At this point, lets just hire Mickey, find him the assistants and ****in go. The kids are responding and if he is the guy and we continue to wait it sets up for more of a clown show. If he's the dude, just ****in announce it so we can get crootin.
Mickey could be our Dabo
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The one Big 12 HC that is an exception to what you’re talking about is Aranda though. He was LSU’s DC for their NC and was very successful there. (Past experience in B10 as Wisconsin’s DC doesn’t hurt either.)
The one Big 12 HC that is an exception to what you’re talking about is Aranda though. He was LSU’s DC for their NC and was very successful there. (Past experience in B10 as Wisconsin’s DC doesn’t hurt either.)
Okay, but the fact is there is more overall talent in the 3 star ranks than in the 4 star ranks just like I said.
The fact is there is more overall players in the 3 star ranks than in the 4 star ranks.
No they weren't and I don't think you understood Osborne's offense. He was one of the first to understand that you need to stretch the field both vertically and horizontally, and he did it better than anyone else. He used the option game to stretch the field horizontally, option pass or play action to go vertical and had an effective power run game in the meanwhile. By stretching the defense in multiple dimensions, they can't cover everything and it opens up a lot of holes and space for your offense to operate.
BTW this is what made Frost so successful at UCF and what I was hoping he would implement here. Frost used the bubble screen game to stretch horizontally and had a highly effective vertical passing game at UCF. Unfortunately he never brought that vertical passing game with him here.
this is incorrect
like I said, 22% of NFL drafts are made up of 4-star players compared to only 5.5% 3-stars
you are highlighting the bulk/filler of the league, which - surprise, surprise - mathematically reflects the overall number of total football players available
you are discussing quantity and not quality (like you wish)
But that doesn't mean there is more talent in the 3 star pool. It just means there is more players.
The link I showed indicates there is more overall 3 star players in the league than even 4 and 5 stars combined. So there is more overall talent in the 3 star ranks than the 4 star ranks.
Ummmm, I’ll take those bum 4 and 5 star kids please. A team full of them. Wtf is happening in this thread?
Osbornes offenses ran the ball close to 75% of the time. Outside of Berringer in 1994, the QBs only completed about 48% of their passes in normal years and about 9-12 completions per game.
Outside of a couple of guys the WR were not difference makers athletically and from 1973 to 1993, when Nebraska played more talented teams with athletes that could match those players 1 on 1, the pass game was ineffective outside of a couple of TE seam routes, that caught the safeties peaking and coming up to stop the run. - When your QB is only hitting about 7-10 passes per game, defenses took their chances. I am not sure that is the equivalent to stretching the field vertically.
what I'm telling you is that is the case at every level of football, since there are twice as many 3-star players as there are 4- and 5-star players combined
again, you are talking quantity and confusing it with quality
a much, much higher percentage of 4- and 5-star players go pro than 3-stars
This was back when receivers didn't wear gloves, the material on the ball was different, and where everyone wore ginormous pads that got in the way. The completion percentage for every team was lower than it is now. The other reason our completion percentage was low is that we didn't throw often, but when we did, we threw bombs downfield. We didn't have the short passing game that leads to a high completion percentage but isn't always particularly effective. You obviously have zero clue of how an Osborne offense is supposed to run because that's exactly what he did was stretch the field in both dimensions.
I'm not confusing anything. There is objectively more talent at the 3 star level than the 4 star level, and that's a fact that I provided a source for. If that's due to a higher quantity or any other factor is really irrelevant to that fact. There are more 3 star players in the NFL than 4 stars, and there is plenty of talent to comb through at the 3 star level. That's the entire point I am making. I never said we shouldn't go after 4 star players, and we have. I'm criticizing the stupid comments about 3 star players that pop up here all the time like it's the reason for all of our problems. We need to find the right talent, the best talent, that fits our program no matter what the recruiting rankings say.
would you rather be a 4 or 5 star recruit or a 3 star recruit?
2018 NFL Draftees
5-star: 19
4-star: 70
3-star: 106
2-star: 19
NR: 42
If one were to look at those numbers without an explanation, you’d see that 167 of 254 drafted players ranked as a three-star prospect or below. That’s 65.7 percent of all players drafted. But one also needs to consider the pool in which these players are coming from. To do, let’s take a look at the 2014 class, those players that would’ve been fourth-year seniors in 2017, along with the percentage of them drafted based on the 2018 NFL Draft.
