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This is a good point. Tommy has played well but it hasn't been against the two P5 teams.
I can understand the Miami loss. It was the first road trip, the team was flat at the start of the game and Miami has some talent even though they are just an average team. The BYU and Illinois games are all on the coaches. No one rushing the qb and having 7 players behind the receiver in the end zone was really bad coaching. That wraps up the BYU debacle Not running the ball throughout the Illinois game more often and then not making it clear to Tommy to run out the clock at the end of the game are inexcusable mistakes. Good coaches set up their players to win not to fail like Mike and Company have done so far.
Everyone wants to talk about Mike's recruiting ability. If he is such a great recruiter why does Oregon State have the youngest roster in the Pac 12?
Everyone wants to talk about Mike's recruiting ability. If he is such a great recruiter why does Oregon State have the youngest roster in the Pac 12?
Okay, I did...not sure what you want me to watch. Game winning field goal by Miami?
Its true, if you follow football at all over the last 50 years 90% of the time a good coach can come into a program no matter the state of the program previously, and start showing positive progress as a whole of a team. It does not take them 4 years of "their recruits" to get things up and running. I understand it sucks to admit we made another bad hire and have to potentially sit through all this again but the sooner we can fix the mistake and move on the better. Im sorry this is a mistake anyone that can't see that, yes even this early on, is blind!
Yes I admit Bo destroyed the players moral and mentality and it will take time to get this worked out, but this programs has taken such a huge step backwards I don't see Riley being able to recover that greatly. All I can say is do your research on Riley. Look at the guys history, why would he ever win here when he couldn't anywhere else?
Didn't we blame Callys early struggles on Solich recruiting? Didn't we blame Bos early struggles on Callys recruiting? Now we are blaming Rileys struggles on Bos recruiting. Hmmmm, do you the definition of insanity?
I think Cally's early struggles were due to scheme change from a power I/option offense to a west coast offense.
Their game management makes you envy the hell out of what Les Miles is capable of when it comes to clock management. They call it the Les Miles school of clock management and it seems as if Riley and crew wrote the book on it..
Everyone always blames recruiting, it's the very first go to excuse for every woe you ever have. Callahan out of any of our most recent coaches probably had the most difficult task or taking over because we didn't exactly have the types of players you would want in a pro style offense.
Cally? Yes. It was fair to do so.
Bo? Not really. Bo did reasonably well with the very good talent Cally left behind.
We still blamed Bo's problems on Cally recruiting. Back in 2008 all of our problems were due to lack of talent on defense, poor depth and program mismanagement, pretty much the same excuses we're using today. This is a revolving door we're experiencing here and until a coach shows up and wins then I'm sure the same will be said of any coaches from here on out who are departed from the program.
Solich yes because he had become obviously complacent in recruiting as we were pulling in classes in the 40's+ (I remember sport writers predicting our downfall 2 to 3 years before it happened), not to mention the type of players he recruited across the line and qb were for run-oriented option, not west coast pass-heavy offense. There is a difference in the type of player you want on your line for pass blocking relative to run blocking.
I don't recall people blaming bo's early struggle on Cally's recruiting but it is possible if they compared our team to who he was used to working with (Oklahoma and LSU). Our talent level wasn't up to those standards, but not far behind.
Although Bo got a lot of flack for recruiting, I do believe this is a pretty talented team and was more than capable of winning every game they have played in convincing fashion. However in a game where there isn't really that much that separates the worst team from the best team, details matter more than they are credited for. Getting better, more of a "fit", talent is not going to necessarily translate into better results. It is the mental aspect that this team, and program, has failed on for the past 13 years or so.
This team is inconsistent, has no urgency to stomp on the other teams throat, plays up and down to competition.. because they are mentally unstable. The greater themes that we see are all between the ears. I can't blame that on our current staff because it is exactly the same problems that cropped out last year, except now its a cancer without a host, so we lose close games instead of winning them, or maybe pelini was just the recipient of luck. I am encouraged by the play of freshman that have played because they seem to be mentally stable and thus have exhibited consistent play (when they have been given the chance). I don't think our psychological issues will be a quick fix, it'll take years to exorcise from our program unfortunately.
For the record, I think the game against Illinois last year without abdullah would have been close... real close. We would rotate in cross or newby last year and they seemed to have difficulty finding holes but abdullah... night and day. I think it is obvious that the conditions pointed towards running the ball but I'm not for sure if we could have actually sustained a drive doing that... ozigbo ran well but he seems liable to fumble. However, did not like (what seemed to happen every series) long balls on 1st and 10.... just not smart (especially when Tommy is off by 10-15 yards you have to know the weather is having too much of an impact to continually do it), hopefully the coaches learned their lesson and move on from it better and more informed about what its going to take to win in the big 10 orrr at all.
I don't remember anyone blaming Bo's problems due to the lack of talent (i.e., Callahan's recruiting). In fact Bo didn't really catch much flak at all his first 3 years when he lost.
Cause we improved each year. Then the Texas a&m game happened. Then we switched conferences.
Ahh yes, the we switched conferences excuse. I do remember that. We were told it would take time to recruit a defense that can stop big ten offenses. As in, stock piling linebackers. Certainly explains why we are so deep at that position with Bo getting years to recruit to the Big Ten.
yep. still enough talent on this team to win 8 or 9 games. doesn't look like that is going to happen
I wouldn't say Bo took much heat in 2008 but Cally recruiting on defense was a huge excuse for any problems we had in the 2008 season. The cupboards were supposedly bare then as well but Bo fielded a pretty damn good defense with those guys in 2009.
harbaugh was building a program that had 1 win before he got to Stanford. took him 4 years to build a bigtime program. riley never built a big time program at Oregon state
You can laugh if you wish but our important folks know exactly what Riley et al. were inheriting. Nobody was expecting results right away (except our foolish fan base).
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