Would you say there is anything to be excited about with our O Line? Maybe Cav sucks too?
Again, game three...
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Again, game three...
I have seen this posted several times recently that Riley would make the tough call and replace coaches if needed.
You guys are dreaming if you think this is true - no coaches are ever going to be replaced. What we have is either going to make it or the whole staff will not make it. These guys are tight very tight , it is also very possible Riley " was ready for one last adventure" because OSU was pressuring him to make assistant coaching changes and he took the position to protect these coaches
Last year he threw the ball 345 times and ran it 145 times. That greater than a 2:1 ratio.
https://nebraska.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=453255
This is non-sense. I addressed a number of issues surrounding the ST play and this is your response? Sorry your not stimulated.
So what's your source? You obviously have an in to what Riley is thinking... Cool
Look, I hear what you're saying, and I can't say I disagree with you 100% either... I do wonder if things don't work out with the assistant coaches, what will Riley do? And I get that some people want to talk about that even though it is just three games into his first season here, but a lot of us are already tired of the consistent and persistent questions when it is only game three.
I don't care what your profession is, if you are making mistakes early on in said profession, you will be given time to address those mistakes and work them out. What is the accepted time frame for that to happen before we say "this is a pattern that can't be fixed, time for you to move on"?
Whatever it is, I don't think it's game three. And we can talk about it some more, but just as some get upset when people say "give them time," others get just as upset when it is said, "Things aren't gonna get better." You may not have said this, but many others have.
By the end of year two Riley will have one recruiting class on campus. It's crazy to suggest we know him at that point when we haven't seen what he can do with a roster he has selected, recruited, and worked to develop with his staff.
Five years is the minimum for a coach unless it is a massive failure.
I agree. After 3 years I thought Pelini was going to be the next Nick Saban. After 3 years we may see a pattern, but a coach needs 5.
Here is an article that addresses to some extent - Riley met with the OSU AD and that AD wanted a change to assts contracts - hours after that NU called
http://portlandtribune.com/pt/12-sp...g-decision-to-leave-oregon-state-bittersweet-
Again, I do have reservations about what happens if changes appear to be needed. Will Riley make those changes? I can't say I am 100% confident he will. Maybe not even 50% confident...
The bigger issue for me is the time frame before we start throwing the mud around... I feel like it's too early, as do many others. On the other hand, there are many such as yourself who are fine with throwing it out there for conversation. I'm not sure we are a fan base ready to come to some middle ground. I wish we were, but there aren't many signs suggesting that to be the case.
I responded to a comment in this thread that stated if changes needed to be made they were confident Riley would make them in regards to staff - I did not bring it u I just responded to it that I did not feel that was case
I get that, I had also weighed in a little, which is why I responded. But to be fair, the response box showed my post. That's also why I responded.
So how exactly does that piece of information lead to your hypothesis. One could imagine many possibilities for that time frame and many are completely innocuous.
Not to mention that it doesn't really change anything. SE and HP had made their move so the rest of the details really don't matter. That's why SE will leave town as well if things look really bad in 5-6 years.
A coach who basically has a lifetime contract at OSU who has turned down other offers but had in the last few years fallen off on the football field as far as results just all of the sudden says" maybe its time for a new job"
OSU was not happy with the defense and other areas but Riley was kind of like their own Devaney - he was safe no matter what based on what he had previously done. The OSU fans and boosters were torn a bit - everyone liked Riley the man but hated the product on the field as of late.
The OSU AD wanted some change hence the assistants contracts - Certainly this factored into his acceptance at NU - I do not believe there was any way he would have left without these guys as they would probably not have been kept on with a new staff. I also firmly believe his decision also involved these guys - so multiple assistants know they are on the hotseat - Riley comes to them and says hey we can go to Nu and I can give you guys raises - what do you think? - of course they were in favor of the move - It should also be noted that some the most highly thought of assistants decided to stay
Um - yeah - so who cares?
Riley clearly wanted to bring in his own staff - that's what every new coach does - it also stands to reason that a coach brings guys they have worked with and trust.
If changes need to be made, and he doesn't make them (as you suggest), then we will struggle and both Riley and SE are on the way out.
