Is Frost considered an elite...good...or average recruiter?
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I'd say at least a good recruiter, we'll start to know more as time goes on.
The UCF douche bags have claimed Oregon fans said he was a horrible, lazy recruiter. Other than that I have no idea. He hasn't pulled much in for talent at UCF. Granted he was only there 2 year and it is UCF for F-sake. The more important thing is, was able to get the full potential out of his 2 and 3 star guys that he has.
As head coach, I don't think he has to be the lead recruiter for anybody. He does need to learn how to close, though. Winning goes a long way in that regard. So does flashing national championship rings.
He is very good. 11-0 good. He does not need "Me Guys".
Learn how to close? Your sources? Best QB in the NCAA, several WR's, fastest RB, best Juco DB transfer . That's closing like a BEAST
Scott's best Helmets, signed by SF.
I thought he had the reputation as a good recruiter at Oregon. Oregon recruited much better than many seem to remember and UCF is recruiting better than they ever have and better than the rest of the American.
But what I like is that Frost is a system coach. We have a system to recruit to and can recruit to it and don’t have to compete with every other program for the same players. I think that is what Frost and Kelly have really excelled at, identifying guys that fit their system. Milton, Killins, etc
But what I like is that Frost is a system coach. We have a system to recruit to and can recruit to it and don’t have to compete with every other program for the same players. I think that is what Frost and Kelly have really excelled at, identifying guys that fit their system. Milton, Killins, etc
Well we'll find out. I think though his time as a recruiting assistant is not the same as that of a recruiting head coach. As a head coach he is more responsible for putting together a good recruiting staff and approving/driving the plan rather than going out on the road himself to smooze players. Different set of responsibilities.
And remember when Kelly was at Oregon Chip had the reputation for not liking the recruiting aspects of the job. Will probably be less important for Kelly at UCLA where the school location reduces the need to work it.
And remember when Kelly was at Oregon Chip had the reputation for not liking the recruiting aspects of the job. Will probably be less important for Kelly at UCLA where the school location reduces the need to work it.
Winning 'Coach of the Year' and
going 12-0
....the free publicity that being the hottest up and coming young coach in the country brings to you
...and you become one of the best recruiter in the country....Why?
...every young talented player will give you access....(and that is worth its weight in golden recruits).....
I think he is good at finding what fits rather then worrying about rankings. Now more importantly can his assistants recruit and he seal up the process when he meets them face to face. I think he will do well!
He's going to be a great recruiter. His mojo is just starting. Everyone knows who he is now.
Well said!!!Winning 'Coach of the Year' and
going 12-0
....the free publicity that being the hottest up and coming young coach in the country brings to you
...and you become one of the best recruiter in the country....Why?
...every young talented player will give you access....(and that is worth its weight in golden recruits).....
Learn how to close? Your sources? Best QB in the NCAA, several WR's, fastest RB, best Juco DB transfer . That's closing like a BEAST
Scott's best Helmets, signed by SF.
You're either the world's biggest UCF fan or the most elaborate troll of all time. Either way, bravo.
Won a super bowl, was MVP in that Super Bowl, historically has played his best football in the playoffs, and if the season ended today, the Ravens would be in the playoffs. Trust me, no one wants to play the Ravens in the playoffs and no one doubts Flacco in the playoffs. So if your saying Frost is the equivalent of that, will defiantly take that as a win. He doesn't need to be more than that
Nebrasaka football is about X's and O's. Oklahamoa football is the Jims and Joes. Time to get back to great fundamentals and winning by playing mistake free football.
Good, but can turn 3* into 4*. Or we hope. Get back to 8 and 9 wins.
It’s a little scary knowing he didn’t recruit great at superior schools and better recruiting grounds. Add to the fact he’ll be lucky to win 6 games his first year. The negative press could hurt the first couple of years. Then the talk of him being a cute, safe, hire will start all over. Mr nice guy.
If you’re are basing it off of stars…….average
If you are basing it off bringing in his players and winning…….Elite
If you are basing off most rss posters….poor
If you are basing it off bringing in his players and winning…….Elite
If you are basing off most rss posters….poor
Why do you keep saying this when it just isn't true? Frost has been proven a solid recruiter.
Also, what are these "superior schools"? He has been at Northern Iowa, Oregon and UCF. Which are superior to Nebraska?
The deal is Scott Frosts team was ranked #1 in their conference. They finished 55th- about 20 spots ahead of their Rival South Florida. Time will tell. https://247sports.com/Season/2017-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
He has brought in multiple 4-stars at UCF, which never does that, and has put together the best classes in the American. He also identified and hit big on three stars Killins and Milton.
