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McGuire out as WR Coach

this is literally exactly what I said.

Dannen gave Rhule marching orders that a change on offense was needed. not in the offseason, now.

without Dannen's involvement, there is no Dana. because there's no chance Rhule would do that all on his own mid-season.

you've been arguing with what you now say is common sense for weeks. classic.

You have been saying the AD made these changes. Now you are pivoting, like usual. Of course the AD asked the coach to evaluate his program and asked him how he plans to improve.

That is a far cry from your claim the last several weeks that the AD told the coach to fire specific assistants and that the AD is picking the new assistant coaches himself.
 
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Exactly he is good and sharp dude. The recruits seem to like him . He just doesn’t have to experience to coach a p4 wr room. The guy Dana just hired played for Dana at West Virginia that helps to he played the position GM never did. Let him watch and learn how to coach.
That's one of my problems with the hire. Asking a qb to coach Big 10 receivers without any experience on any level. At least a former college wr has a lifetime of experience built up in addition to his coaching experience.
 
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So what will McGuire's role be with the staff moving forward ?
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You have been saying the AD made these changes. Now you are pivoting, like usual. Of course the AD asked the coach to evaluate his program and asked him how he plans to improve.

That is a far cry from your claim the last several weeks that the AD told the coach to fire specific assistants and that the AD is picking the new assistant coaches himself.
No, I haven’t.

I have said from the get go that Dannen forced Rhule’s hand.

Simple as that. And obviously what happened.

You and many others are so emotionally triggered by me that you invent storylines.

I urge you to find one single post I made proving your point. You won’t because it doesn’t exist.

Glad you’ve come around to my - the only and correct - side.
 
Also - coaches never evaluate the gaps in their teams performance. Rhule didn’t need Dannen telling him we needed to go to a bowl. He knew that had to happen.

I don’t doubt there are conversations between Rhule and Dannen but to give all credit to good decisions to Dannen is just not accurate or intellectually honest in my opinion.
Rhule would’ve waited until the offseason to make a change if not for Dannen’s suggestion and leadership.

He still can’t bring himself to fire underperforming staff members.

The end.
 
No, I haven’t.

I have said from the get go that Dannen forced Rhule’s hand.

Simple as that. And obviously what happened.

You and many others are so emotionally triggered by me that you invent storylines.

I urge you to find one single post I made proving your point. You won’t because it doesn’t exist.

Glad you’ve come around to my - the only and correct - side.
And if you say it enough times it becomes true. Winking
 
Why is Foley, Satterfield and Barthel still here? Barthel was on the block last year and he signed us 2 RB who had ZERO other P4 offers. Finally got Parker who hopefully works out, but dipped some this year.
 
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Why is Foley, Satterfield and Barthel still here? Barthel was on the block last year and he signed us 2 RB who had ZERO other P4 offers. Finally got Parker who hopefully works out, but dipped some this year.
Parker had offers from most of the B1G schools, including Oregon and Michigan. No idea of the commitability of these offers, but at least tires were kicked.
 
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You have been saying the AD made these changes. Now you are pivoting, like usual. Of course the AD asked the coach to evaluate his program and asked him how he plans to improve.

That is a far cry from your claim the last several weeks that the AD told the coach to fire specific assistants and that the AD is picking the new assistant coaches himself.
Here is a response to you proving my position on this very site from 11/24:

Rhule has the relationship.

Dannen is the boss.

an AD telling his head coach that he needs to make a change after nearly 2 years of below average results is far from uncommon.

There are many, many more, as well.

Why you insist on believing your own fiction when I’m right here telling you the truth is kind of on you.

Again, glad you’ve come around to my - the correct - side. I agree it’s beyond obvious and common sense that Dannen forced Rhule’s hand after it had become clear he was floundering.

Explains Rhule’s defeated body language in his presser to announce Dana, as well.

I tried to fix it.”
We needed to make a change.”
 
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Here is a response to you proving my position on this very site from 11/24:



There are many, many more, as well.

Why you insist on believing your own fiction when I’m right here telling you the truth is kind of on you.

Again, glad you’ve come around to my - the correct - side. I agree it’s beyond obvious and common sense that Dannen forced Rhule’s hand after it had become clear he was floundering.

Explains Rhule’s defeated body language in his presser to announce Dana, as well.

I tried to fix it.”
We needed to make a change.”
Let it F#####G GO!
 
You have been saying the AD made these changes. Now you are pivoting, like usual. Of course the AD asked the coach to evaluate his program and asked him how he plans to improve.

