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Looks like Kaepernick will lose starting job to Gabbert

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I wanted to clarify one thing, at least from my point of view. I see it mentioned a little bit here, and also elsewhere, and it's something that always bothers me a little, and it's talking about "rights". I see people that say "he has a right to do what he did" and what not, and I get tired of people getting what someone has the "right" to do mixed up with what someone "should" do.

Of course he had a "right" to sit during the anthem. For all that "rights" or any sort of law is concerned, he could have hopped on one-foot and quacked like a duck if he wanted to during the anthem, and wouldn't have broken any law or other rules. The point isn't rights, it's what you should do. There are times to make a protest, and there are times to show some respect, and the playing of the national anthem is the latter. I saw someone comment that they think it's stupid we play the national anthem before every game. I disagree, but you are certainly within your "rights" to hold that point of view, as I am just as well within my "rights" to hold the opposite point of view. However, regardless of your views on if the national anthem should be played before a game; and regardless of how many times you have had to stand (or sit) through a performance of the national anthem, as any athlete or person who has attended a lot of games would have done quite a few times, you still take that small amount of effort to show a little respect.

As for his comments about why he sat, give me a break. Again, you are certainly within your "rights" to hold whatever point of view you want on the topic of race relations in this country, but using the word "oppress" is so far over the top, you've lost sight of it. An oppressed people don't have a member of their race as president of the country supposedly oppressing them. They aren't allowed to block traffic and generally make anyone who doesn't explicitly support them live's a living hell with little to no consequence in a country that supposedly oppresses them. They aren't allowed, while making millions of dollars doing something they are mediocre at best at, to act like a petulant child and dishonor their country, in a country that supposedly oppresses them.


Very well saidWinking
 
wonder if he realizes how lucky any Blacks who were forcefully introduced to the US via slaver really were. If they had stayed in Africa, or been shipped to Brazil or several other countries their future would have been dire. As it is, thanks to President Lincoln and our civil war, plus many laws passed then, we finally can say that in America, "all men are created equal." i know of no other country that has those words in their constitution or declaration of independence. Take a look at history Colin and look around you. I say that as a former member of the NAACP.
 
Nonsense. Protesting is as American as saluting a flag. Our county was founded on protest and freedom of speech. We're not freakin' Nazi's who have to swear an oath or salute a flag to be considered good Americans. There's nothing wrong with doffing your hat and placing your hand over your heart for the national anthem. Requiring it is fascism. You don't have to agree with the man's protest. You may even find it to be offensive. That doesn't make him any less American and require him to leave our country because you don't agree with his politics.

I have no problem with a protest. Sitting for the national anthem doesn't resonate with me personally as a protest. Just like burning businesses and looting them in an African American community doesn't resonate with me as a protest. If that's how you choose to protest, that's your right as an American. I consider it my right as an American to call you a total f*cking a$$hole.
 
If he wants to stop the oppression of people he should stop buying Nike shoes (he owns thousands that he himself paid for) since they have children overseas earning pennies an hour making those shoes, but he won't stop because that's inconvenient for him.

I served 8 years beside white, black, red, Hispanic, and Asian Americans while I was in the army. He, imo, is scum. BLM was built on a lie of hands up don't shoot. That group burns & vandalizes black communities. Take a lesson from Martin Luther King. That man was a hero!

CK is disrespectful to the military and the people who died for his freedom. If you are angry and dont like it, fine protest, give $, and raise your voice but show some Freaking respect!!

I for one did take an oath, and it never has an expiration date.
 
I have no problem with a protest. Sitting for the national anthem doesn't resonate with me personally as a protest. Just like burning businesses and looting them in an African American community doesn't resonate with me as a protest. If that's how you choose to protest, that's your right as an American. I consider it my right as an American to call you a total f*cking a$$hole.

Burning and looting businesses is the same as sitting for the national anthem? Seriously? Again, I'm standing for the national anthem. Just don't see this on the same level of disrespect as many on here. Kap said it was his way of protesting, so it's a protest. You may not agree with his position. That is your freedom of speech. And what's up with this "love it or leave it" crap? You mean "love it or change it". This is not a static country. Things change. Whether it's by consensus or force, things change. Lots of faux patriotism ITT. Protesting is among the most patriotic things you can do. It's not whether you agree with one's politics. It's whether you believe one has the right to do so. I think that Kap should stand for the national anthem. I'm just not outraged though. Like others have said, Kap will be cut due to his crappy performance, not his sitting for the national anthem.
 
I believe people that take pride in what they do make better figureheads in these types of protests. Ppl saying this is even remotely similar to Ali are crazy. You can't half ass shit in your life and expect to make a difference here.
 
