What are the odds that we get one of these highly sought after wrs? Very slim chance we land them both, but whats everyone hearing on our chances of getting one? I think Lewis will be tough to pry away from USC, so I'm hoping we can get Lindsey away from the bucknuts.
Lewis and Lindsey
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If I were to take a shot in the dark, I would predict Lewis and Calvin to NU, with Lindsey to OSU. I have no idea what is going on in their heads though.
Given the WRs we have verbals from I think Bookie is wish 1 for me. Having him at CB makes your whole defense better.
I can see both N, but can see both not N too. Cool thing is we have a good shot at both. Bookie is my number 1 for 2018. STUD
I think they commit. Then decommit. Then commit somewhere else. Then decommit from there. Then recommit to NU. Then decommit again.
After that it's anyone's guess.
After that it's anyone's guess.
It'll be tough to land them both, but won't be disappointed if we don't land them. At least we are putting the full court press on. The last staff wouldn't even offer dudes like these two.
If I had to pick one of them I would want Lewis. Both are beasts though.
If I had to pick one of them I would want Lewis. Both are beasts though.
Rivals has a pretty recent story on these two and a couple others, but it is PRIOR to our camp. And we were in the discussion for both PRIOR to our camp. I do like our probability of getting at least one. It's so hard to know what's going to happen until it happens. Recruits say nice things about the places they visit, media and media bias reports embellish their stories. Just have to wait and see.
Gut says Lindsey is N, seems to have a good relationship with Williams, Calvin is 50/50, and the chances for getting Lewis are getting better but more of an uphill battle compared to the other two.
Just curious why so many people think it's so unlikely that we'd sign both players? Is it that we've become so jaded as fans that we can dream of NU doing something good but not doing something spectacular? C'mon people, let's put some positive vibes out there!
These two guys have different skillsets and would compliment each other well in the offense. Gotta have ALL the top WRs!
These two guys have different skillsets and would compliment each other well in the offense. Gotta have ALL the top WRs!
I'd be extremely disappointed if we don't land at least one of them! Lol. You are right though........Bo and his clowns would throw up the white flag and say it's just too tough to recruit to Nebraska!
The OP was looking for the odds of getting commitments. Can we get them all? Sure, they have all visited which is a huge step in landing these guys. Will we get them all? I would have to think the odds are more likely no than yes.
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As the PowerOfRed said, OP is about odds. I don't know where we sit in the pecking order for either of these two, and whether there is a clear leader. It's in my nature to consider the probability, as it removes my bias. Bullshitting and ballparking possible outcomes: 45% we get neither, 22% we get only Lindsey, 22% we get only Lewis, 11% we get both.
Nebraska is in the driver's seat for Joseph Lewis.
I think the 2016 Huskers will need to have a big season in order to close on Lindsey.
I think the 2016 Huskers will need to have a big season in order to close on Lindsey.
I'm 100% sure that making guesses on percentages is 100% a waste of time.
You're right, in the end they're made up numbers, and the point is. Why wouldn't I say we ARE getting both? Fans of other teams are thinking the players are a lock for their team. We think they are a lock for our team. "Lock" being the most extreme, most optimistic stance. The players will eventually pick one, and only one to sign with.
I hope both sign with us, that would be really good. Hope and odds are two different things.
And my point still stands. Signing day isn't until February. Even if Lindsey commits, I think Nebraska still needs a big season for him to stick.
I want to be wrong, but I think Lindsey goes to the Bucks. Was feeling 50/50, but feeling more 65/35. Think we land Calvin and Lewis. GBR
Yeah, I see Lindsey going to Ohio State and us getting at least Calvin, POSSIBLY Lewis, which would be a HUGE deal (do we really need more WR's after that?). What about Darnay Holmes, and if we got him, would he play WR or CB?
Any other prospects look like we're going to get a commit out of them soon?
Any other prospects look like we're going to get a commit out of them soon?
This is a huge point. IMO it caries in some way for half the class. Not only do we want to maintain the excellence; but we are building momentum into the following years. Beating UCLA was good medicine; seeing young players excel in season and some building towards the NFL- with on-field success ( W's );brings em on home. You fill out your class with big gets and momentum.
I don't think we end up with either. From what I've read, we should give these two our best shot, but our best bet is to go all in with Calvin. A WR class of Key Jr., McQuitty, and Calvin would be sick. A winning season with some good games from WR would help out immensely with both Lewis and Lindsey.
I actually think you are 100% right on this. I for one, and I think others on the forum, often forget that Key Jr isn't here just to recruit people, he's also one of the top receivers in the country. And McQuitty is also a 4 star, so if you add a high three/low 4 like Calvin in, you have three receivers who are going to serve the team VERY well over the next 4-5 years. And we're not even mentioning newer guys like Spielmann, returners like Pierson-El, etc, that are already part of the offensive arsenal and will remain so for the foreseeable future.
If we get Lewis or Lindsey (again, I'd say we have like a 50% chance at best on Lewis and a 20% chance on Lindsey), I will be super happy, but I'm not sure we're the powerhouse program we need to be yet to land guys like that on the regular. I also agree that a lot of landing 1 more elite WR is going to have a lot to do with how our WR's light it up this year. We definitely have the talent starting, but I am nervous about the arm of our starting QB; on top of that, even if they go with a much more stable strategy (run Tommy more than you throw with him), that kind of puts a damper on the WR performance.
The long and short of it is, I am MUCH more concerned with landing good offensive and defensive linemen right now than I am anything else.
