Just to Clarify.

[Archie Graham]

Bo Pelini has ben fired.

Mike Riley is now our HC and whether he will take us to the next level is not yet clear.

Regardless of Riley's success Bo Pelini should have been fired.

 

[headcard]

Anyone that doesn't understand that isn't worth trying to convince.

 

[GBR_Atlanta]

Also...and this is most important...and frankly I'm ticked that it hasn't been debated about more often...Do we think Nebraska should have Nike or Adidas?

 

[otismotis08]

Also...and this is most important...and frankly I'm ticked that it hasn't been debated about more often...Do we think Nebraska should have Nike or Adidas?

I think we should break away from the pack and go with Puma. You know, the red velour shoes that turn your socks pink.

 

[GBR_Atlanta]

I think we should break away from the pack and go with Puma. You know, the red velour shoes that turn your socks pink.

That's fantastic. If we stick with Adidas I say we go no laces style like Run DMC.

 

[DCBloodRed]

Also...and this is most important...and frankly I'm ticked that it hasn't been debated about more often...Do we think Nebraska should have Nike or Adidas?

Nike. of the status quo all the way around. Adidas is boring, their innovation and design is a joke, and they are the epitome of what I think of when I think of 9-3 football.

What's lower than that, New Balance? Reebok? APEX! Unless you want to break out some tearaway jerseys and hightop Converse, Nike should be 1 and 1a.

 

[z28craz]

Nike. Every time I go buy new Husker gear I just shake my head at how awful the designs are. I have, for the longest time been anti Nike. But there's no denying their superiority.

 

[Wasker77]

Holy Cow! Archie! Every time someone expresses disappointment with Husker football are you going to bring up Bo Pelini? BO IS GONE!!! Let's talk about what happens in Lincoln and not Youngstown, Ohio.

Bo Pelini has ben fired.

Mike Riley is now our HC and whether he will take us to the next level is not yet clear.

Regardless of Riley's success Bo Pelini should have been fired.

 

[Hoosker Du]

I think we should break away from the pack and go with Puma. You know, the red velour shoes that turn your socks pink.

Puma "Clydes." 7 pounds each and could ruin your entire sock droor.

 

[Tulsa Tom]

Nobody wants Bo...but a lot of people want to talk about him to deflect from real conversation about what is happening on the field.

 

[Wasker77]

I can't disagree with you any stronger. I find Adidas products far superior to Nike. I play a lot of golf and wear mostly Adidas golf clothes and shoes. Why would any Nebraska fan want to contribute any money at all to evil Phil Knight and his empire that just happens to include the Oregon Ducks? I gues you have to live in the Northwest to understand my disdain for the Ducks. My brother is a UW Husky who lives in Beaverton, the evil empires headquarters, and he won't wear Nike at all. Even though UW is a Nike school.

Nike. Every time I go buy new Husker gear I just shake my head at how awful the designs are. I have, for the longest time been anti Nike. But there's no denying their superiority.

 

[red rover 70]

Holy Cow! Archie! Every time someone expresses disappointment with Husker football are you going to bring up Bo Pelini? BO IS GONE!!! Let's talk about what happens in Lincoln and not Youngstown, Ohio.

You're damn right we're gonna call a spade a spade. And thank Mike Riley that he's 10x's the man Pelini is. He's being a stand up guy working hard to right the ship without calling out Pelini. But i don't have to be as kind as he is. I wish we had one day a week where we could speak are mind without any filters. I would have smoke pouring out of your device.

 

[Hoosker Du]

Nike. of the status quo all the way around. Adidas is boring, their innovation and design is a joke, and they are the epitome of what I think of when I think of 9-3 football.

What's lower than that, New Balance? Reebok? APEX! Unless you want to break out some tearaway jerseys and hightop Converse, Nike should be 1 and 1a.

New Balance has always lasted longer for me than Nike. Plus, they are black and silver and don't have ridiculous colors, like most Nike shoes. Trail shoes that I've had for app. 3 1/2 years, whose soles have finally worn down. Still not a thing wrong with the upper.

 

[GBR_Atlanta]

I FOUND THE ANSWER. WHY WOULDN'T WE GO WITH THE SHOES THAT MAKE YOU RUN FASTER AND JUMP HIGHER. Seriously...our D-Ends will have Crouch speed with some PF Flyers!

