He has also recruited better, but if you can't win with better recruits it doesn't matter. So you are correct, not arguing with you. We also need to give him that 6th year and see what he does with all that talent seasoned
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I know this is hypothetical, but if Collier or Sadler had losing records in 4 of their first 5 seasons, neither would have gotten a 6th. Hell Sadler had a winning record in 3 of his first 4 seasons and people wanted him gone after that piss poor 4th season.
I'll point out for Miles sake, those other two didn't have play in the B1G conference which is one of the toughest Basketball conference's year in and year out....in fact The B1G is more known for it's basketball conference than football conference.
Youth. Lots and lots of youth. Multi-minutes with 2 sophomores and 3 freshmen on the floor.
Cursed, I tell you. Cursed.
SOS, plz. Miles schedules >>>>>>>>>>>> than the others.
NU schedule third toughest in the nation so far this year.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology/sos
Not the point. You win or you lose. Sadler had a year in the Big Ten and was 4-14. Just a game behind 2 of Miles' 4 seasons. You can come up with all the excuses you want. He has better talent, more transfers out, more transfers in, and similar results as the two that preceded him.
The fact remains after 6 years the new league excuse goes away. Playing in the Big Ten should be a selling point not an excuse. Miles' 4th season in the league was only 2 games better than the first. He is going to have to go 5-4 to reach .500 in both league play and overall. That means winning at Iowa, at Ohio St, at Michigan St, at Minnesota or against Wisconsin at home in addition to winning all remaining home games against Michigan St, Penn St, Illinois, and Michigan.
There is no consistency in his coaching. Zero. One 5 game winning streak in 4 2/3 seasons. Win one lose one, win two lose 3, win 3 lose 2,
But wait until this Soph class are seniors and the transfers get here. In 2 years it will be special. Meh not buying it.
No way he isn't back next year with the big guy transfer coming in, he and Jody will make a great pair
Of course, you're correct. Nebraska is the only team in the conference with a losing record. However, if Nebraska had played Rutgers' schedule, for example, we're likely looking at a 14-7 record. Would you be good with that? Same team, same talent, same level of play — better record.
I'm glad you're holding the team to high standards, Tuco, but let's be clear about how strength of schedule plays into overall record. Your notes about the conference record are spot on.
Further, both Sadler and Collier were here six years. If Miles finishes this season with six or fewer conference wins, and next season they finish with seven or fewer, then his time may have run out. Are you willing to concede a sixth year?
I'm glad you're holding the team to high standards, Tuco, but let's be clear about how strength of schedule plays into overall record. Your notes about the conference record are spot on.
Further, both Sadler and Collier were here six years. If Miles finishes this season with six or fewer conference wins, and next season they finish with seven or fewer, then his time may have run out. Are you willing to concede a sixth year?
You have to have better talent in the Big 10 than the Big 12 had.
He just recruited better talent and they are Sophomores and Freshman and contributing this year can't you see that, if it wasn't for Watson falling down in the closing second against tOSU and Webbster losing the game because of mishandling of the time clock and dribbling off his foot, they would be 6-3 instead of 4-5 and tied with Purdue for 3rd place.
This team is better than it has been and this time of year since Pettiway and Shields lead us to the tournament.
They played the toughest schedule in the conference.. Now what's your answer.
I think Tuco's comparison is valid and I don't feel it would be "unfair" to show Miles the door after this season. But recapping the exasperating recent history of NU basketball also points out exactly why I would prefer to give him another year. If Miles is fired, we're just going to get treated to the next up-and-comer who did okay at a mid-major and even won a game or two in the NCAA tournament. Since we already have one of those guys and he seems to have gained at least some momentum on the recruiting front, let's stay the course.
I know that's not exactly a ringing endorsement, but I like the chances of Miles making progress better than starting over yet again. And while it's fun to fantasize about Hoiberg or Altman or whoever, I don't see a big splash hire coming anytime soon.
I know that's not exactly a ringing endorsement, but I like the chances of Miles making progress better than starting over yet again. And while it's fun to fantasize about Hoiberg or Altman or whoever, I don't see a big splash hire coming anytime soon.
Especially if Eichorst is going to be making the next Men's Head Coach Basketball decision basing on the fact of his last hire in Basketball at Nebraska.
Further, a coaching change before next year risks blowing up what should be Nebraska's most talented roster in nearly 20 years. We lose Webster, but gain Palmer, Akenton, Copeland and a healthy Gill.
The sixth year broke both Sadler and Collier. If this squad struggles next year to make postseason, then you have cause. Until then, cheer like hell. You never know what might happen. In 2013-2014, Nebraska was 3-6 in conference before finishing on an 8-1 run. Let it play out.
The sixth year broke both Sadler and Collier. If this squad struggles next year to make postseason, then you have cause. Until then, cheer like hell. You never know what might happen. In 2013-2014, Nebraska was 3-6 in conference before finishing on an 8-1 run. Let it play out.
It's cool, I can sort of understand where the optimism comes from. However the two main questions come to mind
1- why is this team so young after 4 seasons?
2 - why do so many players leave the program? 14 players, have left the program with eligibility remaining. Some were disciplinary, some walk ons etc.
2b) why the reliance on the transfer player? I think I counted 8 transfers from JUCO or other D1 schools. All but 1 after year 2 (Leslie Smith).
