Junior college QB visiting this weekend?

[TheBeav815]

Everyone wants to love Ryker, but 100% agree. We saw what he is. The tough part for me right now is the dilemma of what traits we want our QB to have. Right now I love having "Good Tommy" for the shear fact that he keeps plays alive with his legs. Having a down O-line like we have, this is a critical piece, and I like his ability to escape. I know things can change as we continue to try and get top notch OL folks, but I'm not sure I want a semi-statue back there until that happens. During our transition, the QB is an interesting spot.

I think what we're seeing here is they're gonna start recruiting to their system. We'll see if Bush amounts to anything, but Fyfe and Darlington are never going to be mistaken for pro-style QBs.

Tommy would be an amazing QB in Osborne's offense, IMO. Very instinctive as a runner. As a passer, he's 54.7% for the season and his TD:INT isn't quite on the good side of 2:1. In conference play he's 51.3% with a TD:INT of 10:7. He's not a thrower. Just not.

The staff is coming around to the understanding that 40 throws a game from Tommy will buy them failure. But you can't chain me to the bumper and drag me off the belief that long-term, they want to be throwing about 35 times a game. They need a whole bunch of new QBs to do that.

 

[litespeedhuskerfan]

So the guy that leads the B1G in yards isn't a legitimate D1 QB? Disagree here. Tommy makes his mistakes, but he is a legit D1 QB. In fact, if he for some reason found a way to clean them up we might be able to make a run with him next year. He's essentially had only a little bit of time working with an actual QB coach.

If TA pulled a Russell Wilson and graduated early and could enroll anywhere without penalty, and if he tried, he would end up at Iowa State or Kansas or Colorado State or Northern Illinois. That's what I mean. TA is a classic example of how stats can lie.

 

[leodisflowers]

Yeah who knows. I guess we disagree on this point.

 

[Yossarian23]

If TA pulled a Russell Wilson and graduated early and could enroll anywhere without penalty, and if he tried, he would end up at Iowa State or Kansas or Colorado State or Northern Illinois. That's what I mean. TA is a classic example of how stats can lie.

I don't think anyone is saying that you're wrong and Armstrong is really good, or under the belief that most teams would trade their current QB for him straight up. They're pointing out the hyperbole and disconnect in your comments.

By saying he's not D1, you're saying that he should be at Chadron, Wayne, or Peru State. On the flip side, when you literally listed where he'd end up, you listed D1 schools.

 

[litespeedhuskerfan]

I don't think anyone is saying that you're wrong and Armstrong is really good, or under the belief that most teams would trade their current QB for him straight up. They're pointing out the hyperbole and disconnect in your comments.

By saying he's not D1, you're saying that he should be at Chadron, Wayne, or Peru State. On the flip side, when you literally listed where he'd end up, you listed D1 schools.

If a school like Nevada played all those programs I listed, and a few more just like it, and ended up 13-0 and wanting to play for the title, would you argue they played a legitimate D-1 schedule then? Their all D-1 schools, so that would make their schedule legit then right?

 

[jeans15]

So since stats lie, take away TA's 4 TDs against Michigan St. Instead he was 25-30 250 2 TD. Do we win?

 

[jeans15]

Iowa St beats Oklahoma St this pass weekend if TA was their QB. For one they would smart enough coaches to use him right.

 

[litespeedhuskerfan]

Well I went and got farther into this than I wanted, and think I'll back out. I recognize he's the best we have and I'll root for him, like I always do.

 

[jeans15]

Well I went and got farther into this than I wanted, and think I'll back out. I recognize he's the best we have and I'll root for him, like I always do.

I know you will and your statement is correct. The best we got for now.

 

[Yossarian23]

If a school like Nevada played all those programs I listed, and a few more just like it, and ended up 13-0 and wanting to play for the title, would you argue they played a legitimate D-1 schedule then? Their all D-1 schools, so that would make their schedule legit then right?

Assuming you meant Nebraska...