That is a far cry from your claim the last several weeks that the AD told the coach to fire specific assistants and that the AD is picking the new assistant coaches himself.
Lastly, going from:

“I’m not sure that the AD has to do with it” to “of course the AD asked the coach to evaluate his program” is quite the pivot.

Good for you. Many others will dig in on their wrong position.

Growth mindset from you. Love it!
 
Let it F#####G GO!
Why?

I’m glad we have an AD who cares about the football program and you should be, too.

Rhule following orders wasn’t easy, either. You are proof that swallowing one’s pride and admitting you’re wrong can be very difficult. I commend him for that.

This is the first semblance of competence we’ve seen in 2 years.

A positive!
 
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Lastly, going from:

“I’m not sure that the AD has to do with it” to “of course the AD asked the coach to evaluate his program” is quite the pivot.

Good for you. Many others will dig in on their wrong position.

Growth mindset from you. Love it!

Yet again. The AD does not tell the head coach which assistant coaches to let go and does not pick assistant coaches. Suggesting, no flat out stating, he does is just incorrect. And is a far cry from the AD asking the coach to evaluate his program and the coach making the decision to make changes. Huge difference.
 
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Yet again. The AD does not tell the head coach which assistant coaches to let go and does not pick assistant coaches. Suggesting, no flat out stating, he does is just incorrect. And is a far cry from the AD asking the coach to evaluate his program and the coach making the decision to make changes. Huge difference.
I never said that.

I said Dannen forced Rhule’s hand to make a change.

Which, you now agree, is exactly what happened.
 
My comment wasn’t as much a rebuttal of your post as much as it was just a comment about the topic in general.

Every time someone brings up Paterno on this board there is always a comment about the things he let go at Penn St. Yet when someone brings up the stuff Osborne let happen at Nebraska, there is always an excuse or rationalization.

Sorry if I wasn’t clear. It was getting late when I responded.
If this is TLDR, so be it, some of my detractors won't like it because its another long ass diatribe.

I know as my son and I have travelled around the country, when we mention the Huskers, TO always has that Lawrence incidence on his neck like a yoke. Lawrence was a fantastic talent, and his upbringing
was a recipe for disaster. Tom's decisions on those types were not to be defended by either my son or I.

As a fan, I loved the Husker success but always knew where that edge came from, just like when NU was roiding royally for so many years in the 80's and beyond. It's a shame Tom succumed to the pressures of winning big.
But, nationally Tom is not held in such high regard, having talked to so many people from different areas.

FWIW.
I started coaching baseball in 1972, when I was 18, and then later when my son was born and grew to about 10 years old I said we will go as far as your natural talent will take you, but we are NEVER gonna cheat. He became a 3 time national champion in full contact karate in Little Rock, Ark. He competed in national and world championships in 2 different sports. He won the state 100 and 200 meter dash, and 31 years later, still holds the state shotput record for the <15 age group when he broke Scott Frost's shot put record.

At 13 he threw a no-hitter in the national semi-final game in Ohio, hopped on a plane and he and my wife flew to Dallas to join the US National team and spent 3 weeks taking on good 17--18 year old Legion teams from Dallas to California, prior to heading to Mexico. At age 13 he threw the gold medal game in the world championships in Mazatlan, Mexico.

The next year in Londrina, Brazil he started the gold medal game on the mound and Jayson Werth was his catcher.
He also led Nebraska Legion teams in home runs at age 17 before he went to play baseball the next year in Virginia Beach, Va. He performed in 38 states and 9 foreign countries. I had the privilege of working under the Soviet Union Olympic sprint coach when he moved to San Franciso to train world class sprinters as well as my son, I was associated with him for 11 years prior to his passing.

At 14 and 5'11" he was dunking in league games. When it was implied to him by MLB scouts during Legion ball that he would need to get "a little bigger", i.e. take steroids, he told them that he and I have made a pact and that will never happen. I did what most dads wouldn't do and with my prior endorsement, he took himself out of consideration of playing beyond the 4 years he started in D1 baseball. My son and I talk daily, few dad's will ever have a better relationship. I started the fires and we walked through those fires together.

I did things the unconventional way and I rub a lot of people in here the wrong way, but I'm not just some fcvking Johnny Come Lately to all things athletic. I know talent and I know coaching talent.
The thing none of us can ever know, unless we know someone intimately, is their true character.