At Oregon he was responsible for signing the following:
Travis Walker: 4-Star (6.0)
Charles Nelson: 3-Star (5.5)
Jalen Brown: 4-Star (5.9)
Morgan Mahalak: 4-Star (5.8)
Devon Allen: 4-star (5.8)
Darren Carrington: 4-Star (5.8)
Chase Allen: 3-Star (5.6)
Braylon Addison: 4-Star (5.8)
Dwayne Stanford: 4-Star (5.8)
B.J. Kelly: 3-Star (5.6)
Devon Blackmon: 4-Star (6.0)
Rashan Vaughn: 4-Star (5.8)
Tacoi Sumler: 4-Star (5.8)
Josh Huff: 4-Star (5.8)
Keanon Lowe: 4-Star (5.8)
So in his six seasons at Oregon, he signed 12, 4-Stars and 3 , 3-Stars. Sounds like a heck of a recruiter to me. When is the last time we had an assistant coach recruit at that level?
At Oregon he was responsible for signing the following:
Travis Walker: 4-Star (6.0)
Charles Nelson: 3-Star (5.5)
Jalen Brown: 4-Star (5.9)
Morgan Mahalak: 4-Star (5.8)
Devon Allen: 4-star (5.8)
Darren Carrington: 4-Star (5.8)
Chase Allen: 3-Star (5.6)
Braylon Addison: 4-Star (5.8)
Dwayne Stanford: 4-Star (5.8)
B.J. Kelly: 3-Star (5.6)
Devon Blackmon: 4-Star (6.0)
Rashan Vaughn: 4-Star (5.8)
Tacoi Sumler: 4-Star (5.8)
Josh Huff: 4-Star (5.8)
Keanon Lowe: 4-Star (5.8)
So in his six seasons at Oregon, he signed 12, 4-Stars and 3 , 3-Stars. Sounds like a heck of a recruiter to me. When is the last time we had an assistant coach recruit at that level?
Lots of Kool Aide drinkers in this post because I think the only true answer is "we don't know yet". He has the intangibles but like others have said recruiting is more about the staff he assembles. Many head coaches don't recruit or don't like to recruit. I think we were spoiled with Riley because he was a good recruiter and genuinely seemed to enjoy it. I would picture Frost as more of a "Closer" and thats probably about it for this recruiting season. He will have a bunch on his plate getting everything organized between hiring coaches, support staff, meeting current players, moving, occasionally seeing his young family......... I think we all hope that he will put together a great staff that will excel at recruiting but not sure anyone can say he is going to be great because we truly are hoping because there is no Power5 HC track record to support that. Lets let it all play out and not create unrealistic expectations before it even starts. GBR
it's what every Oregon fan told us when we were researching him after he was hired at UCF.
He's a 'good' recruiter but recruits to a system. Chinander is the better individual recruiter
For example he is not on Willie Taggart's level as a Recruiter from the Head Coach role.
Doesn't matter as long as he's smart enough to put a few elite recruiters on his staff.
I think we do know what kind of recruiter he is, see my post above. But you are right, it will come down to what kind of staff he assembles and their ability to recruit nationally.
He’s averaged one 4*. I meant recruiting grounds. PAC north west and Florida are far superior that Neb or our 500 MIke radius.
To play Devil's Advocate on that logic was Frost solely responsible for those players signing? Was Nike/Oregon/other relationships in play? And by that I will use Iowa as an example, last year they started off with a great recruiting class but it was full of legacy players and area players who grew up Hawkeye fans. That is not to take away from Frost's list because honestly I have no idea about Oregon recruits and their reasons for selecting Oregon but for all we know there could have been other factors in play. I am not trying to rain on any parades, just hoping that the Husker Faithful will calm down their expectations because right now so many of them have highly unrealistic expectations of Frost. We need to let this play out, the best thing we can do is give our 1000% support of Scott and the Huskers but quit trying to project what we "think" he is going to be able to do with the football program especially when it comes to his recruiting success. Too many factors in play to know and we stilla re not 100% sure who his asst coaches will be. We don't know if the UCF coaches he brings along will be able to recruit against the Michigan's and OSU's of the world. Gonna be a fun month or two for the Huskers but we need to be realistic and just let Frost do his thing because he has the keys to the program. GBR
But but but but it's Florida, 4* recruits just fall into your locker room when you're located in the south!
Frost was generally considered a good recruiter at Oregon in his days there. At UCF, his classes haven't been a lot better than what his predecessors classes were. One class was a transition class though and the other had the cloud of him possibly leaving hanging over him. I think as a recruiter here, he will be a work in process, but will have the resources of a top notch recruiting department at his availability(hope they keep those guys here). I think at Nebraska, it is a stair step type of process when it comes to recruiting and winning. I don't think anyone is going to come in and get a top 5/10 class right away, but if they can get into the 20's, coach them up and show that you can win, the classes after that will get better and better and more wins will come. I really think that if someone can get the ball rolling, that NU can become a recruiting monster. We have to show that we can win.
