If anyone spoke of my boss(es) like JS did, I'd fire them without hesitation regardless what the public backlash would be. There's no butthurt involved, your hate for Perlman is noted.
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If anyone spoke of my boss(es) like JS did, I'd fire them without hesitation regardless what the public backlash would be. There's no butthurt involved, your hate for Perlman is noted.
This kind of stuff happens in the business world ALL the time. Not sure why this is such a big deal.
I like HP and think what him and TO did to get us into the B1G was outstanding. But JS did have a good point about HP in his post. One that is often raised on this board.
Then you are being ridiculous if you find a 9 month old tweet that was given nine months before you hired the person...and fire him for that. It show the university's thin skin.
And by the way...I have only spoken approvingly of Harvey in this thread. Not sure how the hate is showing...Harvey is not the one with the thin skin.
What's hard to understand is why you'd think firing someone who insulted your boss is more ballsy than not firing him, but whatever.
Sorry Tom. You just don't keep insubordinate staff around. It has nothing to do with being a wuss and everything to do with running a tight ship. Jon's post proves he has no respect for the top guy, he's gotta go. (Not saying Jon's a bad guy, just can't be NU's employee)
Please, call out your CEO on twitter and let us know what happens. I'd love to know!
It's not about a valid point or not.
No, I'm holding that person accountable for his actions. But what's funny is, you wanted Pelini fired after a year old (two years old?) audiotape was found and action was already taken at that point - from previous leadership. You're speaking out of both sides, that didn't take long...
Because, a "pussy" lets people walk all over them and say what they want.
Winner winner!
And you think there isn't a professor on campus that hasn't blasted HP on social media before? HP is in a public position. He's gonna get hammered by people who don't agree with him. Are you going to fire every university employee that blasts HP? They weren't hiring a PR person for the chancellor's office. They were hiring someone to say "1st and goal".
Dirk just retweeted a tweet from Suh "The leadership issues at the University of Nebraska extend above the Head Football Coach's office." posted on the same day that JS made his post. Should we strip the S&C center of his name, Tim?
Safe to assume nobody has called him a disgrace to the University prior to their employment, or I'll guess that the person wouldn't be employed by the University. As I said, it has nothing to do with validity of the social media comment, he's being held accountable for calling his (future) "boss" a disgrace. Pat Combs wasn't hire to be an accountant, might as well hire him back till he has his day in court...
I think you have no idea how to manage people, hold them accountable and run a tight ship as senior management.
Well we can agree to disagree. I still think this makes the AD look bad. It really is a minor blimp for SE's image and will be forgotten soon. I am sure if you looked at every employee that makes more $$$ than the PA announcer you would find something for more than a few for which they shouldn't have been hired.
To your points scottym; dissent isn't a problem in a healthy organization so long as it's about a disagreement in how something is done. Jon's post's first sentence was "Harvey Perlman is a disgrace." That's an ad hoc attack that shows a lack of respect for the man himself. Once you put something like that out there, you better not hope to get paid by said "disgrace."
As for Suh's comments, there is a difference between saying someone is a disgrace and simply questioning leadership. Plus, I don't think Suh is trying to draw a paycheck from the University.
As for Suh's comments, there is a difference between saying someone is a disgrace and simply questioning leadership. Plus, I don't think Suh is trying to draw a paycheck from the University.
So how do you explain keeping a head coach that cursed the administration (Not to mention cursing the fans who are responsible for paying the AD's bills.) and firing the PA guy you probably shouldn't have hired?
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Am pretty TO had very little if any to do with the move to the Big 10. This type of move is done at the Chancellor level and not the AD. Tom seems to credit for everything because of his past coaching accomplishments.
Different circumstances. One guy hasn't even done any work for the University yet. He's not "entrenched." As for the former coach, there are a lot of ducks to line up and consequences to consider before you can let someone in that position go. Much more planning needed for a head coach firing.
Embarrassing for the university to take this action. Thankfully this isn't the gig he left TV for.
I run four separate sales departments with excess of $240M in sales, so spare me.
As a public University, absolutely it makes the University look bad so we're not in disagreement on that aspect.