Are they D1 teams? Yes, they are. Then it's legitimately a D1 schedule.

I get your point...your made up example would be a weak schedule. You're trying to say that Armstrong is not a top tier QB, and that most high to mid level D1 programs would not take him at this moment in time. Not many would probably argue with what you're trying to say. I know I wouldn't.

But you have to realize, your misusing of the word "legitimate" is causing the people (including myself) to call you on it. Using that wording implies that he is not good enough to be playing in the bowl subdivision. That's where people, including myself, disagree. The fact that you're digging in your heels and not acknowledging that you misspoke further makes it look like you legitimately believe that Armstrong belongs more at UNK than he does UNL.

 

[litespeedhuskerfan]

Would every single person who gave me a hard time in this thread about saying TA isn't a legit D1 QB like to restate their position on this subject?

 

[litespeedhuskerfan]

So you don't think Armstrong could play at any other d1 school? In your mind how many legitimate division 1 qbs are there?
He's 2nd in the big 10 in passing. And leads the league in all purpose yards. I'm not saying his Vince Young, but to say he's not a legitimate d1 qb is asinine. He is 22-13 as a starter or something like that. But you don't think he's a legit D1 qb. Not all american, not all conference but just a d1 qb?

The hyperbole that exist in some message board fans is so ridiculous. How do you expect anybody to respect your opinion if you throw statements like that out?

Anyone at all....like to restate their position. Bueller.......

 

[bootleg11]

Anyone at all....like to restate their position. Bueller.......

Absolutely. I think Armstrong is an average division 1 qb. His record as a starter is something like 22-14 at Nebraska. Maybe we have different definitions of a legitimate division 1 qb.

 

[bootleg11]

Anyone at all....like to restate their position. Bueller.......

A good division 1 qb doesn't play like that against Iowa. But you can't tell me that a qb that played like he did against Michigan State isn't a division 1 qb. He is just an average division 1 qb.

 

[litespeedhuskerfan]

Average would be a HUGE improvement. You're being stubborn and silly at this point. You should have just said, "No matter how bad he is, no matter how many games he cost us, no matter how many picks and near picks he throws, I'm not going to admit you were right and I was wrong". At least it would have been honest.

 

[bootleg11]

Average would be a HUGE improvement. You're being stubborn and silly at this point. You should have just said, "No matter how bad he is, no matter how many games he cost us, no matter how many picks and near picks he throws, I'm not going to admit you were right and I was wrong". At least it would have been honest.

Interesting you didn't want this debate after a husker win but show up now to argue. My argument is with the word legitimate. I think Tommy Armstrong is a division 1 qb. Maybe not at Nebraska and definitely not in this offensive system, but I think there a lot of division 1 teams he could start for. The guy already starts for a division 1 power 5 school for the past 3 years so he already is a legitimate division 1 qb.

 

[litespeedhuskerfan]

Spare me the timing B.S. My position on this subject has been the same for 2 years.

 

[Yossarian23]

Average would be a HUGE improvement. You're being stubborn and silly at this point. You should have just said, "No matter how bad he is, no matter how many games he cost us, no matter how many picks and near picks he throws, I'm not going to admit you were right and I was wrong". At least it would have been honest.

I was one of those giving you a hard time, and I'll come back to say that Bootleg is right and the bolded is ironic.

 

[bootleg11]

Spare me the timing B.S. My position on this subject has been the same for 2 years.

Timing aside, a guy that has started and won that many games for a division 1 power 5 school is a legitimate division 1 qb. If he's not then you're saying a guy like Rudock at Michigan is also not legitimate.

 

[litespeedhuskerfan]

Ok then, pop quiz time to the both of you....

Do you want TA to be our starting QB next year? Simple yes or no is fine.

 

[bootleg11]

Ok then, pop quiz time to the both of you....

Do you want TA to be our starting QB next year? Simple yes or no is fine.