gonna share another recruiting story, on a small level to try to prove my point but more so because it is kinda funny. Shows how small the difference can be between success in recruiting and failing in recruiting. As many know I have all kinds of ties to the Kansas program and know a whole bunch of the players, boosters, ...... A bunch of the former players are good friends of mine. One had a very successful career there and then went to the NFL. I asked him why he went to KU because he was from the East Coast plus was highly rated. here is the story and the only reason I am sharing it is because he passed away recently and would chuckle at me passing it on:
He had a relative that was the HC of KU, Glen Mason and as a family favor he agreed to visit. He was planning on going to Tennessee but felt he should at least visit Glen to keep the family happy. On the recruiting visit there were many highly rated prospects from California and other areas that eventually played in the NFL (Dana Stubblefield, Gilbert Brown,.....). Well bottom line is that these recruits all got along very well plus had a crazy wild weekend of partying. And I mean crazy, High School kids really had their eyes opened. Over some serious drinking saturday night they all laughed and said they should all go to KU together to turn it around. Bottom line they made the Drunken Pact and somehow stuck to it. I will tell you that I can see how that cast of characters wanted to play together because they are a complete riot to hang around with and just play off each other. Fun people and I have laughed my ass off listening to them tell stories or just bust on each other. As a coach sometimes it is better to be lucky than good, and Glen mason wasn't that good which I know firsthand because my brother worked for the KU Athletic Department during his tenure as football coach.
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For me, it's irrelevant what he was considered as a recruiter. He's got a completely different responsibility at Nebraska and that's as a closer. With that said, IIRC he did elevate UCF's recruiting as far as Rivals rankings is concerned so if that's accurate it's a good sign (heard this but didn't verify).
His assistants and recruiting staff is where it happens so I'm anxious to see who he hires and how he structures recruiting.
His assistants and recruiting staff is where it happens so I'm anxious to see who he hires and how he structures recruiting.
Wow, that's great. Remember Tod Peat Jr choosing Nebraska over ASU because he was a Nebraska license plate and thought it was a sign? I know of a player currently at Wisconsin that was set to go to another school before he visited Wisconsin. While on his trip, they introduced him an attractive track athlete and she started sending him snapchats, ect, next thing you know he is putting on the Wisconsin hat and it had nothing to do with coaches, facilities, PT or academics.
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I remember in a Rival recruiting chat room years ago, talking with Jammal Brown, the DT who signed with Oklahoma and became an Outland Trophy winning offensive lineman. He really wanted to go to Nebraska, but his girlfriend and baby mamma was staying close to home in Lawton, Oklahoma. Decision made.
Just yesterday I was reading about Oklahoma OL standout Orlando Brown. His dad played in the NFL, but he was a 400-pound high schooler, and when his grades dipped Tennessee pulled their scholarship offer. His high school coached called Oklahoma and convinced them to take a shot with him. Based on a relationship the coaches had, they accepted him. Oklahoma didn't even have to recruit, his coach called and pleaded with them.
It just goes to show there isn't always some rational decision weighing pros and cons of weight rooms and training tables. A lot of it is relationships, and some of it is just dumb luck.
Just yesterday I was reading about Oklahoma OL standout Orlando Brown. His dad played in the NFL, but he was a 400-pound high schooler, and when his grades dipped Tennessee pulled their scholarship offer. His high school coached called Oklahoma and convinced them to take a shot with him. Based on a relationship the coaches had, they accepted him. Oklahoma didn't even have to recruit, his coach called and pleaded with them.
It just goes to show there isn't always some rational decision weighing pros and cons of weight rooms and training tables. A lot of it is relationships, and some of it is just dumb luck.
UCF was 55th in recruiting in 2017
They have the 48th best class now (Im guessing it would be even better had it not been for the rumors of him leaving)
An average of about 51st
Before Scott Frost:
2015- 71st
2014- 61st
2013- 79th
An average of about 70th
That would be in improvement of 20 spots or nearly 30%
Looks like he has made a significant improvement from years past in a very short period of time
They have the 48th best class now (Im guessing it would be even better had it not been for the rumors of him leaving)
An average of about 51st
Before Scott Frost:
2015- 71st
2014- 61st
2013- 79th
An average of about 70th
That would be in improvement of 20 spots or nearly 30%
Looks like he has made a significant improvement from years past in a very short period of time
This x 1000. We'll get an idea, initially, of how good of a recruiter he is. But how good of a recruiter he is now doesn't matter because if he turns this around and wins a BIG 10 championship, recruiting will pretty much become easy. Our one huge downside is obviously proximity to talent but this can be countered simply by winning. Think about you only need to find 25 kids out of thousands. Establish a winning culture and recruiting takes care of itself imo.
I think you have to take "great" recruiter with a grain of salt. The guys that recruited "great" at multiple places have generally brought in players who were looking for advantages, cars, cash, and such. Coach Blake is a great example, we were lucky to lose him before we went on probation. Also Ed Orgeron is another...has been at multiple places that were later investigated for suspicious recruiting activities. Including, LSU, RIGHT NOW! Places in recruiting hotspots always recruit well, the coaches they happen to have are then good recruiters. The reality is Scott Frost been a part of teams and players that have overachieved in every season he has coached. It has happened too many times to be coincidence.
Frost was one of Chips ace recruiters. He brought in a load of 4 star athletes. But once he became a coordinator, not so much. Plus, if you look at UCF 2 deep depth chart, it’s loaded with a lot of freshman and sophomores he recruited.