Burning and looting businesses is the same as sitting for the national anthem? Seriously? Again, I'm standing for the national anthem. Just don't see this on the same level of disrespect as many on here. Kap said it was his way of protesting, so it's a protest. You may not agree with his position. That is your freedom of speech. And what's up with this "love it or leave it" crap? You mean "love it or change it". This is not a static country. Things change. Whether it's by consensus or force, things change. Lots of faux patriotism ITT. Protesting is among the most patriotic things you can do. It's not whether you agree with one's politics. It's whether you believe one has the right to do so. I think that Kap should stand for the national anthem. I'm just not outraged though. Like others have said, Kap will be cut due to his crappy performance, not his sitting for the national anthem.

My analogy required more qualification than I gave it; which I won't do because I'm sure it will go no where good with the masses. My point is simply that it is misguided at best. I can't argue that it's an ineffective protest, because here we are discussing it at length. I'm not a love it or leave it person; I just don't think it's a protest, much like I don't think African Americans burning and looting African American businesses is a protest. The fact that I have spent this many characters on Colin Kaepernick is the embarrassing part of it for me. I'd rather talk about people and things that actually matter
 
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My analogy required more qualification than I gave it; which I won't do because I'm sure it will go no where good with the masses. My point is simply that it is misguided at best. I can't argue that it's an ineffective protest, because here we are discussing it at length. I'm not a love it or leave it person; I just don't think it's a protest, much like I don't think African Americans burning and looting African American businesses is a protest. The fact that I have apent this many characters on Colin Kaepernick is the embarrassing part of it for me. I'd rather talk about people and things that actually matter

Totally respect that. Now I see where you are coming from. I'm not a Kap or Niner fan. Just think this is all mostly a non-issue. People get offended for the silliest of reasons.
 
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Totally respect that. Now I see where you are coming from. I'm not a Kap or Niner fan. Just think this is all mostly a non-issue. People get offended for the silliest of reasons.

We love to be offended by anything in this country anymore
 
Just can't seem them trotting him out as a starter after this...
http://deadspin.com/colin-kapernick-refuses-to-stand-for-anthem-there-are-1785838030
It's a shame that the African-American community has such poor leaders and role models. There is an opportunity for people like this to share with the rest of the community that they have achieved the American dream and that others can realize it too – and share the steps and hard work it took to get there. Instead, many of these multimillionaires, prefer to share a victimhood story. It's too bad that African-Americans as a community have remained stuck in neutral for so many years while many other groups have continued to excel and surpass them. With role models and leaders like this, it will continue to be more of the same for many, many years to come.
 
I don't believe his cause has any merit, nor do I think that's the right way to do it.

That said, in the USA, you should have the right to do it.

You can dislike it all you want, but that's one of the things that make the country great.

Everyone loves freedom until someone uses that freedom and it offends you. At that point, everyone wants to be facists.
 
US olympic pole vaulter stops mid run-up when he hears national anthem




And Bolt, from Jamaica, stops an interview out of respect. CK can do what he wants....it's the freedom he has been afforded by those that fought and continued to fight under the flag. But zero respect for him and so much more for Bolt! He gets it. I'm sure he would've done that for any country's anthem. It's all about respect.

 
He's not required to stand and you're not required to like it. Freedom of expression cuts both ways. Wouldn't be my choice, but you can't argue that it didn't garner a lot of attention.

As for whether or not he has a valid point, I think we've all been on the board long enough to know that discussion isn't going anywhere. You've all carved out your opinions on the matter, you've found outlets and figureheads to reinforce those opinions, and you're not planning to change them based on anything you read here.
 
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It garnered attention, but did it garner positive attention? Are people really talking about social injustices or are they talking about what he did. Like someone else said, doing what he did is the easy way. It took little effort on his part. He doesn't really have to dig in and work for a solution to whatever issue he is "protesting". He still goes home to his million dollar mansion in a gated community after the game and doesn't do a darn thing to try to fix anything. IMO the intent was more to draw attention to himself. It will do squat to bring about any solution. But, that's just me.
 
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Johnny Manzel has a better chance of getting picked up by another team than this disrespectful nut job... When San Francisco doesn't want you..well were do you go??? Finished..Maybe the Marines would take him and make him a MAN....
Too bad, when people who've been handed so much, chose to
I really can not fathom him saying that African Americans are oppressed in this country. They can do and be anything that they want and in many cases are given preferential treatment to achieve their goals. He's an idiot....and I've been rooting for him to succeed for years.
Thank your president for the increased divided radical actions we've witnessed. Kaepernick, like Obama functional inability to do their jobs are now overshadowed by racism they perpetuate.
 
