Is it really possible the Niners didn't know the new OT rules?

[Husker4real]

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Had the situation been reversed I can almost guarantee the Chiefs take the ball first. Plus, if they won the toss in that game, they for sure would have gone first for the reason above.
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Andy Reid said they would have chosen to play defense had they won the OT coin toss.

Not sure if is was Reid or Mahomes (or someone else) that said had SF scored a TD on the first possession, KC would have gone for 2 if they scored a TD of their own. In fact, going for 2 in that scenario is pretty much a no brainer, since SF subsequently would have only needed a FG to win.

Shanahan’s decision is defensible, but definitely the riskier one.

 

[HuskerAlum92]

A lot of other factors come into play. The 49er's defense was just on the field for a long drive and gave up the tying score.

You want to defer and put them right back out there? Plus, you get the ball first if sudden death occurs so taking the ball was the right call and almost always is.

Had the situation been reversed I can almost guarantee the Chiefs take the ball first. Plus, if they won the toss in that game, they for sure would have gone first for the reason above.

Either way it probably doesn't matter they were holding/tackling the SF defense line on key plays with zero holding calls late in the game and OT. They were "destine" to win.

Tired defense? There was a FG attempt, commercial, kickoff, commercial, kneeldown, commercial, coin flip, commercial, kick off, commercial.

They had at least 10 minutes of rest between 4th down and taking the field again. That’s enough for elite athletes to not have excuses.

 

[IM4NUalways]

Tired defense? There was a FG attempt, commercial, kickoff, commercial, kneeldown, commercial, coin flip, commercial, kick off, commercial.

They had at least 10 minutes of rest between 4th down and taking the field again. That’s enough for elite athletes to not have excuses.

Says a guy on a message board.

After 4 quarters of all out play under the most intense pressure in sports. It matters.

 

[otismotis08]

Andy Reid said they would have chosen to play defense had they won the OT coin toss.

Not sure if is was Reid or Mahomes (or someone else) that said had SF scored a TD on the first possession, KC would have gone for 2 if they scored a TD of their own. In fact, going for 2 in that scenario is pretty much a no brainer, since SF subsequently would have only needed a FG to win.

Shanahan’s decision is defensible, but definitely the riskier one.

I can see it both ways. But again...you've played 4 quarters of evenly matched football and ended in a tie. Probably a good chance that you'll be tied one way or another after the first overtime. So set yourself up to be in the driver's seat for sudden death. Makes sense to me.

 

[BleedRed78]

A lot of other factors come into play. The 49er's defense was just on the field for a long drive and gave up the tying score.

You want to defer and put them right back out there? Plus, you get the ball first if sudden death occurs so taking the ball was the right call and almost always is.

Had the situation been reversed I can almost guarantee the Chiefs take the ball first. Plus, if they won the toss in that game, they for sure would have gone first for the reason above.

Either way it probably doesn't matter the 9ers were holding/tackling the chiefs defense line on key plays with zero holding calls late in the game and OT. They were "destine" to win.

FIFY

 

[litespeedhuskerfan]

...annnnd the Niners found the culprit. They just fired their (now ex) D-cord. Apparently it was his fault they lost.

 

[schuele]

...annnnd the Niners found the culprit. They just fired their (now ex) D-cord. Apparently it was his fault they lost.

Shanahan is a chip off the old block. His old man used to throw the defensive coordinator under the bus about every other year.

 

[HuskerAlum92]

Says a guy on a message board.

After 4 quarters of all out play under the most intense pressure in sports. It matters.

I copied the words I heard from Mark Schelerth. He won 3 Super Bowls, so his opinion trumps yours. His opinion was there was enough of a break that the tired defense excuse is BS.

In OT, KC went right down and scored game winning TD. The extra rest didn’t help the 49ers. You know what did help the Chiefs? Going for 4th and 1 at their own 34 because they were given the gift from Shanahan to know that they had to.

 

[HuskerO]

I copied the words I heard from Mark Schelerth. He won 3 Super Bowls, so his opinion trumps yours. His opinion was there was enough of a break that the tired defense excuse is BS.

In OT, KC went right down and scored game winning TD. The extra rest didn’t help the 49ers. You know what did help the Chiefs? Going for 4th and 1 at their own 34 because they were given the gift from Shanahan to know that they had to.

If the Chiefs had the ball first in OT and were in that same 4th & 1 situation, I think they still go for it.

So really the "they were given a gift" talk is moot.

 

[HuskerAlum92]

If the Chiefs had the ball first in OT and were in that same 4th & 1 situation, I think they still go for it.

So really the "they were given a gift" talk is moot.

If they don’t get it, 49ers kick winning FG without a single offensive snap. Your thinking is moot.

 

[HuskerO]

If they don’t get it, 49ers kick winning FG without a single offensive snap. Your thinking is moot.

It's not about whether they would convert the 4th down. It's whether they would attempt the 4th down conversation or not.

Do you think KC would punt it in that situation?

 

[huskerfan66]

It is every play. I have never seen a pro play book but I have seen college books. The average joe would think he is in trig class sitting in on some meetings with all the terminology. When plays are drawn up, now this is a shocker I know, they always work. The "if" comes in when everyone on D is where you thought they were going to be and everyone on O does what they are suppose to do.

That's why I get so frustrated with the constant "play calling" diatribe. Good grief, there are a ton of decisions that are made presnap and then each one has to be executed. A LB jumps into the hole by accident and occupies a guy who was supposed to kick out. The play bombs so is it the play call or the D or O's execution?

Agreed. One thing we don't see as much are audibles. Shotgun zone read changed a lot of that.

