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Malcom Butler

That's the problem CC. More than half of this country suffer from depression or some mental issues. When those are mixed (especially if medication is used) problems can arise. I see it everyday and it is addictive to these people. Maybe not in the sense of the addictive chemicals like alcohol or tobacco have, but in the way they feel. They become addicted to the mellow and bad reactions mentally can occur.
 
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You hit it right on the head. Not everyone responds the same to its effects. The brain is so vast and complex, we have no idea how each individual person will respond to it over time. In my experiences working with youth everyday, I get to see the negative end of pot. Young kids watch these movies and youtube clips, music videos and only see the humor and appeal to the reaction. Showing them the loss of desire in your future or increased suicides does not offer click bait or ratings. Some don't like to hear that but its the truth and unfortunately its not going to change anytime soon.
 
I've seen it drag people's life down...many times. They claim they don't need it and can stop at any time, while the effects continue to damage their lives and those around them. It's addictive. Not to everyone, but to enough.
You talking about Yolobomb and booze?
 
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You hit it right on the head. Not everyone responds the same to its effects. The brain is so vast and complex, we have no idea how each individual person will respond to it over time. In my experiences working with youth everyday, I get to see the negative end of pot.

I agree with everything you said here and above, especially re: the complexity of the brain and the unique way in which marijuana may be addictive. I won’t be surprised, once more studies have been done, if pot turns out to be slightly less addictive than alcohol, though not for the same reasons. We just don’t understand it, the brain, or addiction that well, and my stance has always been we need more studies to better understand marijuana. (It’s hard to do studies on a substance that is illegal, especially one that is laughably categorized as a Schedule 1 drug, but I’d expect our understanding of marijuana to increase greatly in the next two decades.)

Do I think you’re taking a risk of you start using pot regularly? Absolutely. It’s a mind-altering substance that is enjoyable and it’s no secret that prolonged use can affect motivation and memory. If you’re suffering from a mental illness where motivation is already a problem, it’d be a very bad idea to start smoking pot (certainly certain strains).

I also get the perspective of someone working with at risk youth who constantly sees the negative effects of marijuana use in teens. But no one, of course, is advocating its use in teens, and again, I wouldn’t be looking at a developing brain to draw conclusions about whether a substance is safe for adult consumption, or addictive for adults. I could point to many other examples of its safe and responsible use among adults, but any evidence I would give would be anecdotal. Again, I’m leaving it to scientists and mental health professionals to figure out.

What I do not go around doing, as many in this thread are wont to do, is draw conclusions based on little more than hearsay and a superficial view of addiction, as if we can draw grand conclusions from particular cases even when we are not in full possession of the facts. In this particular case, there is no good evidence to suggest Butler actually even uses marijuana, or used it the night before the Super Bowl. As I hope is obvious, what some people take to be evidence for their stance on marijuana is at times laughable.
 
As I hope is obvious, what some people take to be evidence for their stance on marijuana is at times laughable.
Agreed, especially the "miracle drug" pushers whose only real evidence is "I'm a pothead and I like when they say it isn't bad so I don't feel guiltiy--make it legal!". "Alcohol!" "Mellows people out!" "Improves everything!" "Fart rainbows!" and such arguments as that.
If people wanna legalize it fine, have that opinion, but to pretend it isn't harmful or addictive is simply nonsense. Alcohol isn't addictive to everybody, but would people argue it isn't addicting? No.
I've posted evidence on this forum before about its negative effects, sorry if you missed it.
I'm out. Don't wanna hijack further.

Seems Butler had a lot of issues, Belichek ill probably never elaborate because he just doesn't care what people think, so I don't think we will ever really find out if the benching was rational or not.
 


This just makes absolutely no sense. I really wanted to believe that Butler did something really stupid the week of the Super Bowl that forced Belichick to bench him. That doesn't appear to be the case. As an outsider, I just can't fathom how the greatest coach in history could believe that literally every single DB on the roster was a better option that Butler. He has had a bad season for sure and looked terrible in the playoffs but come on. Even then I can't imagine that after a half of the defense getting scorched that he wouldn't at least try putting Butler out there. I can think of a few third downs where if the DB was at least an average tackler that the Defense could have forced a punt. Butler might not have been the same cover corner that he was in the past but he was still a great tackler.
 
Weed is the devil. The earth is flat. Evolution is a myth. If you disagree then you're a Riley fanboy.
 


