These are now HIS players now, not Bo's. I'm all for giving a coach time to work and all but how do you judge a coaches ability? You judge them based on how they perform as a coach. How has this staff performed thus far? The way this teams looks right now we have one, maybe two winnable games on the schedule. I'm sorry but losing to Illinois IS NOT an issue of talent or depth or Bo Pelini, rather it's an issue of where this staff currently has the football program sitting. I like to consider my views fair early on and like to see a brighter side before I go bitching about coaching, even more during the first season of a football staff but our game day coaching leaves a lot to be desired. Dropped balls, fumbles, etc. all of that is part of the game, it's going to happen but having FG fests because your play calling is absolutely atrocious or choosing to force a square peg in to a round hole is just downright bad and displays a lot about your ability. I'm not calling for Rileys head or anything, it's only fair to see how his progress is during his second season, I think that is the most telling season for any new coaching staff but beyond that if the program isn't headed down the right path I think you're throwing money away on a product that just isn't good enough. Sadly even though I'm willing to see how this staff performs next season, I really don't have high hopes for them because I just don't see it.
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These are now HIS players now, not Bo's. I'm all for giving a coach time to work and all but how do you judge a coaches ability? You judge them based on how they perform as a coach. How has this staff performed thus far? The way this teams looks right now we have one, maybe two winnable games on the schedule. I'm sorry but losing to Illinois IS NOT an issue of talent or depth or Bo Pelini, rather it's an issue of where this staff currently has the football program sitting. I like to consider my views fair early on and like to see a brighter side before I go bitching about coaching, even more during the first season of a football staff but our game day coaching leaves a lot to be desired. Dropped balls, fumbles, etc. all of that is part of the game, it's going to happen but having FG fests because your play calling is absolutely atrocious or choosing to force a square peg in to a round hole is just downright bad and displays a lot about your ability. I'm not calling for Rileys head or anything, it's only fair to see how his progress is during his second season, I think that is the most telling season for any new coaching staff but beyond that if the program isn't headed down the right path I think you're throwing money away on a product that just isn't good enough. Sadly even though I'm willing to see how this staff performs next season, I really don't have high hopes for them because I just don't see it.
And go back and look at the amount of 4 star players we had in the last 5 years who NEVER played, or left the team. At least 12. So on signing day our classes may have been high, but 12 four stars. So spare me the signing day rankings. Who stayed? Who played?
Look at their roster that starts right now, that's all that counts.
Look at their roster today...the amount of 4 stars are the same in each starting 22 except for a 5 star safety and a 5 star OL.
He will not be here for 5 years if he has multiple losing seasons. The AD would be gone long before that. This isn't Iowa State. You don't get more than one losing season at a program like Nebraska. Especially when you compete in the easiest division in major college football.
Imagine if we were in the Big Ten East or SEC West or Big 12 and played ranked teams with great coaches every other week. We haven't even faced one good team or good coach yet.
What counts is how do they turn out! Newby was a 4 star recruit, but it appears our best RB is a 3 star true freshman that a lot of posters thought was too slow.
Stars do not equal talent. Stars are speculative, and we've had a lot of 4 stars who never did anything here.
I agree..which is why I blame coaching.
Funny all the elite schools are trying to recruit 4 and 5 star players .there are a lot more 3 stars, why don't they start there.
We have 4 RBs rated 4 stars and 4 WRs that are rated 4 stars all of them are misses. Yeah right.
As you wish. I'm having fun watching the next era of Nebraska football unfold. Despite all the negatives I see lots of things to be encouraged about.
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No. Riley also hasn't been at a place with resources. This has been discussed in detail. I'm of the opinion that history in one context is not necessarily a predictor for the next adventure in a new context.
Penalties were down yesterday relative to the previous weeks. We called a run. Not the run you would have liked but we called a run.
I'm very happy with the state of the recruiting class. I'd be happy to read what your concerns are with the class we have assembled and the stats plenty of our guys are putting up in their senior seasons.
Our coach is balanced emotionally. That is a good thing.
So what about all the guys on staff that are not from Oregon State? What about Bray? You can't highlight the negatives and omit the positives.
I see a fan base freaking out over some tough losses. I'm unhappy with the result as well. I'm balanced enough, however, to see the major issues (talent, depth, roster mismanagement, etc.) and questionable coaching decisions so far. The reality is I thought we would be worse this year than last simply because we lost Ameer and Gregory. That is clearly true. But I'm not ready, or willing, to do the 'sky is falling' bullshit that the fan base is doing right now. It's ridiculous.
This is beyond ridiculous.
Tommy is one example you will yield. Look what Bray is doing with literally nothing plus a couple true freshman. Look at the progress of Freedom at DE. Look at Collins yesterday.
Well thought out response, Archie. One quibble: I would say that an NFL job counts as one with resources. I don't think people are doing a "sky is falling" routine. Rather, I think people are disappointed five games into this season and are looking for a reason to be hopeful about the future. I had season tickets at Stanford for many years, including Harbaugh's first season. The record wasn't great that year, but I remember an incredible sense of optimism seeing an outmatched yet disciplined team. I don't have that same sense now. I hope I see something by the end of the season to give me some hope. Committing slightly fewer penalties than the week before, just doesn't do it for me.