It garnered attention, but did it garner positive attention? Are people really talking about social injustices or are they talking about what he did. Like someone else said, doing what he did is the easy way. It took little effort on his part. He doesn't really have to dig in and work for a solution to whatever issue he is "protesting". He still goes home to his million dollar mansion in a gated community after the game and doesn't do a darn thing to try to fix anything. IMO the intent was more to draw attention to himself. It will do squat to bring about any solution. But, that's just me.
Here's my thing with all of this:

People have tried every which way there is to call attention to discrimination, racism, police corruption, political corruption, (finish the list of the myriad difficulties that everyone and especially minorities have to face). All it ever gains is hard-fought, incremental progress AT BEST. Arguably there haven't been many gains in the last 30 years. There is no magic bullet that gets us to where we want to go as a country.

We sit here and act like if people just use their nice manners and ask us please, we're gonna go, "Ok, thanks for being so respectful! Here, we made everything equal and we ended racism!" It doesn't work like that.

We condemn it if they do nothing and say, "Look how bad the communities are and where are the leaders? Nowhere, they don't even care. They're not even trying. How lazy." Then when somebody tries to be a leader we condemn it and we say, "That's not the right way to go about it. Besides, you're rich so you're not allowed to try to champion any causes. How hypocritical."

It's interesting that in this very thread people are talking about how easily they can see that you're luckier and it's easier if you're born in a certain country. Those same people don't want to believe that you're luckier and it's easier if you're born in a certain skin.
 
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Too bad, when people who've been handed so much, chose to

Thank your president for the increased divided radical actions we've witnessed. Kaepernick, like Obama functional inability to do their jobs are now overshadowed by racism they perpetuate.
There it was. There's where it always goes and there's why I don't understand why these things don't get locked and deleted immediately.

It's always just a matter of time before, "Racism is Obama's fault" guy shows up.
 
Here's my thing with all of this:

People have tried every which way there is to call attention to discrimination, racism, police corruption, political corruption, (finish the list of the myriad difficulties that everyone and especially minorities have to face). All it ever gains is hard-fought, incremental progress AT BEST. Arguably there haven't been many gains in the last 30 years. There is no magic bullet that gets us to where we want to go as a country.

We sit here and act like if people just use their nice manners and ask us please, we're gonna go, "Ok, thanks for being so respectful! Here, we made everything equal and we ended racism!" It doesn't work like that.

We condemn it if they do nothing and say, "Look how bad the communities are and where are the leaders? Nowhere, they don't even care. They're not even trying. How lazy." Then when somebody tries to be a leader we condemn it and we say, "That's not the right way to do about it. Besides, you're rich so you're not allowed to try to champion any causes. How hypocritical."

It's interesting that in this very thread people are talking about how easily they can see that you're luckier and it's easier if you're born in a certain country. Those same people don't want to believe that you're luckier and it's easier if you're born in a certain skin.

I'm just going to take a stab at this and say welcome back TheBeav.
 
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Here's my thing with all of this:

People have tried every which way there is to call attention to discrimination, racism, police corruption, political corruption, (finish the list of the myriad difficulties that everyone and especially minorities have to face). All it ever gains is hard-fought, incremental progress AT BEST. Arguably there haven't been many gains in the last 30 years. There is no magic bullet that gets us to where we want to go as a country.

We sit here and act like if people just use their nice manners and ask us please, we're gonna go, "Ok, thanks for being so respectful! Here, we made everything equal and we ended racism!" It doesn't work like that.

We condemn it if they do nothing and say, "Look how bad the communities are and where are the leaders? Nowhere, they don't even care. They're not even trying. How lazy." Then when somebody tries to be a leader we condemn it and we say, "That's not the right way to do about it. Besides, you're rich so you're not allowed to try to champion any causes. How hypocritical."

It's interesting that in this very thread people are talking about how easily they can see that you're luckier and it's easier if you're born in a certain country. Those same people don't want to believe that you're luckier and it's easier if you're born in a certain skin.
Well said. My thoughts exactly
 
Don't think he has made a post for about a month and a half. He got into a spat with 4.6.3 when Pocher committed...not sure if he was banned because of that.

I get why peeps got into it with 4.6.3. Just didn't know that TheBeav got banned because of it. Hopefully, it's not a permanent vacation.
 
I get why peeps got into it with 4.6.3. Just didn't know that TheBeav got banned because of it. Hopefully, it's not a permanent vacation.
I hope this is not against board rules but I liked 4.6.3. I thought his posts were good. Just too darn bad he always felt a need to make things personal and argumentative. I hope he comes back here someday
 
Saw Bomani Jones talk about this on TV today (you can guess what side he was on). He said "If a white dude is driving down the street in a $100K car you think, that dude's driving a $100K car, but if a black guy is driving down the street in a $100K car you wonder where he got the money for the car"? (paraphrasing, but I'm really close) so then I couldn't help but think "DUDE, THE MERE FACT A BLACK GUY IN AMERICA CAN MAKE ENOUGH CASH TO BUY THE $100K CAR PROVES HIS POINT IS KIND OF POINTLESS"!!! Yeah, I think in caps sometimes.
 