Nothing new to talk about here. We won't really know what we have until around year four; though, we will have some annecdotal evidence before that point.
agreed - which is why I did not bring up initially in the First Place - I was responding to other posters but you 100% correct it does not matter as nothing will change for awhile. Lets hope they are the right guys becuase they are certainly a good fit with NU in almost all aspects ( as long as they can coach and win)
I'm trying not to compare the 2, but Saban really wasn't that great at MSU when he was there. Had big brother in the state that was tough to recruit against, far smaller budget (guessing). He goes to LSU and goes 8-4 in his first year. I don't think his first year at Bama was spectacular compared to their standards either. I'm willing to give everyone on this staff a chance. We're 3 games in. It's going to be OK.
That's not what you want. You want us to listen to you and your eyes. Just look at what has taken place in games.
1. Quarterback and Offense: It's been pretty good. We have scored at least four touchdowns in each game. Give credit to Riley and Langsdorf overall. I still think we would be better off running the ball a bit more since we are running it well...but no big complaints on scheme. Tommy has better mechanics and keeps his head better. He still needs to get above 65% on his completions but he is averaging a 100 more yards per game and has increased his efficiency rating to 140. His biggest problem is still turnovers.
2. Receivers: Overall a real bright spot. They dropped a few passes on Saturday but they have showed good improvement. A real strength for the team...especially when Pierson-El returns. Williams deserves big credit with this group.
3. Backs: Newby has been pretty good. He is averaging 6.3ypc which is better than Ameer after his first three games last year (and Ameer played Miami and two patsies). Yes he needs to break more tackles but it is hard to argue with his production. Cross is the third and short back. Every time he has carried it on third and short this year the result is a first down. Eyeball wise these guys can get better. Hopefully Steward will bring that out...haven't seen it yet.
4. Oline: This is the group everyone loves to hate. They are wrong. Coach Cav, to my surprise, has got these guys playing fairly well. We were better than Miami's backs on Saturday with "evidence-based arguments" (4.8 to 4.0 per rush). Tommy had decent time to throw...especially when not blitzed. When the blitz is coming Tommy needs to get better at getting rid of the ball quickly.
5. Run Defense: It's been good. Anytime you can hold a Miami to 4.0 ypc your front seven is playing just fine. There wasn't a huge pass rush when Miami was scoring like crazy. However, there is no way there could have been a rush. Most of the time Kaaya was releasing the ball at 2.4-3.2 seconds. (Get out your stop watch and watch Kayaa in the 1st quarter.) For example only twice in the first quarter did he look to a second receiver...and both of those were incompletions. Lack of pass rush had almost nothing to do with Miami scoring points. I would say Bray and Hughes have been adequate.
6. Pass defense: Complete disaster. Guys are running free...dbacks are confused...technique is horrendous. This is a place where we thought we had players...a place where we have been very good in the past. To let BYU average 8.2 ypp and Miami to average 9.0 ypp is inexcusable. Much of the fault here goes to Stewart and Banker. The only silver lining is that the rest of the qbs we play with the exception of Cook flat out suck.
7. Special Teams: Another disaster. Not only have we had missed field goals and stupid punts, we keep getting boneheaded penalties here. Not lined up right on kickoff? Running into the holder on an extra point? Bruce Reed is a $400,000+ waste.
*Before people keep harping on the "it's only three games" stuff, we need to realized many of the things we have seen is what we warned about--not by OSU fans now--but by them back at the hiring. We were told:
1. Banker is a real problem. The OSU AD wanted him gone but Riley wouldn't do it.
2. Penalties. The last five years OSU has been bad and almost lead the nation last year in number of penalties...precisely where we are today.
3. Game management. One commentator wrote that Riley still might be at OSU but the fans had become sick of his game and clock management. We might have another win against BYU if we managed the clock.
4. Bruce Reed is a poor coach. We are seeing that here.
5. Coming out flat. We were told that this has been a problem with Riley teams. They make adjustments but only after not being ready to play.
6. We were also told that recruiting had passed Riley by. There last classes had become progressively worse. I don't know how recruiting will turn out for us but we certainly have been overwhelmed with results as of yet. However, there is still time to go.