3 years is the longest you keep an underperforming coach. Anything longer than that... and recruiting fails.
We will know most everything we need to know about the new coaching staff by the end of this year. We will know all we need to know by the end of next year.
Thanks for the kind words.
I know what you mean with respect to the NFL, but in my opinion, that is just an entirely different situation. I think the better comparison is to Oregon State and I've my my thoughts on that clear. Obviously, it is certainly possible that it doesn't work out in a new environment with resources; however, I'm certainly not anywhere near ready to toss the towel in yet.
To be clear, I wasn't trying to suggest you were one of those fans but I do feel we are seeing a rather naive reaction from our fan base. We were not a very good team last year. Remove Ameer and Gregory and what kind of team would we have been? Especially without Ameer? We are getting a clear look right now with a depleted roster at certain positions. That doesn't excuse the coaching mistakes but we are not a very good team right now. We were a seven point favorite for a reason - Vegas doesn't think we are very good. They are right.
I'm completely on board with your comment regarding Stanford. My personal opinion is that we have a number of players on this roster that simply don't have the 'Pelini' mentality washed out of them. Shit. Lewis is now making a fool out of himself on a weekly basis and the guy is a freaking captain. What does that say about the mental makeup of our team right now? Now I'm not blaming the losses or mistakes on Bo. Not at all. I'm simply saying that I think it is going to take a couple years until we really see what Riley's team is going to look like.
I'm literally laughing at anyone suggesting a coach should get 2-3 years. It's nonsense.
I am laughing at a coach taking a 9 win team and only getting 4 to 6 wins this season.
We called a run. Just in case you missed one of the ten thousand articles noting that fact.
One of the top defensive players for Coach Mike Riley at Oregon State, Trent Bray will serve as Nebraska's linebackers coach. Bray served in the same role on Riley's Oregon state staff from 2012 to 2014.
If we have losing seasons for 2-3 years, you will see plenty of empty seats in Memorial Stadium and a huge loss in donor revenue. This hire was a knee-jerk reaction to hire an anti-Pelini and anybody who was paying attention recognized it for what it was. MR is not going to get much of a grace-period here, whether that is fair to him or not.
Yes because it sure looked like run blocking. Coaches covering their asses. Should've knelt and ran clock. Langsdorf and RiLLLey are terrible.
jeans, you saw some practices and gave us reports. Do you feel end-of-game situations were covered enough, too littte, or not at all?
I hope you're right. Believe me I do. The season is almost half over. The first half did not meet expectations. Hopefully we see a positive trajectory. Appreciate the respectful discussion.
Depends on how those 2-3 seasons go. If he has 2 losing seasons, he will be gone in 2 years. It's almost unheard-of for a coach at a blue-blood program to survive more than 2 losing seasons.
If he can show improvement the rest of this season and significant progress next season, Riley will be here to stay for a while. If he doesn't, he'll be gone. That's how it goes when you are the coach at a big-time program.
Oh yeah? Like your laughing means anything?
3 years max for an underperforming coach.
Hanging on to underperforming coaches too long harms the program. It's nonsense.
Right, and that's the way it should be.
Football is a performance sport. Players are judged every day on their performance. Perform at a high level or don't play. Same with coaches. This idea of hanging on to mediocre coaches is absurd.
Utah says hello..... Michigan didn't tear it up week 1 but has been a top 10 team ever since. 4 and 1 looks a lot better than 2 and 3.
I was really hoping for M Iilwaiin. Spelling
He has Florida as world beaters. NU has Mike Riley.
try not to be so positive...ok!
im trying to focus on people who can deal with some adversity.
Yes. Bray was at Oregon State and came with Riley. He is also doing an amazing job. Best of any coach on the staff. He also appears to be the best recruiter. So, no, Riley didn't just bring a bunch of scrubs along.
At the beginning of year three Riley and staff will have had their first full recruiting class on campus for one year. End conversation.
Just wait we haven't played anyone good yet imagine the Michigan State or even a Michigan would do to us right now let alone An Sec team or Tcu or Baylor
Losses to teams like that (i.e, T10 teams) could be blamed almost entirely on Pelini for leaving the roster in shambles. The more important losses to discuss WRT our current staff are game likes yesterday.
After 3 years Riley will have been in charge of the Nebraska football program for 3 years.
If he and his staff have not shown significant imporvements after 3 years on the job, then his tryout is over.
That's true. What I said is also true. We should do a Q&A with all D1 coaches in the country to see which perspective is considered reasonable.
No matter what it is on the coaches. Either the play was a run/pass option or there was a breakdown in communication/coaching. Watch the running back run right by the defender. IF that was a run-why didn't he block--instead of running for a pass.
I have never seen a more inexcusable loss in my life. Less than a minute to go-you have the ball and the other team has no timeouts. That should be almost impossible to lose. This coaching staff is incompetent--just like they were at Oregon State.
no they are 4-1 but I get what you are saying. the Michigan oline hasn't been able to block anybody for 3 years. this year no pressure on qb and are able to run the football. defense was good last year but is great this year. Michigan gets better every week
doesn't take 3 years to do something with a school that has been winning 9 games every year
It's all in the press today. Run as the play was called and we win. Run was called.
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