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Saw Bomani Jones talk about this on TV today (you can guess what side he was on). He said "If a white dude is driving down the street in a $100K car you think, that dude's driving a $100K car, but if a black guy is driving down the street in a $100K car you wonder where he got the money for the car"? (paraphrasing, but I'm really close) so then I couldn't help but think "DUDE, THE MERE FACT A BLACK GUY IN AMERICA CAN MAKE ENOUGH CASH TO BUY THE $100K PROVES HIS POINT IS KIND OF POINTLESS"!!! Yeah, I think in caps sometimes.
I'm mosey and always wonder, color doesn't matter.
 
I hope this is not against board rules but I liked 4.6.3. I thought his posts were good. Just too darn bad he always felt a need to make things personal and argumentative. I hope he comes back here someday

I'm with you on that. I got along fine with 4.6.3 and enjoyed his sense of humor. I also understand why many would get into it with him.
 
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Never understood why the national anthem was played before games..Super Bowls, Finals World Series I get ...McNeese St vs SW Louisiana I dont ....just start the game already...Kap has every right to feel the way he does and with guaranteed money its not as big of a stance as its being made out to be
While I don't disagree with you, somehow I see this as a "look at me moment" rather than a sincere, thought out John Carlos-Tommie Smith social protest moment. But I may be misjudging his motives just as I probably did when Carlos and Smith did their thing. At the time I regarded them as pond scum.
 
when a demographic consistently votes exclusively for one party that demographic loses any political voice/influence they might have

the party they vote for knows they are going to receive these votes regardless and thus only has to provide lip service to the issues of importance to said demographic

and the opposing party knows that regardless of platform or policy they aren't going to receive these votes anyway so pay even less attention to these issues

rinse and repeat every election
 
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My opinion is that he's seen the future. His football career is over. He'll be replaced. Now he'll become a professional victim blaming others for his inabilities.

If he converts to Islam, he'll have to do something about the tatts referencing God & Christ.
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Here's my thing with all of this:

People have tried every which way there is to call attention to discrimination, racism, police corruption, political corruption, (finish the list of the myriad difficulties that everyone and especially minorities have to face). All it ever gains is hard-fought, incremental progress AT BEST. Arguably there haven't been many gains in the last 30 years. There is no magic bullet that gets us to where we want to go as a country.

We sit here and act like if people just use their nice manners and ask us please, we're gonna go, "Ok, thanks for being so respectful! Here, we made everything equal and we ended racism!" It doesn't work like that.

We condemn it if they do nothing and say, "Look how bad the communities are and where are the leaders? Nowhere, they don't even care. They're not even trying. How lazy." Then when somebody tries to be a leader we condemn it and we say, "That's not the right way to go about it. Besides, you're rich so you're not allowed to try to champion any causes. How hypocritical."

It's interesting that in this very thread people are talking about how easily they can see that you're luckier and it's easier if you're born in a certain country. Those same people don't want to believe that you're luckier and it's easier if you're born in a certain skin.

Here is the "magic bullet" that has not been tried. Heck, every time it has even been mentioned it has been shouted down from the highest level by the so called "leaders".

The first thing the government should do is adopt a policy to incentivize having a 2-parent family. A lot of the social ills and problems could be solved very simply with this simple act. It won't solve all the problems, nor would it happen overnight, but it would be a great start.
 
I hope this is not against board rules but I liked 4.6.3. I thought his posts were good. Just too darn bad he always felt a need to make things personal and argumentative. I hope he comes back here someday


He always made things personal and his favorite thing to do was belittle people constantly, seriously I don't know who the hell he thought he was.... Diffently had some Napoleon syndrome.
 
wonder if he realizes how lucky any Blacks who were forcefully introduced to the US via slaver really were. If they had stayed in Africa, or been shipped to Brazil or several other countries their future would have been dire. As it is, thanks to President Lincoln and our civil war, plus many laws passed then, we finally can say that in America, "all men are created equal." i know of no other country that has those words in their constitution or declaration of independence. Take a look at history Colin and look around you. I say that as a former member of the NAACP.

This is crap .....well.I'll say it....this is a BS, garbage, racist post.....people like this post is what he is talking about.

Lucky?.....No, that would be his ancestor, who was LUCKY enough to survive the middle passage.

Dumbest post in the history of this board...and it's shameful that it's on a Nebraska board.
 
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I'm a 49ers fan and used to be a Kaepernick fan, though his play and attitude these last few years has kind of diminished that second part. After seeing that, I'm done with him and if he is the starter, I probably won't be cheering for the Niners this year.

Same here. I can't believe I am rooting for Gabbert to have a great year. This feels like the Presidential election to me.
 
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