Admittedly, I'm a crusty old sonofabitch, more than a bit egotistical, but I've seen and done a lot in 70+ years.
I was a 16 year old high school dropout who chose to become self educated and challenge the unthinkable.

I take a little bit of shit from people that I respect, and you Tuco, happen to be one of them. Your views are to be respected for thoughtful content and consideration. You elevate the board. If I disagree, I remain a fan.

Not only do I accept your apology, I offer you one as well for being testy last night.
(You and I should just quit posting after 11p.m.?) LOL

If you stayed this long, I appreciate your indulgence. Peace out.
 
If this is TLDR, so be it, some of my detractors won't like it because its another long ass diatribe.

I know as my son and I have travelled around the country, when we mention the Huskers, TO always has that Lawrence incidence on his neck like a yoke. Lawrence was a fantastic talent, and his upbringing
was a recipe for disaster. Tom's decisions on those types were not to be defended by either my son or I.

As a fan, I loved the Husker success but always knew where that edge came from, just like when NU was roiding royally for so many years in the 80's and beyond. It's a shame Tom succumed to the pressures of winning big.
But, nationally Tom is not held in such high regard, having talked to so many people from different areas.

FWIW.
I started coaching baseball in 1972, when I was 18, and then later when my son was born and grew to about 10 years old I said we will go as far as your natural talent will take you, but we are NEVER gonna cheat. He became a 3 time national champion in full contact karate in Little Rock, Ark. He competed in national and world championships in 2 different sports. He won the state 100 and 200 meter dash, and 31 years later, still holds the state shotput record for the <15 age group when he broke Scott Frost's shot put record.

At 13 he threw a no-hitter in the national semi-final game in Ohio, hopped on a plane and he and my wife flew to Dallas to join the US National team and spent 3 weeks taking on good 17--18 year old Legion teams from Dallas to California, prior to heading to Mexico. At age 13 he threw the gold medal game in the world championships in Mazatlan, Mexico.

The next year in Londrina, Brazil he started the gold medal game on the mound and Jayson Werth was his catcher.
He also led Nebraska Legion teams in home runs at age 17 before he went to play baseball the next year in Virginia Beach, Va. He performed in 38 states and 9 foreign countries. I had the privilege of working under the Soviet Union Olympic sprint coach when he moved to San Franciso to train world class sprinters as well as my son, I was associated with him for 11 years prior to his passing.

At 14 and 5'11" he was dunking in league games. When it was implied to him by MLB scouts during Legion ball that he would need to get "a little bigger", i.e. take steroids, he told them that he and I have made a pact and that will never happen. I did what most dads wouldn't do and with my prior endorsement, he took himself out of consideration of playing beyond the 4 years he started in D1 baseball. My son and I talk daily, few dad's will ever have a better relationship. I started the fires and we walked through those fires together.

I did things the unconventional way and I rub a lot of people in here the wrong way, but I'm not just some fcvking Johnny Come Lately to all things athletic. I know talent and I know coaching talent.
The thing none of us can ever know, unless we know someone intimately, is their true character.

Admittedly, I'm a crusty old sonofabitch, more than a bit egotistical, but I've seen and done a lot in 70+ years.
I was a 16 year old high school dropout who chose to become self educated and challenge the unthinkable.

I take a little bit of shit from people that I respect, and you Tuco, happen to be one of them. Your views are to be respected for thoughtful content and consideration. You elevate the board. If I disagree, I remain a fan.

Not only do I accept your apology, I offer you one as well for being testy last night.
(You and I should just quit posting after 11p.m.?) LOL

If you stayed this long, I appreciate your indulgence. Peace out.
Its cool, I need to be in bed by then anyway. All good
 
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this is literally exactly what I said.

Dannen gave Rhule marching orders that a change on offense was needed. not in the offseason, now.

without Dannen's involvement, there is no Dana. because there's no chance Rhule would do that all on his own mid-season.

you've been arguing with what you now say is common sense for weeks. classic.
Would love for Dannen to tell Rhule the same thing about our special teams, unless he knows Rhule is already going to make a move there. It’s obvious to everyone we need a new ST coach.
 
Yep

Rhule still can’t bring himself to fire his guys

Zero chance he makes this move in season if not made to by his supervisor
We’ve seen this is the case with some head coaches who are understandably loyal to guys who have worked hard for them but nevertheless underperform. If it’s true with Rhule, Dannen should prod him (maybe to give Rhule cover too) but of course let Rhule choose the replacement.
 
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