This tells me you don't know a whole lot about his situation at OSU...especially with Banker and Read.
Just to Clarify.
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That may be true… Or it could be simply that Riley couldn't be sure with the talent at OSU that the coaches were that bad. Now that he's at Nebraska, if certain things don't improve, he may be more willing to make changes. The reality is, none of us know for sure what he might be willing to do or not to do. You can claim to be in the know, but the reality is you don't know anymore than I do what Riley might do in the future.
I get that vibe too, but I'm sure he's finding out pretty quickly that pressure can come from a lot more areas in a program like NU.
Thanks being said...I think we'll be fine.
That's not what you want. You want us to listen to you and your eyes.
Spare me. Obviously my posts are my opinion based upon data and my interpretation of of what I watch. Duh.
1. Quarterback and Offense: It's been pretty good. We have scored at least four touchdowns in each game. Give credit to Riley and Langsdorf overall. I still think we would be better off running the ball a bit more since we are running it well...but no big complaints on scheme. Tommy has better mechanics and keeps his head better. He still needs to get above 65% on his completions but he is averaging a 100 more yards per game and has increased his efficiency rating to 140. His biggest problem is still turnovers.
I'm generally fine with this although I'm concerned with scoring a ton late in a game (e.g., Miami) since I felt Miami stopped playing hard/smart.
2. Receivers: Overall a real bright spot. They dropped a few passes on Saturday but they have showed good improvement. A real strength for the team...especially when Pierson-El returns. Williams deserves big credit with this group.
Good group and should be very good with D.P.E. back - but drops are drops. They are drive killers and put us in a bad spot early in the game offensively.
3. Backs: Newby has been pretty good. He is averaging 6.3ypc which is better than Ameer after his first three games last year (and Ameer played Miami and two patsies). Yes he needs to break more tackles but it is hard to argue with his production. Cross is the third and short back. Every time he has carried it on third and short this year the result is a first down. Eyeball wise these guys can get better. Hopefully Steward will bring that out...haven't seen it yet.
In my view, he has been good and not a whole lot better. The guy simply doesn't seem to make decisive moves and it's frustrating to watch at times. I'm hoping to see more of Wilbon soon as I've heard good things about him. The YPC data is fine and all but I don't think a person who watches live think our running game is anywhere close to what it needs to be - especially since right now we are passing the ball a lot.
4. Oline: This is the group everyone loves to hate. They are wrong. Coach Cav, to my surprise, has got these guys playing fairly well. We were better than Miami's backs on Saturday with "evidence-based arguments" (4.8 to 4.0 per rush). Tommy had decent time to throw...especially when not blitzed. When the blitz is coming Tommy needs to get better at getting rid of the ball quickly.
Disagree. The guard play has been poor and Reeves has major snapping issues. Not much else we can do though as I'm not sure backups are much better options at guard.
5. Run Defense: It's been good. Anytime you can hold a Miami to 4.0 ypc your front seven is playing just fine. There wasn't a huge pass rush when Miami was scoring like crazy. However, there is no way there could have been a rush. Most of the time Kaaya was releasing the ball at 2.4-3.2 seconds. (Get out your stop watch and watch Kayaa in the 1st quarter.) For example only twice in the first quarter did he look to a second receiver...and both of those were incompletions. Lack of pass rush had almost nothing to do with Miami scoring points. I would say Bray and Hughes have been adequate.
Agree. Our scheme is set to stop the run first and we have the (first string) tackles to do it.
6. Pass defense: Complete disaster. Guys are running free...dbacks are confused...technique is horrendous. This is a place where we thought we had players...a place where we have been very good in the past. To let BYU average 8.2 ypp and Miami to average 9.0 ypp is inexcusable. Much of the fault here goes to Stewart and Banker. The only silver lining is that the rest of the qbs we play with the exception of Cook flat out suck.
It hasn't been good; however, we are running scheme that gives far less safety help so that we can stack to stop the run. We are also blitzing a lot to try and generate a pass rush. Davie has obviously had physical challenges that have led to major mental hurdles. Take him out of the equation and things don't look so bad.
7. Special Teams: Another disaster. Not only have we had missed field goals and stupid punts, we keep getting boneheaded penalties here. Not lined up right on kickoff? Running into the holder on an extra point? Bruce Reed is a $400,000+ waste.
Brown was spotty last year and nobody is behind him. DPE is hurt. Foltz is hurt and there is nobody behind him. Coverage has been fine.
*Before people keep harping on the "it's only three games" stuff, we need to realized many of the things we have seen is what we warned about--not by OSU fans now--but by them back at the hiring. We were told:
1. Banker is a real problem. The OSU AD wanted him gone but Riley wouldn't do it.
2. Penalties. The last five years OSU has been bad and almost lead the nation last year in number of penalties...precisely where we are today.
3. Game management. One commentator wrote that Riley still might be at OSU but the fans had become sick of his game and clock management. We might have another win against BYU if we managed the clock.
4. Bruce Reed is a poor coach. We are seeing that here.
5. Coming out flat. We were told that this has been a problem with Riley teams. They make adjustments but only after not being ready to play.
