My thoughts exactly. For as much as it sucks for the team, they'll adjust. Jones is the one most hurt by going down, when he has such a bright future ahead of him.
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Mensical repair...brutal. He'll sit out 4-6 months then odds are he'll have a scope to take out the torn piece of meniscus they tried to repair and be back in less than a month. I understand the decision to repair but it's not widely successful
Did they repair the meniscus or do a microfracture procedure? The articles I saw weren't really clear on that.
So those are two completely different things done for different issues. Microfracture is for an articulate cartilage defect or OCD lesion. Meniscus repair is done in the setting of a torn meniscus but only done for very specific tears due to the blood suppuly of the meniscus. Any large, peripheral or radial tear generally is not repairable. But if it's in the red-red zone, you can attempt a repair despite it's still low chances of healing. Either microfracture or meinsical repair takes a long time to recover due to the low healing potential of either tissue involved.
Heard a couple local experts on the radio recently list Jones as our best player. If that is the case, I can't see how this doesn't hurt the team. By all reports, JoJo Domann was playing great football before he got hurt in the spring. Two impactful injuries in the secondary already and we're not out of July.
the only thing I would add is that when you say that you can't repair the meniscus in certain tears, most people wouldn't understand that you still have to do surgery to remove the damaged portion of the meniscus. As you obviously know, leaving a flap in the joint normally causes continued pain, inflammation and degradation of the joint.
I realize they are totally different procedures, but nothing that I read made it clear which was done in this case. I agree that either takes a very long time to heal. I had a microfracture procedure nearly 30 years ago, when it was pretty new and untested. I was fortunate to have an orthopedic surgeon who took a strict approach to the recovery and made me stay on crutches for six months - lots of swimming, stationary bike and very light weight lifting to keep some strength in the leg, but no walking or running on it. I've known other people who ditched their crutches after a month or two, and their recovery didn't go nearly as well as mine. It was brutal spending six months on crutches, but worth it in the long run.
EDIT: Now I see some articles referencing "meniscus repair." The others I had read just said "surgery on a torn meniscus" and that's why I was wondering if it might be a microfracture procedure. But either way, I hope he takes the time to let it fully recover.
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Not as sure as you what is obvious. Lots of surgical opinions in the threads about this injury, though it's unclear how many are from orthopods. So here's my surgeon's take on my meniscus tears in both knees -- and this guy was both ASU and the Suns chief orthopod at various times in his long career. He considered cleaning up tears in both knees fifteen or twenty years ago, but said he'd prefer not to do it unless either one got to be a big bother. His rationale was that even a torn meniscus can provide some long term benefit for arthritis prevention.
But if I had been a young athlete like Jones he said surgery would be the best option. I have noticed that occasionally I get a brief twinge or two when a tear gets out of position. I have seen him within the past five years to follow up and based on my updated scans and symptoms he still believes leaving the tears alone is the best option.
We probably should be careful about throwing around diagnoses and treatment options for any meniscus injury. We have no idea what is involved with Jones' knee.
PS My doc mentioned a study in New England Journal of Medicine a few years ago that concluded surgery was often not the best treatment option for meniscus injuries. Of course, I'm sure individual orthopods may disagree with those findings.
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I totally agree with you on that - that's why I asked if anyone had more details about Jones' surgery. I only shared my own experience because even though I felt like my knee was healed after a couple of months, the surgeon assured me that it was not and I came to value that advice more and more as the years went by.
I'm an old fart. The ability to diagnose small meniscal tears has improved dramatically. I would guess that many small tears were left undiagnosed in the past and the person did fine without surgery. I could agree that surgery may not be needed for small tears in a non-athlete.
I actually looked yesterday to see what I could find about Dismuke's ability to play corner. I have no clue if he has the skill set to play corner or not. It would seem that we have some guys that may be able to fill the void but the proof will be on game day.
I think we should trust the Nebraska Medical Staff that they know what they are doing since they actually examined him and will help with his rehab. I believe this Lincoln Holiday Inn Express must have very limited vacancy the last several days given all of the "doctors" in this thread. 
I think we should trust the Nebraska Medical Staff that they know what they are doing since they actually examined him and will help with his rehab. I believe this Lincoln Holiday Inn Express must have very limited vacancy the last several days given all of the "doctors" in this thread.
The doctors here are better than the RSS doctors many of whom said Jones would be back for game one. Smdh
Is time for an IQ test for the RSS members and the Husker Board?
At least on medical issues.
Whatever the diagnosis and prognosis, the bottom line is we just lost one of about three players we could not afford to lose. This is a big loss to the team no matter how you spin it. Elite teams can overcome stuff like this due to depth. We are not an elite team and we do not have depth. Time for Lee and Jackson to prove they were worth all that recruiting hype. I would love to be able to keep Kalu at safety.
I haven't seen anbody doubting the NU medical team. What I did see is some posts clarifying what a meniscal tear might mean with any given injury. Anecdotal personal experiences with any one injury are not good evidence of what Jones may experience with his injury. It's a good discussion.I think we should trust the Nebraska Medical Staff that they know what they are doing since they actually examined him and will help with his rehab. I believe this Lincoln Holiday Inn Express must have very limited vacancy the last several days given all of the "doctors" in this thread.
That's hilarious and so true. Same can be said with all the gems the top schools miss out on each year.I think we should trust the Nebraska Medical Staff that they know what they are doing since they actually examined him and will help with his rehab. I believe this Lincoln Holiday Inn Express must have very limited vacancy the last several days given all of the "doctors" in this thread.
Well perhaps I didn't say it sanctimoniously enough, but pretty much the whole point of my post was that the doctors tend to know best in these situations. I was responding mostly to Jones's Tweet saying there's no way he's sitting out 4 to 6 months. I admire the young man for wanting to play this season, and that's the kind of spirit you want in a player. But please listen to your doctors, because you only get one set of knees and they need to last you a long time.
Is time for an IQ test for the RSS members and the Husker Board?
All that is needed for admittance is a valid credit card. Nobody said anything about IQ.
Hopefully he will reconsider later what he tweeted. This is something he shouldn't rush back like Pierson-El did. Hope he takes the route Domann is taking and comes back next season 100%.
So that's the issue with these injuries. If it was a non-repairable tear like almost all of them are, then he's back in a few weeks. His surgeon must have felt Jones had a decent chance at healing it, repaired it and now he's out 4-6 months. No way to know which way it'll swing until you have the scope in there
So what you're talking about and what Jones has are two completely different things. Degenerative tears that occur as a part of the natural profession of arthritis of the knee typically don't improve with a surgical debridement. Acute traumatic tears associated with pain in the setting of no degenerative issues absolutely benefit from surgical debridement
Wrong. Both my tears were sports injuries -- no arthritis much less progression of it -- and the ASU/Suns orthopod recommended against surgery only since I was no longer a competitive athlete. I'm not sure why we are still debating orthopedic treatment options, but I guess that's what do best -- act like we're experts, no matter the topic.
4 to 9-10 win season ...
It is going to be an interesting 2017.
A lot of games are questions, with plenty of questions soon to be answered.
2017 pecking order heading into this season
- Penn State - defending champ
- Ohio State - only one title year under Urban Meyer, despite a 12-0 1st season
- Wisconsin
- Michigan
- Northwestern
- Iowa
- Nebraska - this injury may end up adjusting this slot for Huskers
- Indiana
- Maryland
- Michigan State
- Minnesota
- Purdue
- Rutgers
- Illinois