2014 Class - 247Sports Composite
5-star: 33 (57.6%)
4-star: 296 (23.6%)
3-star: 1,541 (6.9%)
2-star: 1,666 (1.1%)
NR: NA
How recruiting rankings fare projecting future NFL Draft picks
It's a popular time of year for people to throw around stats of three-star recruits dominating the NFL Draft. But if you look at the percentages that's not really the case ...
247sports.com
2022 Draft -- In total, nearly two-thirds (62.5%) of first-round picks in this draft were rated as 4-star prospects or better,
Brian Kelly's LSU move paying off in Year 1 with Alabama victory propelling Tigers back to 'elite' level
The afterglow of beating the Crimson Tide in Death Valley is sticking with Kelly
www.cbssports.com
The On3 data shows the five-stars accounted for 8.9% of all picks in the draft, despite representing just 0.7% of all prospects. The five-stars were drafted at a 71.9% rate
Corey Dixon, Tyrone Hughes, Abdul Muhammed and Irving Fryar all seem to have gloves on.
Thanks, two-thirds of NFL talent is rated 3 star or below. That's all I needed to know and the entire point I was making. I never said we shouldn't recruit 4 or 5 star talent, we absolutely should. But we should also recruit some of these 3 star and below recruits that have NFL talent.would you rather be a 4 or 5 star recruit or a 3 star recruit?
2018 NFL Draftees
5-star: 19
4-star: 70
3-star: 106
2-star: 19
NR: 42
If one were to look at those numbers without an explanation, you’d see that 167 of 254 drafted players ranked as a three-star prospect or below. That’s 65.7 percent of all players drafted. But one also needs to consider the pool in which these players are coming from. To do, let’s take a look at the 2014 class, those players that would’ve been fourth-year seniors in 2017, along with the percentage of them drafted based on the 2018 NFL Draft.
2014 Class - 247Sports Composite
5-star: 33 (57.6%)
4-star: 296 (23.6%)
3-star: 1,541 (6.9%)
2-star: 1,666 (1.1%)
NR: NA
How recruiting rankings fare projecting future NFL Draft picks
It's a popular time of year for people to throw around stats of three-star recruits dominating the NFL Draft. But if you look at the percentages that's not really the case ...
2022 Draft -- In total, nearly two-thirds (62.5%) of first-round picks in this draft were rated as 4-star prospects or better,
Brian Kelly's LSU move paying off in Year 1 with Alabama victory propelling Tigers back to 'elite' level
The afterglow of beating the Crimson Tide in Death Valley is sticking with Kelly
The On3 data shows the five-stars accounted for 8.9% of all picks in the draft, despite representing just 0.7% of all prospects. The five-stars were drafted at a 71.9% rate
Do they have the same quality as they do now?Corey Dixon, Tyrone Hughes, Abdul Muhammed and Irving Fryar all seem to have gloves on.
I've been wearing football gloves since I was in middle school in the Mid 90's because of Deion. The tack hasn't changed much. Yes materials the gloves are made of are probably better, but receiver gloves have been around for awhile.
1. If you were a high school player would you rather be evaluated and rated as a 5 star player or a 3 star player?
2. As a team if could hand select any 25 recruits each year - how many 3 stars would be selected --
- teams recruit 3 stars because they have to and hope to get lucky - there aren't enough 4-5 stars to go around
also, it's abundantly clear that "3-star" is just a default bucket these prospects go into if they don't have any exemplary physical attributes
I kind of get what @oldjar07 is saying, but it's a little bit of a dotted line
here's the net:
4- and 5-star players are more talented, as evidenced by their multitudes higher likelihood of being drafted. the more of these guys you can get, the better, but they are a finite resource
there is a lot of 3-star talent either hidden in rural areas, average physical attributes, late growth spurts, the "unmeasurable" (intangibles like work ethic, want to, heart, grit, coachability, etc.) or just simple sheer numbers - there are tens of thousands of high school football players every year and only so many recruiting sites/dorks to evaluate them - to be mined
not all 3-stars are created equal, and that's where the range of outcomes is widest, thus the importance of identifying & developing according to fit (whether it be scheme, culture, bloodlines, whatever)