I want the best qb to start.
Question for you, is Jake Ruddock at Michigan a legitimate division 1 qb?

 

[litespeedhuskerfan]

So you couldn't even bring yourself to answer a really simple question. Gotcha. I'll re-ask, do you want TA to be our starting QB next year, yes or no. Did I stutter? Is there something in the question you don't understand? Yes or no. Do you want to watch another season with TA as your starting QB.

I know less than zilch about Ruddock and have ZERO idea what he has to do with this, but when somebody does something like you just did it's called deflecting in an attempt to divert attention from the white elephant in the room.

 

[bootleg11]

So you couldn't even bring yourself to answer a really simple question. Gotcha. I'll re-ask, do you want TA to be our starting QB next year, yes or no. Did I stutter? Is there something in the question you don't understand? Yes or no. Do you want to watch another season with TA as your starting QB.

I know less than zilch about Ruddock and have ZERO idea what he has to do with this, but when somebody does something like you just did it's called deflecting in an attempt to divert attention from the white elephant in the room.

How can I answer it? If he gives the Huskers the best chance to win then yes. If he doesn't then no.
The comparison to Ruddock..I could use another if you like. Is Christian Hackenberg st Penn St a legitimate division 1 qb?

 

[litespeedhuskerfan]

You silence on this question tells me everything I need to know. Thanks for taking the time to clear this issue up.

 

[bootleg11]

So you couldn't even bring yourself to answer a really simple question. Gotcha. I'll re-ask, do you want TA to be our starting QB next year, yes or no. Did I stutter? Is there something in the question you don't understand? Yes or no. Do you want to watch another season with TA as your starting QB.

I know less than zilch about Ruddock and have ZERO idea what he has to do with this, but when somebody does something like you just did it's called deflecting in an attempt to divert attention from the white elephant in the room.

And you want to bring up deflection. You wouldn't even have this argument with me until after the Huskers lose.

 

[bootleg11]

You silence on this question tells me everything I need to know. Thanks for taking the time to clear this issue up.

I see your silent on my question as well. As my question is geared toward the premise of "legitimate" qb and yours is toward changing the argument so you can attempt to win it. Have a good day.

 

[Yossarian23]

Ok then, pop quiz time to the both of you....

Do you want TA to be our starting QB next year? Simple yes or no is fine.

Not particularly, but like Bootleg said, if he's the best option, then he's the best option.

Not wanting him to start next year is not the same as claiming he is not a legitimate D1 player.

 

[HuskerDana]

Interesting you didn't want this debate after a husker win but show up now to argue. My argument is with the word legitimate. I think Tommy Armstrong is a division 1 qb. Maybe not at Nebraska and definitely not in this offensive system, but I think there a lot of division 1 teams he could start for. The guy already starts for a division 1 power 5 school for the past 3 years so he already is a legitimate division 1 qb.

That would be because TA just proved his point. By the way, we are one dropped pick against MSU from NO ONE on here arguing in favor of TA being and "average" DI QB. This is coming from somebody that NEVER says a bad word about any player that steps out on the field for NU. I appreciate his effort, but MR desperately needs to find a serviceable DI QB quickly. IMO, his job depends on it.

 

[GBR_Atlanta]

I do not want TA to start next year. I've seen enough to believe that he isn't the QB to get us to the next level. If I'm proven wrong, I'll eat my crow. I'd rather start a true freshman. Hope that a JUCO transfer is an option.

That being said, if we're to start a JUCO QB, or POB, I sure hope the run game makes some strides to help out. I'm hoping Ozigbo will distance himself, and whatever the heck Wilbon did gets figured out.

 

[litespeedhuskerfan]

And you want to bring up deflection. You wouldn't even have this argument with me until after the Huskers lose.

False. 100% completely false. My position on this subject has been the same for years.

 

[otismotis08]

I do not want TA to start next year. I've seen enough to believe that he isn't they QB to get us to the next level. If I'm proven wrong, I'll eat my crow. I'd rather start a true freshman. Hope that a JUCO transfer is an option.

