Yes. Sad but true. They will get crapped on until they start winning big games. Winning changes everything. Just ask James Franklin
Looking forward to the day when Sean E. is gone
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Yep. I guess we should have hired Scott Frost. Then the people who jump on every loss and every recruit we lost out on would be the ones making excuses.
So you're saying the majority of people in Nebraska should hate Tom?
At least we didn't have to wait until signing day to get shutout. Have a month to pick up some recruits. Do we save a few scholarships for next year since that class is so small?
I'm glad they're going after these recruits and I understand they're trying all they can to land them. I believe in our coaches and that the recruiting efforts will pay off. Wasn't knocking our coaches or their efforts.
So far Pelini was a better hire than Riley. Miles did make the tournament and has his team playing solid this year. I think Erstad was the weakest hire since the BIG baseball conference isn't usually very strong. We should probably be better. Riley isn't going to recruit any better than Pelini and his coaching staff is no better. We will probably be making a coaching change in two years. Williams looks like she is in way over her head. Yori was a very good coach. It will be for the best if Eichorst doesn't have a chance to hire anymore coaches.
Pelini was better based on what? Like I said before about Williams-Yori looked like she was in way over her head in her first season too Were you saying that when she was 8-20? At least Williams got the best player in the state to stay here with Taylor Kissinger-something Yori couldn't do with Chatrice White.
I don't know how you can say Pelini was a better hire than Riley. Same results, without all the BS. We certainately could have made better hires than Riley, but I feel much better about our program under him than under Pelini.
No offense intended your way, skylerh, it was meant for the doom and gloomers who are ticked and ready to fire the coaches and AD...
Unless these coaches pull a few rabbits out of their hats, this will be disappointing. They do have some big names which I am excited about, but the finish seems like it could be lackluster. I had high hopes (and still hope they finish with some surprises).
Their organizational skills, knowledge of Nebraska, etc, make me hopeful, but I don't know what this means for the future. Will next year be just like this with a lot of near misses? If this is the best we can hope for then they need to coach better.
Edit: just reread my post and no matter what, the coaches need to coach better. It isn't an option, and I never meant to suggest otherwise...
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Pelini had his teams in the Conference Championship twice in his first three years and was a play away from winning both. Riley will be lucky to make a Conference championship game in the next two years. Riley also took a 9 win team and turned them into a 5 win team in year one. Proper game management wins is 2-3 more games in his first year. I can see this year being Riley's best year win-loss wise. The schedule is going to get tougher and his recruiting is no better than Bo's. He will end up with a 20-30 type class. You can also add the fact Bo has also done well at Youngstown State right away to top it off.
Bunch of speculation and BS. Riley won 6 games last year, not 5 and I see no reason he can't win our division in the near future. And as far as Pelini, let's remember how weak the Big 12 North was and the talent level he inherited. The guy walked into Suh and Amukara. Who was the best player Riley inherited, Jano? And done well at Youngstown LOL.
Callahan recruits. He didn't do squat when Callahan recruits were completely off his roster.
And people question me when I say this fan base has a load of idiotic people. Thank you supersport for proving more proof.
The base of my original post is hiring a HC with a losing record at Nebraska. It would be different if he had 3 horrible years and two great years and showed progress. When youve coached for as long as he has history proves you are what your record says you are. Nebraska football deserves better.
To all my haters.....i dont care! I speak the truth, i want a winner. If my words hurt your feelings take your snowflake personality and get to a safe place.
Ive said all year most of our O-line was garbage and people said i was a hater. Guess what Cav produced a garbage dumpster fire. Truth hurts i understand but its still the truth.
Did i think MR would fire Reed, nope didnt think he would i was wrong but so were a lot of you. Nobody on this board is perfect. I do know this doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is crazy. MR had his best (or one of his best) years this year..... at 9 wins!!! Nebraska deserves better.
To all my haters.....i dont care! I speak the truth, i want a winner. If my words hurt your feelings take your snowflake personality and get to a safe place.
Ive said all year most of our O-line was garbage and people said i was a hater. Guess what Cav produced a garbage dumpster fire. Truth hurts i understand but its still the truth.
Did i think MR would fire Reed, nope didnt think he would i was wrong but so were a lot of you. Nobody on this board is perfect. I do know this doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is crazy. MR had his best (or one of his best) years this year..... at 9 wins!!! Nebraska deserves better.
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Confused... which head coach was hired with a losing record? Not Riley...
And for every coach you produce that does the same things at every stop he coaches at, I will produce 3 that did better in a new environment.
And most people who are somewhat supportive of Cav has said repeatedly that next year's line will show if he can coach or not. This year's line didn't start out as a dumpster fire, but got there fast once the injuries started piling up. But that's just an excuse to you so you don't see it that way.
Let me ask you this... is it wrong to see what Riley and company can do with primarily their own players? Seriously, I am genuinely curious. You seem to already have your mind made up that it won't matter... but isn't it right to give him a shot? And please don't say he already had his shot at Oregon state... I'm talking about here at Nebraska.
I hope Riley is here 10 more years and Eichorst retires here, just for the simple fact your life will remain miserable.
Wow your so right he has a career winning % of 53% ! Huge difference! ! Thats what we need at Nebraska a 53% winning coach!! If you like average continue living the way you are, some of us like championships!
Today coaches need to win using other coaches players. In your world MR should not have his record count for another 2 years so ALL ATHE PLAYERS are his. Please. Coaches today have to win using other coaches players.
If you think the problem with our line was JUST INJURIES you need eye surgery asap! Two of our starters at the beginning of the year had no business starting at a big 10 school. Cav & MR could of gotten JUCO's but didnt. Its on them. Continue living the average 53% you so love, i will strive for winning!!