I know the record isn't great and I have been critical of Miles in the past, especially after Creighton, but I'm just going on gut feel and this team feels like it is going in the right direction. The games are fun. I see talent on the floor. There is energy and excitement in the arena. Yes there are still some frustrating minutes but fewer of them. Also I haven't had that hopeless feeling that I had during the Collier, Sadler and some other Miles years. Morrow being out has hurt us a lot, but I see steady improvement from Jordy and I'm excited to have a big with potential. We actually have more than 1 or 2 people on the floor that can score which makes it a lot more fun to watch. I'm not in favor of starting over with another coach at this point. I'd like to see where Miles can take this talent.
Sadler's and Collier's schedules in the non-conference were putrid. There is no comparison it's absolutely apples and oranges.
Wait a minute. The sixth year didn't break Collier, that was arguably his best season and his third non-losing season in a row. He left on his own.
As far as Sadler goes, why doesn't the Big Ten excuse work for him? He had to play the Big Ten schedule with a Big 12 roster that first year too. If it's valid for Miles it has to be valid for Doc.
Bingo...
1- Kentucky is young every single year... Of course they are a blue blood in college basketball.
2b- Iowa state lives of transfers and they have been sucsseful for many of years lately.
What I see from most of the posts is
Fear of change over genuine optimism.
gun shy fans afraid the administration will make a mistake over genuine optimism.
Fear of change over genuine optimism.
gun shy fans afraid the administration will make a mistake over genuine optimism.
1- Kentucky players leave for the NBA
2b - so Iowa St success was because of transfers and not because Hoiberg is a fantastic coach? Cmon.
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We shall see what happens.
And I am a little gun shy, especially compared to a guy named Tuco, eh?
Peace.
And I am a little gun shy, especially compared to a guy named Tuco, eh?
Peace.
So what, beat teams like Gardner-Webb and Rutgers and wins over Maryland and Purdue may mean something.
Not fear of change, really, as much as just being worn down from the steady parade of guys who were surely going to put NU basketball on the map.
As far as genuine optimism is concerned, that's been in short supply since Jerry Fort graduated in '76.
Tuco, I'm interested for clarity sake...your two kids that played college sorts...what sport(s) was it? Not that it matters...just interested...
Gardner Webb I'll agree. My God Miles can't handle the ball for Webbster the last 2 most important positions left in the final 2 minutes of the game... Tai lost that game no question.
I shared that they played, as a parent, as a way to discuss the where kids make mistakes in deciding where to go to school and how coaches change from salesmen and buddies to disciplinarians and coaches.
Not really interested in bringing them into a discussion about Tim Miles and Nebraska basketball. Rest assured they didn't play for him.
If there was a way to share that info over a PM I would be ok. But I see no need to bring them into this discussion. I hope you understand.
They had their moments, but never really got the program over the hump. Getting bounced by #14 seed Xavier in the first round still stings.
And don't call me Shirley.
Shouldn't have been close enough to have it come down to one possession with a team thats best win, other than Nebraska, is Drexel or Niagra.
1. Because when Miles took over he needed immediate changes, and so the majority of his teams were transfers to compete early on. Miles 1st true class is the class with Jacobson, Morrow, Watson and McVeigh.
Miles had to build an identity with the transfers of Pitchford and Petteway without them we don't sign the 2015 class. The 2013 and 2014 class were rough because Nebraska hadn't shown their identity yet. 2015-Now is what we are going to see out of Miles in the future.
2. I personally think other than White III, Miles was pretty blunt with players. As far as the coaches go, I'm not sure why. I honestly think Miles coaching staff right now is really good so I really don't have complaints in that department
2b. Other than the One and done schools everyone takes transfers to fill holes. Look at Creighton, where would the be without Mo Watson and Foster?
Also, even though Nebraska still has to get an identity, they have a big man for once, and sre building solid depth.
Also, other than maybe the year with Joe McCray, all of those nebraska basketball teams under Collier and Sadler sucked to watch. Maric carried Nebraska many years.
Iowa State worked there way into a powerful team by being transfer U.
Tell that to league leading Wisconsin last Saturday before they finally separated themselves in Overtime.
SOS does not mean much if you can't position yourself for a NCAA bid. We would be right in the discussion had we not dropped the games we should have won like GW, Rutgers, Ohio State.
Tell that to league leading Wisconsin last Saturday before they finally separated themselves in Overtime.
You win Rutgers is awesome and Miles is going to lead Nebraska to great things.
Yeah, the schedule was a conundrum this year. I think Miles/NU was probably looking at 8-4 in the non-conference, going 2-1 in SoCal with losses to Creighton, Kansas and Clemson the others. We did lose those, but we also lost to GW,. In addition, beating Dayton may have actually led to the 6-6 non-conference mark because we ended up in the same bracket as UCLA and Virginia Tech.
So if Miles is thinking 8-4 in non-conference with a reasonably difficult schedule (it got much more difficult with the victory over Dayton) and nine wins in the conference finally gets this team back to the post-season, albeit the NIT.
But, alas, Gardner Webb and the last-second losses at Clemson, vs. Ohio State and at Rutgers have put this team behind the 8-ball, no doubt about it.
I wonder if the NIT would be impressed with an 8-10 conference record and 10-2 in the non-conference had we played a Rutgers- or Sadler-type slate. Would be interesting.
So if Miles is thinking 8-4 in non-conference with a reasonably difficult schedule (it got much more difficult with the victory over Dayton) and nine wins in the conference finally gets this team back to the post-season, albeit the NIT.
But, alas, Gardner Webb and the last-second losses at Clemson, vs. Ohio State and at Rutgers have put this team behind the 8-ball, no doubt about it.
I wonder if the NIT would be impressed with an 8-10 conference record and 10-2 in the non-conference had we played a Rutgers- or Sadler-type slate. Would be interesting.
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