6. We were also told that recruiting had passed Riley by. There last classes had become progressively worse. I don't know how recruiting will turn out for us but we certainly have been overwhelmed with results as of yet. However, there is still time to go.
I think context matters. Riley et al. did their thing in Oregon but I'm not of the opinion that is going to be the outcome in a new environment. There are many examples of this that have been discussed. Finally, I'm EXTREMELY pleased with recruiting. Every aspect of it appears to be sharp as a tack.
P.S. How hard was it to type your opinion instead of trolling everyone. Sheesh.
Spare me. Obviously my posts are my opinion based upon data and my interpretation of of what I watch. Duh.
1. Quarterback and Offense: It's been pretty good. We have scored at least four touchdowns in each game. Give credit to Riley and Langsdorf overall. I still think we would be better off running the ball a bit more since we are running it well...but no big complaints on scheme. Tommy has better mechanics and keeps his head better. He still needs to get above 65% on his completions but he is averaging a 100 more yards per game and has increased his efficiency rating to 140. His biggest problem is still turnovers.
I'm generally fine with this although I'm concerned with scoring a ton late in a game (e.g., Miami) since I felt Miami stopped playing hard/smart.
2. Receivers: Overall a real bright spot. They dropped a few passes on Saturday but they have showed good improvement. A real strength for the team...especially when Pierson-El returns. Williams deserves big credit with this group.
Good group and should be very good with D.P.E. back - but drops are drops. They are drive killers and put us in a bad spot early in the game offensively.
3. Backs: Newby has been pretty good. He is averaging 6.3ypc which is better than Ameer after his first three games last year (and Ameer played Miami and two patsies). Yes he needs to break more tackles but it is hard to argue with his production. Cross is the third and short back. Every time he has carried it on third and short this year the result is a first down. Eyeball wise these guys can get better. Hopefully Steward will bring that out...haven't seen it yet.
In my view, he has been good and not a whole lot better. The guy simply doesn't seem to make decisive moves and it's frustrating to watch at times. I'm hoping to see more of Wilbon soon as I've heard good things about him. The YPC data is fine and all but I don't think a person who watches live think our running game is anywhere close to what it needs to be - especially since right now we are passing the ball a lot.
4. Oline: This is the group everyone loves to hate. They are wrong. Coach Cav, to my surprise, has got these guys playing fairly well. We were better than Miami's backs on Saturday with "evidence-based arguments" (4.8 to 4.0 per rush). Tommy had decent time to throw...especially when not blitzed. When the blitz is coming Tommy needs to get better at getting rid of the ball quickly.
Disagree. The guard play has been poor and Reeves has major snapping issues. Not much else we can do though as I'm not sure backups are much better options at guard.
5. Run Defense: It's been good. Anytime you can hold a Miami to 4.0 ypc your front seven is playing just fine. There wasn't a huge pass rush when Miami was scoring like crazy. However, there is no way there could have been a rush. Most of the time Kaaya was releasing the ball at 2.4-3.2 seconds. (Get out your stop watch and watch Kayaa in the 1st quarter.) For example only twice in the first quarter did he look to a second receiver...and both of those were incompletions. Lack of pass rush had almost nothing to do with Miami scoring points. I would say Bray and Hughes have been adequate.
Agree. Our scheme is set to stop the run first and we have the (first string) tackles to do it.
6. Pass defense: Complete disaster. Guys are running free...dbacks are confused...technique is horrendous. This is a place where we thought we had players...a place where we have been very good in the past. To let BYU average 8.2 ypp and Miami to average 9.0 ypp is inexcusable. Much of the fault here goes to Stewart and Banker. The only silver lining is that the rest of the qbs we play with the exception of Cook flat out suck.
It hasn't been good; however, we are running scheme that gives far less safety help so that we can stack to stop the run. We are also blitzing a lot to try and generate a pass rush. Davie has obviously had physical challenges that have led to major mental hurdles. Take him out of the equation and things don't look so bad.
7. Special Teams: Another disaster. Not only have we had missed field goals and stupid punts, we keep getting boneheaded penalties here. Not lined up right on kickoff? Running into the holder on an extra point? Bruce Reed is a $400,000+ waste.
Brown was spotty last year and nobody is behind him. DPE is hurt. Foltz is hurt and there is nobody behind him. Coverage has been fine.
*Before people keep harping on the "it's only three games" stuff, we need to realized many of the things we have seen is what we warned about--not by OSU fans now--but by them back at the hiring. We were told:
1. Banker is a real problem. The OSU AD wanted him gone but Riley wouldn't do it.
2. Penalties. The last five years OSU has been bad and almost lead the nation last year in number of penalties...precisely where we are today.
3. Game management. One commentator wrote that Riley still might be at OSU but the fans had become sick of his game and clock management. We might have another win against BYU if we managed the clock.
4. Bruce Reed is a poor coach. We are seeing that here.
5. Coming out flat. We were told that this has been a problem with Riley teams. They make adjustments but only after not being ready to play.