This just makes absolutely no sense. I really wanted to believe that Butler did something really stupid the week of the Super Bowl that forced Belichick to bench him. That doesn't appear to be the case. As an outsider, I just can't fathom how the greatest coach in history could believe that literally every single DB on the roster was a better option that Butler. He has had a bad season for sure and looked terrible in the playoffs but come on. Even then I can't imagine that after a half of the defense getting scorched that he wouldn't at least try putting Butler out there. I can think of a few third downs where if the DB was at least an average tackler that the Defense could have forced a punt. Butler might not have been the same cover corner that he was in the past but he was still a great tackler.

Agreed. If he really did nothing to merit a benching then this is absolutely stupid. Especially after it became apparent during the game that they couldn't slow down the Eagles offense, so you might as well try him.
Belichick may have just out-thought this one, perhaps he has reached a level of, "I can do no wrong, and I am known for making quirky decisions that work out, so here will be another genius move" in his subconscious. Just really strange.
 


This just makes absolutely no sense. I really wanted to believe that Butler did something really stupid the week of the Super Bowl that forced Belichick to bench him. That doesn't appear to be the case. As an outsider, I just can't fathom how the greatest coach in history could believe that literally every single DB on the roster was a better option that Butler. He has had a bad season for sure and looked terrible in the playoffs but come on. Even then I can't imagine that after a half of the defense getting scorched that he wouldn't at least try putting Butler out there. I can think of a few third downs where if the DB was at least an average tackler that the Defense could have forced a punt. Butler might not have been the same cover corner that he was in the past but he was still a great tackler.

Belichick has made plenty of head scratching decisions for which he is lucky they did not come back to bite him or the team in the ass. The trading of Jamie Collins last year, Garoppolo this year, Chandler Jones three years ago (arguably, this one has, as it sure would have been nice to get some pressure on Foles). The decision to bench Butler, whatever his reasons, was obviously the wrong one, and it was made all the more wrong every drive the defense couldn’t get a stop and Bill still refused to put him in. There is a mantra among New England fans that often gets said during times like this, ‘In Bill we trust.’ That’s often said in the spirit of ‘Bill is beyond reproach,’ but nothing could be further from the truth.
 
Belichick has made plenty of head scratching decisions for which he is lucky they did not come back to bite him or the team in the ass. The trading of Jamie Collins last year, Garoppolo this year, Chandler Jones three years ago (arguably, this one has, as it sure would have been nice to get some pressure on Foles). The decision to bench Butler, whatever his reasons, was obviously the wrong one, and it was made all the more wrong every drive the defense couldn’t get a stop and Bill still refused to put him in. There is a mantra among New England fans that often gets said during times like this, ‘In Bill we trust.’ That’s often said in the spirit of ‘Bill is beyond reproach,’ but nothing could be further from the truth.

If there was no serious rules violation, then BB's decision reminds of Saban's decision to fire Lane Kiffin the week before the championship game vs. Clemson. Brilliant coach willing to make unconventional moves to win, but firing your OC the week before the championship game struck me as hubris. BB may have taken his plug-n-play philosophy one step too far.
 
If there was no serious rules violation, then BB's decision reminds of Saban's decision to fire Lane Kiffin the week before the championship game vs. Clemson. Brilliant coach willing to make unconventional moves to win, but firing your OC the week before the championship game struck me as hubris. BB may have taken his plug-n-play philosophy one step too far.

Or let's see...maybe the Eagles are just a better team???
 
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Or let's see...maybe the Eagles are just a better team???

That may be. They certainly were on Sunday. All that being said, the Patriots were only one defensive stop away from winning that game and I would have liked to have seen if that could have happened with their second best CB on the field instead of on the sidelines.
 
Belichick has made plenty of head scratching decisions for which he is lucky they did not come back to bite him or the team in the ass. The trading of Jamie Collins last year, Garoppolo this year, Chandler Jones three years ago (arguably, this one has, as it sure would have been nice to get some pressure on Foles). The decision to bench Butler, whatever his reasons, was obviously the wrong one, and it was made all the more wrong every drive the defense couldn’t get a stop and Bill still refused to put him in. There is a mantra among New England fans that often gets said during times like this, ‘In Bill we trust.’ That’s often said in the spirit of ‘Bill is beyond reproach,’ but nothing could be further from the truth.

I gotta disagree with you on Collins and Jones. Collins has proven that he wasn't worth close to the money that he was asking. Jones has historically disappeared late in the season and there was the synthetic weed freak out moment. I would have liked for them to keep Garoppolo but there was no way. He was up for a contract and wanted to be a starter and Brady isn't ready to hang them up. It would have been a Rodgers/Favre situation. Belichick has a good track record or doing exactly the opposite of what fans and "experts" think he should do and about 99% of the time it works out. This was the 1% and even then none of us know if it would have helped.
 
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