo had enough talent to win more games that he did in those years. Bo, his staff and his approach to defense in the B1G hurt the win total more than the players he had.
Frost's players now have multiple strength and conditioning cycles and are in Year 2 of the same offensive and defensive systems. The players and staff seem pretty upbeat, which is not surprising. A number of young kids look to be valuable contributors and the staff added a couple of quality 5th year transfer guys. Darrion was chosen as a captain. The schedule is much more favorable than last year. I am looking forward to the season.
Well, is purdue today what it was against Bo?If you really believe our talent and depth is that much better now than it was under Pelini, I am going to assume anything less than 10 wins would be an absolute disaster. You can't have it both ways.
Just like I owe a munch of the tools on this board an apology for being a dick. Not going to happenTo the contrary, Bo owes the fan base of NU an apology. IF I had pulled the crap he pulled, I would never ever be able to forgive myself for acting that way. All it would take for me to get over it would be a sincere apology to the people of Nebraska for the things he said and did. A grown up would do that. We made him a very wealthy man and he crapped all over us. At least Riley thanked us on the way out the door and acknowledged that he didn't get the job done.
Rittenberg is not a knowledgeable writer/commentator. Just because he watches college football, doesn't mean he knows jack squat. Pelini inherited tremendous talent from Callahan and he did land some very talented defenders (espeically jucos). The problem is that he didn't recruit remotely ENOUGH talent at all positions to hang with the likes of Wisconsin. I'm not buying that we don't have better talent in this second year of Frost than we had during Bo's last season. Look at the lack of draft picks from Bo's last couple of classes. There's yer sign.
...if Clownahan really had such outrageously great talent how come he lost to almost everybody?
Was that supposed to be a trick question or something?Because he was a shitty college football coach.
And it was the same two plays over and over and over and over....I wasted a bunch of time in a response to the Blackshirt post and then deleted it. Not just apples to apples problems, but the comparing was pretty sloppy. Foster, Farmer, Mick and Newell were not contributors in 2014. Depth charts are available from the 2014 season, so one could do an apples to predicted apples comparison, not just pull names out one's rectum.
The key thing is the initial concession of "other than QB". Lots of respect for TA as a warrior, but there were throws that he simply could not make. AMart matches and probably exceeds TA in athleticism and has had the benefit of an actual QB coach.
In year 7 of Pelini, a supposed guru of the D, and with some great Dline talent and with experienced LBs, there were run plays that opponents used that were like kryptonite to NU's run defense. I never understood that.
Looks like me during trafficOh, I just want to leave this right here...
I knew it wasn't apples to apples going in.. I started with doing 2018 and then did it this way because I was actually hoping it would make it closer. Without Daniels, Green, Noa, Jurgens, Honas and a top 15 class with that comes with using 2019 it was looking like a joke.
Not defending Riley because he sucked and never should have been hired for a job like this but a lot of the reason he didn't hit the juco market and our strength and conditioning was as anemic as it was, was because of SE's athletic department policies.There's just as much fault for Riley not hitting the juco's when he knew we were looking at having true freshman or walk-ons as starters. Pelini always relied on recruiting juco players to fill in the gaps.
I think Riley's problem was always more development than talent. Not only did a lot of players not get any better, but some players actually got worse every year as they went through the program.
I do agree with you that this year's players can end up being just as good, if not better than 2014. Anyway it's time to stop blaming past coaches for depth issues, it's year 2 and this is Frost's team now.
But I blame MR for not telling SE to figure out his lane.Not defending Riley because he sucked and never should have been hired for a job like this but a lot of the reason he didn't hit the juco market and our strength and conditioning was as anemic as it was, was because of SE's athletic department policies.
newby cross and janovich?? get this take and throw it out with the trash
carter just looked good in his uniform, didn't perform at all
bell, westerkamp were good players. JD is absolutely on their level today.
'nuff said' with kickers?? lol
2019 team would be favored in a game against any of bo's teams save maybe '09. maybe.
newby cross and janovich?? get this take and throw it out with the trash
carter just looked good in his uniform, didn't perform at all
bell, westerkamp were good players. JD is absolutely on their level today.
'nuff said' with kickers?? lol
2019 team would be favored in a game against any of bo's teams save maybe '09. maybe.
One of these teams is still playing football. I have to see them actually play football.
Now, let's compare coaching staffs, schemes, continuity, culture and Husker Power.