That being said, if we're to start a JUCO QB, or POB, I sure hope the run game makes some strides to help out. I'm hoping Ozigbo will distance himself, and whatever the heck Wilbon did gets figured out.

I don't expect TA to fix all of his issues in one offseason. There are just too many fundamental flaws, mostly mental.
We're not likely to compete for a playoff spot next year, so groom the next guy...a MR guy so that we can see what a MR guy can do.

 

[bootleg11]

False. 100% completely false. My position on this subject has been the same for years.

Is Christian Hackenburg a legit d1 qb? Less wins than Armstrong at qb.
I agree that Armstrong isn't the answer. But you're saying he shouldn't be a division 1 qb. That's hyperbole.

 

[Tuco Ramirez]

Armstrong is a legit Div 1 QB. I have no issue with him starting next year, because, frankly, the chances of him making enough improvements to get this team to the next level (that level being merely decent) is better than most true freshmen making that jump, or anyone currently on the team making that jump.

People keep thinking that Armstrong is the worst thing about the offense. And he's not. Not anywhere close. He makes bonehead plays. He has bad form. But he's a baller, and that counts for something.

 

[jeans15]

Mike Riley is our coach....all this talk of TA is ridiculous .. we aren't winning anything around here with this coaching staff.

 

[jay-cheese]

Ssshh...this guys track record says otherwise (or wait a minute....). I am hopeful they can do better next year.

GBR

 

[bootleg11]

Mike Riley is our coach....all this talk of TA is ridiculous .. we aren't winning anything around here with this coaching staff.

Then why cheer for them? Go follow another school

 

[Wasker77]

Does the name Aaron Rodgers come to mind? Cal stoll him from Humboldt State and the rest is history. ..

Humboldt State is a small 4 year college. I believe Rodgers played at Shasta CC before Call

 

[TheBeav815]

Armstrong is a legit Div 1 QB. I have no issue with him starting next year, because, frankly, the chances of him making enough improvements to get this team to the next level (that level being merely decent) is better than most true freshmen making that jump, or anyone currently on the team making that jump.

People keep thinking that Armstrong is the worst thing about the offense. And he's not. Not anywhere close. He makes bonehead plays. He has bad form. But he's a baller, and that counts for something.

Yeah, it counts for the 2nd most INTs in the country. What does that mean, exactly, "he's a baller"? Is that what you say when he does something stupid, but it works out? When he bombs a deep ball into double or triple coverage, is that still ballin'? Or is that just a stupid decision?

A baller/gamer is a kid who finds another level on Saturday and outperforms what you would think should be his natural ceiling. Lately, TA is operating WELL below his ceiling. He pretty much found his floor on Saturday. The way he balls out and tips the scales in games is with his legs, and he thinks its with his arm. That's a problem.

 

[Tuco Ramirez]

Yeah, it counts for the 2nd most INTs in the country. What does that mean, exactly, "he's a baller"? Is that what you say when he does something stupid, but it works out? When he bombs a deep ball into double or triple coverage, is that still ballin'? Or is that just a stupid decision?

A baller/gamer is a kid who finds another level on Saturday and outperforms what you would think should be his natural ceiling. Lately, TA is operating WELL below his ceiling. He pretty much found his floor on Saturday. The way he balls out and tips the scales in games is with his legs, and he thinks its with his arm. That's a problem.

To me, a baller means he has the aggression and confidence to keep pushing regardless of the situation. Yes, without better discipline it results turnovers, from doing stupid stuff like chucking it for grabs. It also can result in injuries as he is likely hurdle defenders, which is also a stupid decision for a QB to make. But there is an attitude there that I appreciate and think is important for a struggling team. There is value there.

 

[HuskersMan34]

So since stats lie, take away TA's 4 TDs against Michigan St. Instead he was 25-30 250 2 TD. Do we win?

wut?