First of all, you responded to the wrong person.
Nothing drives me nuts more than people who exaggerate in the wrong direction. You said he was under .500, which he clearly is not. Stop trying to sound like I'm the idiot here when you are the one spreading false info.
Why did Saban get better after going to LSU? 34-24-1 there compared to 48-16 at LSU. Then why did he suck in the pros? 15-17 over 2 years... But then when he went to Alabama he magically got better! He should have stayed the same record no matter where he went. Or what about Les Miles? 28-21 at Oklahoma state with .500 conference record? How the hell did he improve to 114-34 at LSU and 62-28 in conference play? Explain that to me Einstein!
Why didn't Charlie strong replicate at Texas what he did at Louisville? Same question for Hawkins from Boise State to Colorado?
The fact is, and this is true whether you like it or not, you don't know shit when it comes to what these coaches will do in the years to come, so stop pretending to be an expert here!
Edit: And by the way, please answer the question I asked earlier... Don't these coaches deserve to show whether they can compete with primarily their own players as opposed to the former coach's players? You conveniently ignored that question.
Illinois, although we all know the debate there. What else? BYU? A Hail Mary is hardly poor management. Wisconsin, just couldn't get a first down to run out the clock.
Don't you think most of those issues went away this year?
wow. What sort of maniac, that isn't paid by the university, is that invested in a sport that it brings out such hate and emotion?
I feel sorry for the people in your life that have to put up with that.
It's just amateur sports, I never understood how something you have no control of could control someone in such a way.
I feel sorry for the people in your life that have to put up with that.
It's just amateur sports, I never understood how something you have no control of could control someone in such a way.
byu was totally butchered. illinois was one of the worst ive ever seen. wisconsin was bad. losing to purdue ever is still just incomprehensible to me.
Their agenda only see 2015 plus three games in the 2016 season.
Riley's winning percentage: (all figures rounded)
54% at Oregon State (14 years)
58% at Nebraska (2 years) an increase of about 7%
Bo's winning percentage:
71% at Nebraska (7 years)
63% at YSU (2 years) a decrease of about 11%
What does all this mean? I guess it means a couple of things.
1) Where you coach at does have an impact. We are seeing a 7-11% variance in each direction in this limited data set.
2) It's a limited data set. Hard to draw big conclusions after 2 years.
3) Riley's winning percentage is lower than Bo's (again it's a limited data set)
Recruiting wise, it's easy to see the new staff works at it much harder than the old staff. No question. The type of offense Riley runs will require much more skilled talent, year after year though.
What can't be quantified, is the inter-personal skills. Riley is a much easier person for the media, fans and administration to deal with. I do think Bo was a much easier person for the players to deal with. There is no doubt his players would run through walls for him.
As to the AD, he is either going to be seen as extremely brilliant, or extremely stupid. I don't think he's that intelligent personally, but this does rest on his shoulders because this was the choice he made. You can't blame him for firing Bo though, that was what he was hired to do by Chancellor Perlman.
However, more and more, it looks like the program's success was sabotaged in lieu of having someone easier to work with for the administration. Under a certain lens, this could be viewed as a completely selfish act from the top leadership, tired of dealing with a coach and with little regard to the athletes involved, who then subsequently retires. That fart in the elevator belongs to Harvey.
So, in a nutshell, it is up to the fans of the program. Either they continue to demand excellence of the football program, or they will become complacent and allow Nebraska to become a fat lazy cat doing the minimum required to reap the big money afforded by the B1G.
54% at Oregon State (14 years)
58% at Nebraska (2 years) an increase of about 7%
Bo's winning percentage:
71% at Nebraska (7 years)
63% at YSU (2 years) a decrease of about 11%
What does all this mean? I guess it means a couple of things.
1) Where you coach at does have an impact. We are seeing a 7-11% variance in each direction in this limited data set.
2) It's a limited data set. Hard to draw big conclusions after 2 years.
3) Riley's winning percentage is lower than Bo's (again it's a limited data set)
Recruiting wise, it's easy to see the new staff works at it much harder than the old staff. No question. The type of offense Riley runs will require much more skilled talent, year after year though.
What can't be quantified, is the inter-personal skills. Riley is a much easier person for the media, fans and administration to deal with. I do think Bo was a much easier person for the players to deal with. There is no doubt his players would run through walls for him.
As to the AD, he is either going to be seen as extremely brilliant, or extremely stupid. I don't think he's that intelligent personally, but this does rest on his shoulders because this was the choice he made. You can't blame him for firing Bo though, that was what he was hired to do by Chancellor Perlman.
However, more and more, it looks like the program's success was sabotaged in lieu of having someone easier to work with for the administration. Under a certain lens, this could be viewed as a completely selfish act from the top leadership, tired of dealing with a coach and with little regard to the athletes involved, who then subsequently retires. That fart in the elevator belongs to Harvey.
So, in a nutshell, it is up to the fans of the program. Either they continue to demand excellence of the football program, or they will become complacent and allow Nebraska to become a fat lazy cat doing the minimum required to reap the big money afforded by the B1G.
Let's see... we did not run a west coast offense for 7 years under Bo, and for two years under Riley we ran a fusion of the previous offense with elements of the west coast offense mixed in. Hardly seems true to say then that it is an offense we can't break away from.
SE hired a mediocre nice coach who has never won a championship at any level. (Canada does not count) He brought his friends with him from Oregon St that in my opinion are average coaches. You get what you pay for. If MR does not turn this around in a few years both SE and MR will not be here. I hope MR can at least win the Big 10 West but after the way we played at the end of this year and the way recruiting is going I am not sure MR can turn this around.