Here are my questions:
- Was his FB post taken down prior to any background check? If so, I can't blame the University. Someone ratted him out.
- Was his FB post available at the time, during the process or after any background check was done? If so, someone screwed up big time.
You really don't know TO then. He doesn't go around looking for pats on the back. He had more to do with it than you think. Not saying HP didn't have MORE to do with it. You don't make it to the B1G with a strong Chancellor and weak AD. Just doesn't happen.
TO had a heavy hand in the process from the start to the finish.
To answer both of your questions - I have no idea. I don't know how someone was able to find his fb post after it was deleted unless they took a screenshot prior to it being deleted. Nothing is ever truly "deleted" from social media.
I don't know who pays the PA. To me it would make sense that the athletic department paid the PA, but I trust your research. Here is a my question to you since you stated you saw the post before most of us did - would this have made it public if he wasn't fired? I assume JS probably has someone out there that isn't a fan of his and probably would have released it. If this is the case, would anyone care?
I don't know who pays the PA. To me it would make sense that the athletic department paid the PA, but I trust your research. Here is a my question to you since you stated you saw the post before most of us did - would this have made it public if he wasn't fired? I assume JS probably has someone out there that isn't a fan of his and probably would have released it. If this is the case, would anyone care?
Here's the salary information for 2015-2016. Here it is for 2014-2015. Anything prior, just change the year in the URL...
I didn't see the post, I was told about it. Few hours later, two members on here had a group text I was involved with where I learned he was fired. Valid questions, I'm curious too. Maybe, just maybe, JS was asked about any prior comments during the interview/hiring process which he denied and that's why the end result is what it is. (I don't know, just an additional possibility)...
FWIW JS said he would have done the same thing as the people that dismissed him.
http://www.omaha.com/huskers/new-hu...cle_07e6db14-50ef-11e5-8a50-63b3ceb0ae69.html
Also, thanks for the links.
Go check the Twitter accounts of university employees at the time Harvey advocated Bill Ayers coming to the university. There has to be dozens of employees we could fire now.
After getting to see the actual tweet, I think I understand the move much better. Had Schuetz not made the tweet a personal attack, and simply disagreed with the decision, this is probably a non-issue. I suppose this is why I'm not on Facebook, and only use Twitter as a news feed. Social media is a loaded gun, and we're all children playing with it.
You skipped right over my previous response to you, shocking! Some things never change...
Link the twitter accounts that made it personal, like JS did.
Everyone is throwing the term "fired" around. I doubt a contract was signed yet. There are thousands of job offers that are extended every day with the understanding that certain checks must be done. We do it all the time - job is offered assuming you pass the drug screen and physical. Plenty of people have not been hired after the offer is given because something was found. This is normal so no embarrassment to the University in my book. The fact that this is Nebraska and Shuetz was a prominent sports guy in Omaha makes this a bigger deal than it should be.
He is also in the process of becoming a financial planner (I assume in the area). Wise of him to get this out of the way quickly and not start a public pissing match, regardless of how he feels about it.
I am sure there were plenty of Twitter and Facebook posts concerning Harvey and Bill Ayers that made it personal. You are crazy if you think that was not the case.
Not crazy, just realistic how things work in the real world. @Crushinator explained it quite well.
You don't have the links, we all know that.
Tulsa Tom circa October 2014, "Fire Pelini for an audio-tape from last year or the year before".
Tulsa Tom September 2015, "You're being ridiculous for firing Jon Schutz for a comment he made 9 months ago" .
This sums you up...
Tulsa Tom circa October 2014, "Perlman doesn't have the balls to fire Pelini for the comments made in audio-gate".
Tulsa Tom September 2015, "It doesn't take any balls to fire someone for comments 9 months earlier".
Tulsa Tom September 2015, "It doesn't take any balls to fire someone for comments 9 months earlier".
In both cases (the firing and the non-firing) the parties were trying to kiss up to some higher up...so once again you miss the point.Tulsa Tom circa October 2014, "Perlman doesn't have the balls to fire Pelini for the comments made in audio-gate".
Tulsa Tom September 2015, "It doesn't take any balls to fire someone for comments 9 months earlier".