To break that down:
I think we're good at QB (O'Brien and Gebbia).
We're good on WR's (I mean the list really is fairly long), and we're good on RB's (I know we want to take one in this class, but with Newby followed by Wilbon and Ozigbo, plus Tre Bryant coming on up, it's not a huge need right now).
We're actually MORE than good on LB's (and we landed one of the nation's top LB's this cycle and we've been landing good ones for 2-3 years now, thanks Coach Bray), and we're fantastic on CB's and S's going forward.
So really we need defensive linemen BAD. Our O-line got a huge shot of juice in the arm last year, so I would say it isn't quite the emergency that D-line is, but more is never a bad idea.
Just my two cents.
Oh, and the reason why Defensive Line worries me, and in particular Defensive Tackle, is that it takes years to build a player up to be able to be effective at the elite college level at DT; again, we've landed a lot of OT's lately (a position we badly needed), and a smattering of OG's, so this is why I don't see O-line as being quite the issue D-line is.
From the looks of it, we've actually landed some solid players for D-end (Daishon Neal, Ben Stille, Quayshon Alexander) that are going to be coming on up, and obviously we have the Davis twins at tackle, but it gets thin pretty quick after that. The only good news I see in the situation is, in about 2 years we're going to have two of the best DT's in the country, and they'll be genetically identical.
From the looks of it, we've actually landed some solid players for D-end (Daishon Neal, Ben Stille, Quayshon Alexander) that are going to be coming on up, and obviously we have the Davis twins at tackle, but it gets thin pretty quick after that. The only good news I see in the situation is, in about 2 years we're going to have two of the best DT's in the country, and they'll be genetically identical.
THANKS FOR THE GOOD THOUGHTS. Seems to me the coaches actions are mirroring along these lines.
/// They totally get it on the importance of dominant lines and state it often.
/// We have, and its going to the next level; a very productive offense.
/// We are going to have multiple people and various positions running the ball. Our TE Carter made some clutch runs last year. We will also be doing screens and many versions of high % passing. Goals being to put physical and mental pressure on a D - then we like to chuck it long ( either get lucky or catch them napping or leaning ). I think these are great plans. Our receivers go up so well at times; I wonder if I'm watching basketball.
/// We are getting assistants who are destination coaches; that brings in the recruits. Why get backed up where you have to be second team by second year or your out; we have coaches who can still find your position and coach you up in that situation.
I agree with all of the above! I think they are definitely laying the groundwork for an extremely productive team offensively, and we're getting the players to be darn good against the pass and at pass rushing on D. We just need some big fat dudes at DT to plug up running lanes and we're solid.
I'm not sure why. We have two good OL and DL on board that I can think of. Good start.
Oh totally, but they won't be game-ready until like 2019-2020. That's the point I was trying to make.
I see what you're saying with this. But it seems like Nebraska has had holes/thin spots on the roster for years. Either at DT, DE, LB, QB, TE, OL, S. We have always had two positions lacking depth, experience or, at worst, a quality starter.
Some of that was due to poor recruiting, some was due to unfortunate transfers/character issues/injuries.
But it sure feels that, with the current staff (with Hughes being gone), the roster management is on the upswing. It won't show for a couple years. But I feel really positive about the positions of need getting filled. Look at the focus on LBs a when the new staff came in, OTs this year, DEs last year and now look at all the DTs that are coming in and the 3-4 nice looking 2018 DTs that we have a shot at.
Once the new staff had all 'their guys' I hope to see a lot less of, 'oh my, we have 2 OTs this year' or 'wow, how can we only have 4 scholarship LBs???'
Oh totally! I am completely happy with how I see these guys recruiting, and it's even being noticed on a national level. You're right, some of this is just constant worrying, but our program is definitely trending up and I agree, in about 2-3 years we should really see the results on the field.
Oh, I have a random thought as well. Cameron Jurgens looks to be the best in-state recruit in a generation. Speaking of DE's, he is currently 6'4" and weighs 242. And he's only going to be a freaking Junior in high school! By the time he actually enters the program, he could very well be 255-260. Wouldn't we want him to trend towards DE? I mean, the dude is going to be a freaking monster. Not that tight end isn't a great position and all, but if you have a freak of nature like, wouldn't you want him on the D line where he can do some really nasty damage?
i think the philosophy with DE/TE's seems to be to recruit athletes and then let your strength and conditioning tell you where they end up. some hs te's end up as pretty good college OT's after they put on weight as an example. unless they're a pure pass catcher, that position has a lot of long term flexibility (h back, te, ot, fb, de).
and yes, jurgens is that lights out DE recruit we've been looking for IMO... the thought had definitely crossed my mind. i think 20 years ago they'd have put him there as a freshman and not batted an eye.
The question is where he wants to play.
I think I read somewhere that Jurgens said he is open to play anywhere (they were actually discussing LB after a camp), but is focusing on playing TE. I read it as, 'I want to be a TE, but I will do what is best for the team/my future.' But is sounds like he wants to be a TE. I am just happy to have the kid. At 6'4, 240 going into his JR. year, he could grow into 6'6, 265 lbs. Gronk-type TE. And that would be really fun.
That's true. Whether its wrecking quarterbacks or scoring points off of monster catches, I am just glad he's on the team!
Back to Lewis and Lindsey, the more I read about them the more I think about how important W's are this year. Win those close games and get double digit wins = more recognition to those 4* and 5* recruits. Lose those close games = the momentum stops fast. Lots of variables but at the end of the day we need those W's.
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