 

[headcard]

You're damn right we're gonna call a spade a spade. And thank Mike Riley that he's 10x's the man Pelini is. He's being a stand up guy working hard to right the ship without calling out Pelini. But i don't have to be as kind as he is. I wish we had one day a week where we could speak are mind without any filters. I would have smoke pouring out of your device.

Message Board Festivus.

 

[WuTang_Husker]

Nobody wants Bo...but a lot of people want to talk about him to deflect from real conversation about what is happening on the field.

Actually I see very few people wanting to talk about what is happening on the field(lack of talent at key positions, key injuries etc.) Instead I see a lot of people ready to label the Mike Riley era a failure in just 3 games. Those are the same people who gave the last HC 7 years(and wanted to give him more) which is why that POS is even brought into the conversation.

Trolls gon Troll though. Right?

 

[red rover 70]

Message Board Festivus.

I'm talking once a week. Or at least till all the slash and burn "Husker Fans" find their way to a YSU site.

 

[NikkiSixx]

Nike

Adidas are for losers

 

[Tulsa Tom]

Actually I see very few people wanting to talk about what is happening on the field(lack of talent at key positions, key injuries etc.) Instead I see a lot of people ready to label the Mike Riley era a failure in just 3 games. Those are the same people who gave the last HC 7 years(and wanted to give him more) which is why that POS is even brought into the conversation.

Trolls gon Troll though. Right?

Not one person is calling for Riley's head. However l still hear this theme of how Riley needs time. EVERYBODY believes that. But there is not any reason why the coaching performance should not be discussed. Many of us are clued into the trolls who will take every opportunity to deflect from Riley and lay that at the feet of our "sucky" players. We get your narrative...we just wish we could have rational discussion.

 

[timnsun]

Not one person is calling for Riley's head. However l still hear this theme of how Riley needs time. EVERYBODY believes that. But there is not any reason why the coaching performance should not be discussed. Many of us are clued into the trolls who will take every opportunity to deflect from Riley and lay that at the feet of our "sucky" players. We get your narrative...we just wish we could have rational discussion.

what board are you reading Tom? There are plenty of people that are claiming this was the worst hire we could've ever made. Even a thread title says this is the death of Nebraska football… Now I grant you that people have not literally said Mike Riley should be fired right now, but there are plenty of posts that would suggest that's what people believe. Please don't patronize us and say no one is calling for his head.

 

[timnsun]

I guarantee you we just want rational discussion as well. It goes both ways… I agree with you Tom, there are a lot of posts about Pelini that are unnecessary. At the same time, there are far too many posts about this hire being a disgrace as well. It does go both ways.

 

[Archie Graham]

Not one person is calling for Riley's head. However l still hear this theme of how Riley needs time. EVERYBODY believes that. But there is not any reason why the coaching performance should not be discussed. Many of us are clued into the trolls who will take every opportunity to deflect from Riley and lay that at the feet of our "sucky" players. We get your narrative...we just wish we could have rational discussion.

Post your analysis of all positions.

 

[Archie Graham]

Bump for Tom

 

[Hoosker Du]

Not one person is calling for Riley's head. However l still hear this theme of how Riley needs time. EVERYBODY believes that. But there is not any reason why the coaching performance should not be discussed. Many of us are clued into the trolls who will take every opportunity to deflect from Riley and lay that at the feet of our "sucky" players. We get your narrative...we just wish we could have rational discussion.

Good grief, you are as irritating as sh*t. Now I fully understand why people want to bury a spoon in their orbital socket during an exchange with you.

If you want to continue to believe that Newby is even remotely as good as Ameer, or Gangwish is close to Gregory's talent level, that's on you. The fact is..the rest of us understand when another person says that our RBs just don't give them confidence; or that our DEs just don't get any pressure; or that our OLine isn't moving the LOS. That could be considered talent and/or coaching. Who knows for sure what is ultimately causing the issues.

The rest of us understand that we are just stating what we see. We have no agenda. We don't dislike our players. We honestly want to see ALL of them do well, become All Americans, and sign NFL contracts, if they so desire. If they are doing well, the team is doing well.