6. We were also told that recruiting had passed Riley by. There last classes had become progressively worse. I don't know how recruiting will turn out for us but we certainly have been overwhelmed with results as of yet. However, there is still time to go.
I think context matters. Riley et al. did their thing in Oregon but I'm not of the opinion that is going to be the outcome in a new environment. There are many examples of this that have been discussed. Finally, I'm EXTREMELY pleased with recruiting. Every aspect of it appears to be sharp as a tack.
P.S. How hard was it to type your opinion instead of trolling everyone. Sheesh.
You got something against McGregors??Nike.of the status quo all the way around. Adidas is boring, their innovation and design is a joke, and they are the epitome of what I think of when I think of 9-3 football.
What's lower than that, New Balance? Reebok? APEX! Unless you want to break out some tearaway jerseys and hightop Converse, Nike should be 1 and 1a.
Before you point fingers at people who disagree with you, maybe you should look at your first post. THAT...is the prime definition of trolling!
Bullshit. You've been one of the better trolls around here for some time now.
When a poster in the thread started talking details I happily engaged. You came in much later.
@Tulsa Tom
I've got a follow-up questions for you about Banker. You're basing your opinion on previous paths laid by the coaches and the opinions offered by OSU fans. I think evaluating history is a perfectly reasonable way to think about the future; however, we both know the context is not the same when comparing OSU and DONU. We witnessed Bo Pelini defenses thrive when they had significant NFL-caliber talent (e.g., @NU, @OU, @LSU) but we also saw it look staggeringly bad when the talent pool became thin (e.g., the last couple of years). So what of Banker? Clearly OSU does not have the talent level that is obtainable at Nebraska - at least not across the entire breadth of the roster. So if recruiting goes well, and Banker is working with a far better set of athletes, isn't it perfectly reasonable to hypothesize that his defenses will look good? Let's say we added a couple stud DEs who can generate pressure, a thick set of LB depth, and a couple good corners. Wouldn't this defense look salty? Isn't that obtainable within a few years if talent evaluation, recruiting, and development go well?
P.S. I don't think we have to have the 'best available' conversation at all. When you hire a HC they want control of their own staff and Riley is on record having massive trust with Banker. So I think that point can be put to bed.
I've got a follow-up questions for you about Banker. You're basing your opinion on previous paths laid by the coaches and the opinions offered by OSU fans. I think evaluating history is a perfectly reasonable way to think about the future; however, we both know the context is not the same when comparing OSU and DONU. We witnessed Bo Pelini defenses thrive when they had significant NFL-caliber talent (e.g., @NU, @OU, @LSU) but we also saw it look staggeringly bad when the talent pool became thin (e.g., the last couple of years). So what of Banker? Clearly OSU does not have the talent level that is obtainable at Nebraska - at least not across the entire breadth of the roster. So if recruiting goes well, and Banker is working with a far better set of athletes, isn't it perfectly reasonable to hypothesize that his defenses will look good? Let's say we added a couple stud DEs who can generate pressure, a thick set of LB depth, and a couple good corners. Wouldn't this defense look salty? Isn't that obtainable within a few years if talent evaluation, recruiting, and development go well?
P.S. I don't think we have to have the 'best available' conversation at all. When you hire a HC they want control of their own staff and Riley is on record having massive trust with Banker. So I think that point can be put to bed.
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I think that is the hope that his scheme plays better in the Big10 with hopefully better athletes - but its pretty much a weak argument imo
His tenure as a DC has been average at best if you look at his defenses they really outside of one or two years in total have been bad - and this was even before the Pac12 became pass happy. Once that happened it became really bad.
By saying a guy with better talent and different conference becomes a better coach - I disagree with that. According to that line of reasoning a coaches previous record means nothing because you can always say it would be better in different situation.
Banker needs to do something he has been unwilling to do before:
1. Admit he has problems and start changing and growing as a coach
His tenure as a DC has been average at best if you look at his defenses they really outside of one or two years in total have been bad - and this was even before the Pac12 became pass happy. Once that happened it became really bad.
By saying a guy with better talent and different conference becomes a better coach - I disagree with that. According to that line of reasoning a coaches previous record means nothing because you can always say it would be better in different situation.
Banker needs to do something he has been unwilling to do before:
1. Admit he has problems and start changing and growing as a coach
I don't really see it as an argument - more of a hypothesis.
The reality is that his results at Oregon State were always with talent that is nowhere near what we should be routinely producing here. So that history is relevant but only in a certain context. I just don't see how one can use historical evidence without consider the context. The guy wasn't the DC at Oklahoma, LSU, or Alabama.
Loyalty to assistants is only bad if it is without proper leadership, resources and support to make improvments. Everybody wanted McBride gone, but the staff hung toether and made the changes that needed to be made.
Believers, not a Nebraska fan, go find another team, yada yada.
If you're not onboard with this staff 100%, you're against the clan, buddy.
Believers, not a Nebraska fan, go find another team, yada yada.
If you're not onboard with this staff 100%, you're against the clan, buddy.
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