Basketball team will probably be giving them a call, but I still think if they are going to be spending money on smaller named schools UNO should be number 1 on the list
Liberty to move up to fbs
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Name someone who is not a hypocrite? It is a human failing.
I think it is great that Liberty has come this far. I would love to teach there, the learning environment would be awesome but then I am a hypocrite who ran Christian schools.
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In before the lock!. I'm still trying to figure out if the flood covered the entire world including Everest how did those people/animals breathe up there?
I am a Christian. But I accept evolutionary theory. I accept modern science and the non literal reading of the Genesis creation cycle narratives. I do not think there was a worldwide flood 5000 years ago, or a big ark from which all modern animals descended. To accept a literal reading of Genesis 1-11 is to reject all of modern science.
Liberty University hired the ex-Baylor AD in November. I find this very sad. The culture of the Baylor athletics caused something like 51 sexual assaults from student athletes to not get investigated and go unpunished. There was a win first attitude at Baylor. I would have expected better from Liberty University.
There are a bunch of assumptions being made about ANYBODY associated with Baylor during that time period and not all of them are correct. The politically correct thing to do would be for Liberty to avoid like the plague anybody with the word Baylor on their resume. Liberty is not worried about being politically correct. I would be very careful about believing everything you read as fact and painting their entire administration with a brush of guilt. Court filings by attorneys seeking large monetary rewards are not necessarily facts.
You're right. The AD should not be held accountable when football players are committing acts of rape and sexual assault against female students and female athletes at Baylor while going unpunished. There is no possible way he should have ever known what was happening in his Athletic Department. Thinking how little 52 cases is, really nobody should be held accountable.
It isn't like McCaw knew about any of this or that the text messages Baylor released show the Briles did indeed text McCaw with some of the legal information.
Liberty hired a piece of trash as AD and you are defending him. A fix for your response should be, The correct thing would be for Liberty to avoid McCaw. Liberty is a huge hypocrite in this case.
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/bayl...isconduct-football-players-court-record-shows
Here is another story from Waco that highlights McCaw also knew about other issues but failed to act in any way.
http://www.wacotrib.com/news/higher...cle_e329a2cf-c79d-5589-9f3e-941f09d5a94b.html
http://www.wacotrib.com/news/higher...cle_e329a2cf-c79d-5589-9f3e-941f09d5a94b.html
Dave Bliss might be available to take over the BB program. Could be a good situation for him, since Thou Shall Not Kill is clearly spelled out in the student handbook.
Again, you are quoting from a news article reporting what the alleged victim's attorney alleges in his civil lawsuit seeking monetary damages. That is not necessarily the facts as they happened. Even assuming it happened as stated and that the athlete indicated that she did not want to press charges, what exactly should you do? Kick the guys out of school with no evidence to support her claim? At some point there has to be some level of due process when people are accused of crimes and if a victim won't allow the police to become involved I think you are on very shaky ground. You don't know the details of the situation and neither does the media.
These text message releases were from when an assistant AD sued Baylor for money. Baylor then released the text messages to show they had no case and the case was withdrawn. Your basis of thinking this is about a victim wanting money is wrong. When you start with a false basis, your conclusion is often wrong.
The AD is responsible for what happens in the athletic department. Before McCaw was the AD at Baylor, there was no scandal about 52 rape cases and another 19 assault cases that both were not investigated or punished. As you state, there has to be some level of due process, yet under McCaw no investigations were ever conducted. This is a good example of lack of institutional control.
I don't know all the details of the situation, but from the releases texts messages we know part. That part is McCaw knew about conduct of the football players. McCaw did nothing about the arrests or accusations. There was no investigation. Just because of victim will not go to the police, that does not mean no action can be taken. As the AD McCaw should have known this.
I hear you - but why can I have a conversation with a Jesuit priest - and they understand that science and religion need to live side by side. Or the Pope for that matter - he gets it. The religious right here is the USA.....they don't get it - and it seems impossible to have a dialog of substance because they feel their moral prescriptions need to be absolute to work. That ain't governance for all. Which is what some Muslims want too - to ram their crazy shit down our throats.......so you see my dilemma. I see both sides are wrong.
First of all, I wasn't defending ANYBODY or anybody's actions. IF the victim was assaulted as ALLEGED, she should have gone to the police and I find it hard to believe that it wasn't suggested to her by somebody that she do that. She chose not to. As to 52 rape and 19 assault cases, how many of those were prosecuted? If they weren't prosecuted, why weren't they? There is a big difference between an alleged rape or assault and one that is prosecuted. I don't McCaw. Don't care about McCaw. I do care about somebody thinking they know the specifics of cases and making assumptions based on what is likely incomplete information. JMHO. You seem to come from the "String him up. It will teach him a lesson" school of thought. IF he is as culpable as you seem to be sure he is, I highly doubt that any university would have hired him let alone Liberty. I suspect they did a helluva lot more research in to the situation than you have done. They are a private school so they are dependent on parents wanting to feel safe sending their sons and daughters to them for an education. You make an emotional argument and call people horrible names when you admit you don't know the details of the situation. Rape is a horrible crime. Accusing somebody of rape falsely is almost as horrible. I don't know the specifics of each case therefore I defer to law enforcement.
I think you are seeing more and more diversity in the religious right. It has been ingrained in us that the Bible comes from the mind and heart of God. Thus, we need to accept and follow its dictates. For some that means taking everything literally. (This is one reason the church had a hard time with a round earth...multiple times the words "four corners of the earth" are mentioned.) Yet, nearly all of us (sans Kyrie Irving) believe in a round world today.