For some odd reason, you continue to ruminate on this talent issue and make it a recurring point of contention. You refuse to admit that maybe you are the one with an agenda. An agenda that supports Blow's recruiting, when we know for a fact that he and his staff repeatedly undersigned in their classes. THAT IS an indictment of that staff's ability to bring in appropriate numbers of players, and ultimately more depth and competition at positions.

 

[Tulsa Tom]

Good grief, you are as irritating as sh*t. Now I fully understand why people want to bury a spoon in their orbital socket during an exchange with you.

If you want to continue to believe that Newby is even remotely as good as Ameer, or Gangwish is close to Gregory's talent level, that's on you. The fact is..the rest of us understand when another person says that our RBs just don't give them confidence; or that our DEs just don't get any pressure; or that our OLine isn't moving the LOS. That could be considered talent and/or coaching. Who knows for sure what is ultimately causing the issues.

The rest of us understand that we are just stating what we see. We have no agenda. We don't dislike our players. We honestly want to see ALL of them do well, become All Americans, and sign NFL contracts, if they so desire. If they are doing well, the team is doing well.

For some odd reason, you continue to ruminate on this talent issue and make it a recurring point of contention. You refuse to admit that maybe you are the one with an agenda. An agenda that supports Blow's recruiting, when we know for a fact that he and his staff repeatedly undersigned in their classes. THAT IS an indictment of that staff's ability to bring in appropriate numbers of players, and ultimately more depth and competition at positions.

Always gotta get a crack at Bo and his players...#keepyourtrolling. #makethenarrativestrong

 

[Archie Graham]

Thanks for the 'rational discussion' surrounding the position groups. Hell of a 'rational' response to HD. You're a complete joke, Tom.

 

[Hoosker Du]

Always gotta get a crack at Bo and his players...#keepyourtrolling. #makethenarrativestrong

Like I said, irritating as sh*t...and devoid of any data countering the fact that Blow didn't fill his classes. Not only did he not fill his classes, he was always scrambling in January to fill his 17-recruit classes with marginal players (reaches).

BTW, give the hash tags a rest. That feeble attempt to accentuate a post is soooo played, and more often accentuates a lack of content.

OK, I'm done. Even though I disagree with Tom, I don't like ganging up on a guy. I'm sure Tom is an OK guy. Even though I disagree with his stance on this topic, he does some very important work in the community, and I have to tip my hat to him.

 

[jawbreakingsafetyplay]

For some Ivy League educated genius, trollbag sure has the reading comprehension of an ice cube. Still waiting for those hot takes about the on field things you clamored about. Don't let facts get in the way of trolling.

 

[SnohomishRed]

Bo Pelini has ben fired.

Mike Riley is now our HC and whether he will take us to the next level is not yet clear.

Regardless of Riley's success Bo Pelini should have been fired.

Agreed and Riley will get sufficient time to show what he can do but lets be honest here

* Since the hiring all we heard was Riley will do much better here because of the talent level - now many of the same people are saying the losses are due to talent level
* All summer we heard from this staff that they were going to meld offensive systems together and maximize the players on the team - Instead what we have seen is exactly what I have seen for years at OSU - same exact thing no change
* Every time someone points out coaching issues or even tries to discuss issues they are called an idiot- moron - retarded - stupid etc.... and of course are labeled a Boliever and told to go follow Youngstown state - should we not be able to discuss the pros and cons of the staff and their decisions
* I am most concerned about the excuses being used yes we are thin in some positions but clearly that is not the entire reason we are 1-2 - There have been some coaching mistakes that have greatly contributed to this start

This staff will have plenty of time to show what they can do - but for those of you now suggesting this program is in complete rebuild mode - guess what that is not going to happen - Riley cannot blow this up and then take 4-5 years to rebuild he does not have that type of time

 

[WiscoSker]

Bo Pelini has ben fired.

Mike Riley is now our HC and whether he will take us to the next level is not yet clear.

Regardless of Riley's success Bo Pelini should have been fired.

To me, it's just the precedent we set by firing Pelini. No doubt he was an abrasive ass in many ways, and was asking to get canned after the Iowa game.

To me, it's about wins and losses. Winning "the right way" is secondary, unless we're talking about cheating.

I just think it's rather risky to put all our eggs in one basket in hopes that a coach with a shaky w-l history turns over a new leaf.