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One more thought. When we have to give opinions on current talent we have a bunch of gurus here who are like me...Monday morning quarterbacks. However we have heard from numerous people that this team has the talent. Sam McKewon follows the team everyday and follows recruiting...he said there is plenty of at least nine win talent if not more. We heard the Big Ten Network guys say we have the most talent in the West. We heard our own AD...you know...the guy who gets paid more than a million bucks to over see the sports program and particularly football say that we have the talent on the team to win championships.
Now..which evidence is most convincing?
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Or even what a player from a team you have played says
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2015/09/terrell_newby_nebraska_run_pas.html
South Alabama safety Roman Buchanan said Newby's success started with the guys up front blocking for him.
"That was probably one of the best offensive lines I've played since I've been in college," Buchanan said. "I knew from the beginning just watching this team (on film) that this was a very fundamentally sound team. In some places, they weren't as athletic as some of these SEC teams we play, but as far as technique and getting after it everywhere, receivers blocking -- they play real team ball. (Newby) had a good game because of those 10 guys in front of him."
I think most on this board would agree, and I have seen many say this, we have a lot of talent on the offensive side of the ball. For the most part, that has been seen in the games we have played.
On defense we are struggling. A big part of that is injuries, but all teams deal with injuries. However, the talent pool for us seems to be shallower on defense than on offense. Call it injuries, call it attrition, call it whatever you want, most objective people do recognize we lack the big names on defense.
And Tom, I will grant you Sam, I will grant you Big 10 analysts, but please stop with eichorst. You have latched on to his comments and even made it your line at the bottom of each post. His words are words any AD would have spoken about this team. Would you prefer he tell the truth and say we weren't good enough to win championships? Which AD says that about their school?
Yes, that, but the AD also wanted Banker fired.
Stevie P. told it straight as he saw it. At least he had some balls to tell us what he believed.
Touché... Good call on Pedey.
My read of eichorst was that he already was the bad guy in the eyes of the players for canning Bo. Why make them hate you even more by saying they aren't good enough to compete?
This team does have the talent when healthy but we are not healthy. Losing DPE was huge, losing MRI, Bando, and Jack is huge. Young and VV are far from 100%. If we had quality replacements for those injured then the talent issue would be moot. Instead we are forced to replace them with walk-ons or guys not nearly as talented. If we can get all these players back and stay healthy then and only then do we have a shot in the Big 10 championship game.
My reply above somehow came out as part of a quote... srry bout dat.
It was supposed to read:
Nope...anything over 3 years and the last two years with a poor performing coaching staff causes recruiting to fail ... and then we are stuck with the same situation we have right now... from the previous staff which was here too long.
3 years and we will have all the answers... in fact we will know after 2 years.
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Bo's pass defense was generally good because he kept the safeties deep to help the corners. At all costs. That helped lead to historic rushing games against us. Didnt work in the B1G conference.
Bruce Reed would look good with DPE and Foltz healthy.
Obviously having those guys back would help. But the reason we are 1-2 is not those positions. The problem has been in the secondary...period. When Kayaa looks at his first receiver and throws immediately line play doesn't matter. Better technique and better scheme from the secondary puts us at 3-0...a place where there plenty of players and should be a strength.
I gave Bo a while but I knew without a doubt in 2010 he would never win anything of merit. I will give Riley at the very least two seasons.
I agree with this, in fact, I believe the roster is going to look significantly different again in 2016 except for a few starters, the supporting cast is going to change quite a bit is my guess.
True...very true. I am not even sure we have to improve in the secondary with the dearth of qb talent. It's going to make for some really, really unwatchable games.
Give us a better scheme we should run and dont say Bo's scheme unless you have a clue how to stop the run. Cant play pass D without a pass rush.
I think it made a big difference against BYU not having Rose and Rose available.
I do agree with you the scheme needs tweeked. The scheme they are running, similar to MSU and OSU's, i love it for this conference. But it doesnt work without a good pass rush. Since we don't have that they do need to run something between their's and Bo's this season.
You can't change every week but if you have a guy who is getting burned two weeks in a row and you leave him in the game at least give him some safety help over the top...particularly if the qb can wing it like Kaaya.
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If we have to pick our poison you are absolutely correct - I just cannot believe we have to be either/or
At the very least to start the game - I think the whole stadium knew they were going to go after Davie on the first series - a little help for him could have saved some of his confidence
I don't think we will have to in the future. I prefer this scheme over Bo's in this conference. We need DE's really really badly.
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