There are more and more of us who think that faithfulness to the scriptures has little to do with literalness. Even in the creation account we are UNFAITHFUL when we forcefully argue one way or another. Why? It's not the point of the text! The point is that God created. He could have started 13.7 billion years ago or 6,000 years ago. (Personally, I lean to the former.) However, when Tom preaches in the service on Genesis 1, his focus will always be...and God did this. To me, and I want to stress to me, that is being faithful.
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To have unquestionable answers to each and every question that could arise from the Christian beliefs is counter to "belief", "faith", etc.
I try not to get hung up on all of those little things, and focus on the overall messages which I believe Jesus did make abundantly clear for us.
I try not to get hung up on all of those little things, and focus on the overall messages which I believe Jesus did make abundantly clear for us.
My argument is not emotional. It is rational. Let me lay it out one more time. The facts that are available to the public is the text messages released by Baylor as well as the investigation Baylor conducted. The investigate Baylor conducted has cited football players have committed 52 cases of rape and 19 cases of abuse. Another fact is none of these were investigated by the Baylor administration. The text messages give proof that McCaw knew of at least some of these cases as well as other cases of football players getting preferred treatment when arrested. These are all NCAA infractions. Furthermore, the Athletic Director should be in charge of the Athletic Department. When these happen under their watch, they are responsible.
Exactly. It annoys me that our culture seems to take it as a given that biblical literalism and Protestant right wing fundamentalism are the "norm" for how most Christians think. Hogwash. Biblical literalism is a Johnny come lately in historical terms, and is largely a phenomenon of the American Bible Belt beginning in the late 19th century. This has NEVER been the approach of the early Church fathers, the Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox Churches, OR EVEN of the first Protestant reformers Luther and Calvin. Neither of them were biblical literalists.
Should some parts of the Bible be taken literally? Of course! But the Bible is an anthology of texts, a library of texts, and employs a variety of different literary genres. Thus it is simplistic, naive, and just plain ignorant and stupid to ignore these different genres (literal history, myth, poetry, legal code, moral code, purity code, midrash, prophecy, etc...).
Thomas Aquinas once wrote that one of the worst things a Christian can do intellectually, is to articulate views that make the faith look stupid. Being counter cultural and espousing unpopular truths is always central to the faith. But being stupid isn't.
So called "creation science" or "flood science" is not science. It is bad theology inventing even worse science in order to support the bad theology. Ugh.
There is zero scientific evidence supporting the literalist's claims and tons of evidence against it. I wish more Christians would come out and publicly call this nonsense for what it is: theological garbage
I am not going to jump in to the fray of debate, but for those who are wanting good information about the Flood, Creation, and other debates over science go to this web Answers in Genesis. I'm not sure if you've heard of Ken Ham but he has fantastic information that is very enlightening. Also for the Scholastic scholars out there that love great debates, look into this guy Russ Miller, some more great info that is very enlightening.
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The problem is in the first sentence. That website is helping me "to defend my faith" by giving a literalist view. The problem is that my faith is built on far more than whether or not a literalist view is accurate. My faith remains whether the earth is 6 billion years old or 6,000 years old. My faith remains if there was a universal flood that covered Mt. Everest or not. My faith remains if the earth is round or has four literal corners.
It seems odd to me that people need "to defend their faith" by focusing upon literalism in all the Bible says.
I approached this same subject this past Sunday - the basic question is must a Christian believe the Bible to be true? Then do you take the Bible literally? The problem is a verse that speaks about plucking your eye out and one that speaks about Jesus rising from the dead. I don't think we as Christians get a lot of options to pick and chose BUT they may not be in the areas of salvation which the Bible is clear on. At least to me.
I love those two questions. First, yes, I believe the Bible is true in all it intends to say. It doesn't mean I should or even am supposed to take everything literally. In my opinion one errors when Genesis 1 becomes more about the age of a rock rather than "God did it." In essence we have missed the point of the whole story.
I don't believe the account in Isaiah 11:12 that says God "will gather the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth." Will the Lord gather his people...yes. Will they be from the four corners of the earth? Since there are not four corners the answer is no. All of us make choices of what is literal or not.
North South East West, Book of Job the oldest book in the Bible talks of the earth being round and the stars of the sky singing. Stars do emit a sound (proved by NASA) More good stuff in there (Bible) The great barrier Reef is documented to be around 6000 yrs old, the oldest living tree is documented to be around 4500 yrs old
And there are fossilized living organisms that are 300 million years old.
I like your stuff about stars though. The ancient Greeks called it "the music of the spheres". The ancients connected music and math which was pure genius. The Bible clearly reflects this as well.
It's weird how a person can continually badmouth a former Husker QB, but then defend tooth and nail Baylor's old Athletic Rapist Director.
Not to pick a fight because I know how these apologetic issues go. But how can one be a Christian (the born again type that Jesus talked about), yet accept a "theory" and believe in "modern science"? Scientists state they only believe in things they can prove repeatedly but are OK with laying out some numbers for how old the earth is when there is zero proof, scientific or not. Now I am sure to get all sorts of links and more theories on this but really, if it is TRUE science it has to be proven. Even Darwin said it was a theory and he could be wrong. Later some people said, well he was right about evolution, where he was wrong was it just took longer to happen. Ah so now I get it. If I have one theory that the earth is much older to back up another theory that over time everything turned out the way it did by accident. Ever watch Jobe Martin? Interesting.
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In a related note, the Connecticut Post reports that an 18 year old woman has been charged with falsely reporting a rape that caused 2 football players to lose their scholarships and to be expelled from school last year. Sooo....over a year later, these guys have been cleared by police but I would venture to say that it's too late for them. You can't go around suspending everybody accused of something unless there is overwhelming public evidence or an admission that they did the thing they are accused of. Our society has gone way too far towards judging people who haven't had their day in court. She says, or the media says therefore you are.
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