 

[Archie Graham]

Agreed and Riley will get sufficient time to show what he can do but lets be honest here

* Since the hiring all we heard was Riley will do much better here because of the talent level - now many of the same people are saying the losses are due to talent level
* All summer we heard from this staff that they were going to meld offensive systems together and maximize the players on the team - Instead what we have seen is exactly what I have seen for years at OSU - same exact thing no change
* Every time someone points out coaching issues or even tries to discuss issues they are called an idiot- moron - retarded - stupid etc.... and of course are labeled a Boliever and told to go follow Youngstown state - should we not be able to discuss the pros and cons of the staff and their decisions
* I am most concerned about the excuses being used yes we are thin in some positions but clearly that is not the entire reason we are 1-2 - There have been some coaching mistakes that have greatly contributed to this start

This staff will have plenty of time to show what they can do - but for those of you now suggesting this program is in complete rebuild mode - guess what that is not going to happen - Riley cannot blow this up and then take 4-5 years to rebuild he does not have that type of time

My thoughts on your bullets in order:

* I don't believe people meant immediately. Long before Riley was hired people have been discussing roster mismanagement, e.g., DE, LB, etc. Riley has inherited better starting talent at certain positions (e.g., Collins, Valentine); however, their impact is being muted because other positions like DE are horrendous right now. Our tackles are getting doubled and/or chipped and that's no problem for opposing teams because they are dominating 1v1 against our DEs. That is difficult to handle unless you blitz aggressively; however, we have zero LBs on the roster and both RI and Bando are banged up. If this kind of defensive performance were happening in year four I'd be very concerned and openly critical. Right now? Not so much.

* I don't know that I'd say no change. We have decide on more passing because on OL is unable to consistently get a push and our RB options simply aren't great. I'm interested to see how things progress over the next couple of years on the offensive system front.

* I'm all for substantive posts about coaching but I'm not sure we are seeing that. For example, everyone is calling out Reed all the time. Why? Brown was spotty last year, DPE is hurt and Westy has done a nice job in his absence, Foltz is hurt and we have no back-up, and our coverage has otherwise been good. People need to explain what they are seeing from a coaching perspective that is causing them to have concern.

* Most certainly. I think the biggest concern is the slow start mentality. This was a problem the last couple years as well. I'm not blaming Pelini exclusively as Riley and staff have to have our guys ready to play; however, this does appear to be something that has been continuous across the last and current staff.

 

[Archie Graham]

To me, it's just the precedent we set by firing Pelini. No doubt he was an abrasive ass in many ways, and was asking to get canned after the Iowa game.

To me, it's about wins and losses. Winning "the right way" is secondary, unless we're talking about cheating.

I just think it's rather risky to put all our eggs in one basket in hopes that a coach with a shaky w-l history turns over a new leaf.

One always has to put all their eggs in one basket and SE chose Riley. It is what it is. Other have documented a number of 'darlings' that we discussed (e.g., Chris Peterson) that are not lighting it up. For example, Boise State beats Washington and then loses to BYU. Does this mean Chris Peterson deserves the same reactionary comments that Riley is getting? Or is Boise State decent and BYU is pretty damn good? After watching last week I think we can safely say BYU is damn good.

The bottom-line is that Riley is our coach and will be for a minimum or five years. If crap hits the fan SE will be following him out of town.

 

[bwdtxhusker]

Nobody wants Bo...but a lot of people want to talk about him to deflect from real conversation about what is happening on the field.

You mean like people wanted to talk about Callahan during the Pelini tenure?

So during the 7 year reign of Pelini, we were supposed to remember how bad Callahan was to prop up Pelini's coaching abilities.

Now after 3 games we are supposed forget precedence and have "real" conversations.

Okay...