We used to, in high school, have an audible for every play. It could be as simple as a HOT color that automatically went to a specific play or as simple as a live vocal presnap that meant same play other direction. But every play could be audible out of if the coach, qb or a lineman saw something

 

[HuskerJag]

If the Chiefs had the ball first in OT and were in that same 4th & 1 situation, I think they still go for it.

So really the "they were given a gift" talk is moot.

100% truth. Of course they would have gone for it. In the situation described, Andy would have had to gamble on either Mahomes getting a yard or his defense getting a stop. That defense is nails but NO WAY you take the ball out Mahomes hands there.

 

[HuskerAlum92]

It's not about whether they would convert the 4th down. It's whether they would attempt the 4th down conversation or not.

Do you think KC would punt it in that situation?

4th and 1 at your own 34 in the first drive of OT. In the history of head coaches facing that decision, what % do you think have actually gone for it? You argue as if it is 80%+.

You lean towards going for it if you don’t trust your defense to keep them from FG range. KC’s defense had been stopping them cold routinely.

You can believe you are going to get it. If you are wrong, next play is game losing FG. If you are right, do you win? No. If you go on to score a TD, do you win? No. If you go on to score a TD + 2 pt, do you win? No. The risk/reward is not in your favor. Yeah, you can still go for it. But most would not. It’s not as automatic as you suggest.

 

[drubendall]

If the Chiefs had the ball first in OT and were in that same 4th & 1 situation, I think they still go for it.

So really the "they were given a gift" talk is moot.

I agree. Andy Reid is a good enough coach that he has a handful of plays that he knows will get him enough yards for a first down when he really really needs it.

He’s not one of these guys that tries to impress you how smart he is, but he’s seen it all and has a wealth of experience to rely on. He doesn’t care about style points just getting the W, whatever it takes

 

[IM4NUalways]

100% truth. Of course they would have gone for it. In the situation described, Andy would have had to gamble on either Mahomes getting a yard or his defense getting a stop. That defense is nails but NO WAY you take the ball out Mahomes hands there.

Plus, they will hold like hell with no calls and get it. Why not go for it.

I may be wrong, but they have been called for 1 holding in the Superbowl wins. It was a WR not an OL.

 

[HuskerO]

You lean towards going for it if you don’t trust your defense to keep them from FG range. KC’s defense had been stopping them cold routinely.

SF scored in their final 2 possessions of regulation. Then add scoring in OT, that's 3 straight scoring possessions. KC wasnt stopping them let alone stopping them cold.

 

[Husker4real]

Plus, they will hold like hell with no calls and get it. Why not go for it.

I may be wrong, but they have been called for 1 holding in the Superbowl wins. It was a WR not an OL.

I just saw the stat that there have been a total of 7 offensive holding calls in the past 6 Super Bowls(3 against KC)- so this one was not particularly unique.

It is also not particularly newsworthy that the Chiefs had no holding calls. While it is true they lead the league in Offensive Holding calls, there were 5 other games in which they had none, and 4 others where they had just 1 called.

 

[IM4NUalways]

I just saw the stat that there have been a total of 7 offensive holding calls in the past 6 Super Bowls(3 against KC)- so this one was not particularly unique.

It is also not particularly newsworthy that the Chiefs had no holding calls. While it is true they lead the league in Offensive Holding calls, there were 5 other games in which they had none, and 4 others where they had just 1 called.

When it counts. KC doesn't hold in the NFL.

 

[otismotis08]

When it counts. KC doesn't hold in the NFL.

Not a Chiefs fan per se, but I will call bs on that. They had a couple of linemen this year who were notorious for getting called for penalties.

 

[litespeedhuskerfan]

Not a Chiefs fan per se, but I will call bs on that. They had a couple of linemen this year who were notorious for getting called for penalties.

The stats show the Chiefs do not get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to flags...it isn't even debatable, but for some strange reason the narrative lives on.

 

[Husker4real]

The stats show the Chiefs do not get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to flags...it isn't even debatable, but for some strange reason the narrative lives on.

Complaining about officiating has become the ballad of the simpleton.

 

[IM4NUalways]

The stats show the Chiefs do not get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to flags...it isn't even debatable, but for some strange reason the narrative lives on.

Go watch the super bowl at key times. Bosa got mugged all day. Especially when it mattered.

 

[otismotis08]

Complaining about officiating has become the ballad of the simpleton.

Agreed, and I think this statement is true across many so-called fans.

When it comes to the players, it is equally annoying to see guys looking around for flags and constantly pleading to refs about penalties. Some players do it more than others. Wish there were a way to stop that, because it really detracts from the game itself. Do your job and let the refs do theirs.

 

[scarletred]

Agreed, and I think this statement is true across many so-called fans.

When it comes to the players, it is equally annoying to see guys looking around for flags and constantly pleading to refs about penalties. Some players do it more than others. Wish there were a way to stop that, because it really detracts from the game itself. Do your job and let the refs do theirs.

And there isn’t a player that does this more constantly like LeCry James..

 

[BleedRed78]

Go watch the super bowl at key times. Bosa got mugged all day. Especially when it mattered.

Ok let's overlook the fact the refs called a questionable horse collar on KC, missed a clear roughing the punter on the punt that lady luck shined on KC recovering after it hit the heel of a 9er player, and there was at least one or two penalties or lack thereof that seemed to indicate the refs were pulling for SF.

But sure, Chiefs totally got favored with some kind of lack of holding calls. Point: the argument can work both ways. Ultimately it was a fantastic competitive game between the two absolute top teams of the league.