 

[SnohomishRed]

My thoughts on your bullets in order:

* I don't believe people meant immediately. Long before Riley was hired people have been discussing roster mismanagement, e.g., DE, LB, etc. Riley has inherited better starting talent at certain positions (e.g., Collins, Valentine); however, their impact is being muted because other positions like DE are horrendous right now. Our tackles are getting doubled and/or chipped and that's no problem for opposing teams because they are dominating 1v1 against our DEs. That is difficult to handle unless you blitz aggressively; however, we have zero LBs on the roster and both RI and Bando are banged up. If this kind of defensive performance were happening in year four I'd be very concerned and openly critical. Right now? Not so much.
There is no doubt we are thin in some positions especially on Defense - The DE was hurt by some bad recruiting and attrition - The LB was hurt by attrition and also some poor recruiting - However Riley has much talent on the offensive side than he ever had at OSU - he also has a true dual threat QB that he has not had probably ever - however we do not choose to use him as a dual threat????
* I don't know that I'd say no change. We have decide on more passing because on OL is unable to consistently get a push and our RB options simply aren't great. I'm interested to see how things progress over the next couple of years on the offensive system front.
Being on West coast and having a good friend who had a son play for OSU and Riley and was a fan I have casually followed OSU for years - Trust me this is the same offense same plays same issues for that matter - We say we RB problems yet we have seen one back Newby no one else has gotten any real playing time how do we know Wilbon will not do any better until we see him get a carry. How about that late highly rated RB addition is he hurt?

* I'm all for substantive posts about coaching but I'm not sure we are seeing that. For example, everyone is calling out Reed all the time. Why? Brown was spotty last year, DPE is hurt and Westy has done a nice job in his absence, Foltz is hurt and we have no back-up, and our coverage has otherwise been good. People need to explain what they are seeing from a coaching perspective that is causing them to have concern.
Watching our kickoff and punt coverage I would bet we give up a very damaging return at some point this year. Most of y concern on him comes from watching OSU play - He is not a good coach imo
* Most certainly. I think the biggest concern is the slow start mentality. This was a problem the last couple years as well. I'm not blaming Pelini exclusively as Riley and staff have to have our guys ready to play; however, this does appear to be something that has been continuous across the last and current staff.

This staff has years of experience both college and NFL - posters rightfully pointed out the inexperience on pelini's staff s which was a problem - yet we continue to see the same mistakes, stupid penalties time management issues ( this is coaching) please tell me an area where we see the effect of this upgrade in coaching ( I will say TA is a better passer)

 

[Archie Graham]

This staff has years of experience both college and NFL - posters rightfully pointed out the inexperience on pelini's staff s which was a problem - yet we continue to see the same mistakes, stupid penalties time management issues ( this is coaching) please tell me an area where we see the effect of this upgrade in coaching ( I will say TA is a better passer)

Well you didn't really address anything I said, but I digress, at least from those points.

The penalties are concerning. Obviously penalties like personal fouls/holding are on the players - but the coaches obviously need to address discipline in practice and film review. Procedural penalties are likely a combination of players, coaching, and new system installs - this is bound to be rocky in year one.

I think the major question is how we move forward in the next few years. If these things smooth out then we move forward productively. If high numbers of the penalties becomes the standard then we have problems. I hope Riley is willing to take a hard look at his staff if changes need to be made - my understanding is that he is willing to do that.

 

[SnohomishRed]

Well you didn't really address anything I said, but I digress, at least from those points.

The penalties are concerning. Obviously penalties like personal fouls/holding are on the players - but the coaches obviously need to address discipline in practice and film review. Procedural penalties are likely a combination of players, coaching, and new system installs - this is bound to be rocky in year one.

I think the major question is how we move forward in the next few years. If these things smooth out then we move forward productively. If high numbers of the penalties becomes the standard then we have problems. I hope Riley is willing to take a hard look at his staff if changes need to be made - my understanding is that he is willing to do that.

sorry I responded in your message as follows

* I don't believe people meant immediately. Long before Riley was hired people have been discussing roster mismanagement, e.g., DE, LB, etc. Riley has inherited better starting talent at certain positions (e.g., Collins, Valentine); however, their impact is being muted because other positions like DE are horrendous right now. Our tackles are getting doubled and/or chipped and that's no problem for opposing teams because they are dominating 1v1 against our DEs. That is difficult to handle unless you blitz aggressively; however, we have zero LBs on the roster and both RI and Bando are banged up. If this kind of defensive performance were happening in year four I'd be very concerned and openly critical. Right now? Not so much.
There is no doubt we are thin in some positions especially on Defense - The DE was hurt by some bad recruiting and attrition - The LB was hurt by attrition and also some poor recruiting - However Riley has much talent on the offensive side than he ever had at OSU - he also has a true dual threat QB that he has not had probably ever - however we do not choose to use him as a dual threat????
* I don't know that I'd say no change. We have decide on more passing because on OL is unable to consistently get a push and our RB options simply aren't great. I'm interested to see how things progress over the next couple of years on the offensive system front.
Being on West coast and having a good friend who had a son play for OSU and Riley and was a fan I have casually followed OSU for years - Trust me this is the same offense same plays same issues for that matter - We say we RB problems yet we have seen one back Newby no one else has gotten any real playing time how do we know Wilbon will not do any better until we see him get a carry. How about that late highly rated RB addition is he hurt?

* I'm all for substantive posts about coaching but I'm not sure we are seeing that. For example, everyone is calling out Reed all the time. Why? Brown was spotty last year, DPE is hurt and Westy has done a nice job in his absence, Foltz is hurt and we have no back-up, and our coverage has otherwise been good. People need to explain what they are seeing from a coaching perspective that is causing them to have concern.
Watching our kickoff and punt coverage I would bet we give up a very damaging return at some point this year. Most of y concern on him comes from watching OSU play - He is not a good coach imo

 

[Archie Graham]

* There is no doubt we are thin in some positions especially on Defense - The DE was hurt by some bad recruiting and attrition - The LB was hurt by attrition and also some poor recruiting - However Riley has much talent on the offensive side than he ever had at OSU - he also has a true dual threat QB that he has not had probably ever - however we do not choose to use him as a dual threat????

Wait. It's three games into season one. It's ridiculous to be making comparisons at this point.

Tommy is a pass-first QB with good mobility, i.e., not dual-threat QB as I would define it. Perhaps the staff is going to use him more in the running game in the future - it's been three games. Perhaps they are also trying to limit the number of hits he takes because if he goes down we are losing a lot of games.

Hard to know at this point since it's been three games, but if we are trying to limit his hits, I don't really have a problem with that since we have no back up.

Being on West coast and having a good friend who had a son play for OSU and Riley and was a fan I have casually followed OSU for years - Trust me this is the same offense same plays same issues for that matter - We say we RB problems yet we have seen one back Newby no one else has gotten any real playing time how do we know Wilbon will not do any better until we see him get a carry. How about that late highly rated RB addition is he hurt?

We? Who is we? The staff has seen them all extensively. I'd like to see some more of Wilbon and recent comments from the staff suggests he is going to be more involved. The staff noted Newby carried the load once we got down early to Miami so they must have felt he would give us the best chance to get back in the game. I'm also eager to see more of Wilbon when the light are on. Finally, I think it has been clearly noted our late addition at RB was not ready to play - combination of small injuries and fitness.

Watching our kickoff and punt coverage I would bet we give up a very damaging return at some point this year. Most of y concern on him comes from watching OSU play - He is not a good coach imo

So…you have no complaints from his time at Nebraska. Noted.

 

[SnohomishRed]

Tommy is a pass-first QB with good mobility, i.e., not dual-threat QB as I would define it. Perhaps the staff is going to use him more in the running game in the future - it's been three games. Perhaps they are also trying to limit the number of hits he takes because if he goes down we are losing a lot of games.

Since when is he a pass first QB?? this year is the answer he is a run first QB and had questionable passing skills
If the plan is to limit the hits and have this result in losses they need to rethink the plan

 

[SnohomishRed]

Watching our kickoff and punt coverage I would bet we give up a very damaging return at some point this year. Most of y concern on him comes from watching OSU play - He is not a good coach imo
So…you have no complaints from his time at Nebraska. Noted.

Other than there has not been one positive thing to be excited about

 

[timnsun]

Is Tommy not much improved in his passing game? If the 6 or 7 dropped balls are caught this weekend, he is completing over 60 percent of his passes with a good TD to INT ratio... Just because he came to us as a dual threat QB doesn't mean he can't be a good passer, especially with the right coaching.

I agree that he is a threat with both his arms and legs, but the coaches want to keep him safe and have limited his runs. Like Archie said, if he goes down, is Fyfe going to step in so that we don't miss a beat? There is a big difference between Tommy and Ryker, and the coaches don't want to rely on Ryker for any number of games.