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One of my favs was the guarantee Samardzia would be a multiple time Cy-Young award winner.
Even better was the for sure set in stone secret no buyout that Harvey forced Bo to agree to. Bo was playing checkers and Harvey is a chess master. What a joke and it went on for weeks.
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You are a hundred per cent right. Sadly Bo had put coach p in charge and maybe handcuffed him ? Its sad that a head coach would let special teams be horrible until he could do it hands on; I know I supported the program and therefore him then, but this is a big symptom of his problems. IMO you have to delegate to good assistants and help them achieve great results or make ongoing adjustments. Ahem, even in game adjustments have been called lacking in the Bo era.
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Did you even watch any of Westys attempted punt returns two years ago? There was 0 blocking by the line, every time he tried to catch it there was at least 5 defenders surrounding him, the only thing he could do was fair catch and multiple times he at least tried making something happen but there was no room. DPE was an excellent PR but as mentioned by others they actually practiced PR last year and had blocking to give him open lanes to run. Make a man or two miss with good blocking and you have the potential for a huge PR. Anyone that can catch the ball can go back and PR if there is good blocking. Not saying they well be as good as DPE because his vision is great to but they can still be serviceable
Before commenting on punt returner position, I think a person should be required to stand back there himself and try to catch one of these bombs. Possession is 9/10ths of the job, right? Would you rather have a great runner that can't catch & causes turnovers? Turnovers greatly affect game outcomes.
Got it, no passing and qb sneaks. No reason to excel. Even Westy drops balls and fumbles. Why did T O ever do quick plays, someone slip something into his oatmeal? How many fumbles a game do you see in games receiving punts? Its rare, and for that you want to go back too horrible and not flip the field?
Whoa there now. You might want to back down just a little from your rhetoric. You talk like Westerkamp is a statue. The guy has above average speed and has shown the ability after catching a pass to make a guy miss. You are equating having him back there to just letting the ball bounce and that isn't the case. Westerkamp isn't DPE but he ain't chopped liver either. I've caught punts in games. It ain't easy and believe me your first job is to catch the ball. He'll be fine assuming somebody else doesn't step up. I just don't want to go back to the Callahan days of having NOBODY that could catch a punt for weeks. It cost us tremendous amounts of field position.
Was trying to point out we have alternatives. So what if it isn't easy to catch; according to the paper, Westy fumbled two of 19; doesn't sound good, and he has great talents. If you take away his one 19 yard return he averaged a yard a return; poor scheme or not, not good - so why weren't they fair catches ? My comment on leaning forward on fair catches to get that yard; was intended as a type of humor.
We have tons of talent on this team; Westy did not attain average, I would hate to just write off this unit like Bo seemed to do for a few years, till he could get to it. If Westy is showing it, great; I am not the coach or at practice. T O strived to win in every category; because a good day in one could make all the difference in some games.... I agree on the Callahan days; but why play intimidated? I also don't think it got done before Bo played a ( shock ) freshman; we have guys who can catch punts. I also understand its close to first game, so steady the ship with experience - but still develop the next best up.
We have tons of talent on this team; Westy did not attain average, I would hate to just write off this unit like Bo seemed to do for a few years, till he could get to it. If Westy is showing it, great; I am not the coach or at practice. T O strived to win in every category; because a good day in one could make all the difference in some games.... I agree on the Callahan days; but why play intimidated? I also don't think it got done before Bo played a ( shock ) freshman; we have guys who can catch punts. I also understand its close to first game, so steady the ship with experience - but still develop the next best up.
I know dinglefritz is related to a booster, hence the connection but it's not like he advertises it
There is a flaw in your contention. That being that Harvey didn't have the political clout to oust Bo because of Tom. Harvey forced Coach Osborne out, so to say that he didn't have the authority to terminate Bo is just plain false. Coach Osborne wanted to remain Athletic Director for another 2-3 years, but Harvey forced him out. Fact.
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No link to provide. But when members of the AD are very upset because they hate Bo yet they're loyal to Osborne there's gonna be a problem. In the heat of the moment friends talk over coffee and say their peace.
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The Westerkamp thing is overblown IMO.
Let's throw out this tidbit...DPE had more return yards than most teams in Div1. One on hand it shows how good of a player DPE was at that particular facet of the game. On the other, it shows how the sky isn't falling on most of Div1 football teams, simply because they don't have a DPE back there.
The biggest worry I'd have about Westy is if he gets hurt and now we're out a #1 WR. But if Mosely and Kalu and others can't reliably field the punt at this time (who knows how they progress through the year and what their relative level of dynamism is to Westy), then Westy needs to do it.
Let's throw out this tidbit...DPE had more return yards than most teams in Div1. One on hand it shows how good of a player DPE was at that particular facet of the game. On the other, it shows how the sky isn't falling on most of Div1 football teams, simply because they don't have a DPE back there.
The biggest worry I'd have about Westy is if he gets hurt and now we're out a #1 WR. But if Mosely and Kalu and others can't reliably field the punt at this time (who knows how they progress through the year and what their relative level of dynamism is to Westy), then Westy needs to do it.
All valid points, and I was a bit heavy on it; just don't get the argument we can't find another. Westy is a great receiver; his return stats were not - two muffs per the paper and next too nothing in return yards is not acceptable out of 19 returns. I understand throw in a trusted player and then develop others; but the position has too produce.
Our return schemes were ridiculous when he was trying to return punts. He'll be fine with a little help from a blocker or two. Trying to just even catch the punt is tough when you know you've got a gunner with his sights on you. He isn't The Jet but the guy is more elusive than you give him credit for. JMHO.
Related to a booster? Sure but I know lots of boosters. Everybody knows boosters. I AM a booster albeit not to the extent of some of the people that post on this board. I give most of my charitable dollars to my church. A few of the people I know are or have been more involved with the program than just boosters. I don't know the type of boosters with the kind of clout that could pull Harvey's strings. I know people that know those guys.
Keep living in fantasy land believing the lies. There is no way in hell that Harvey had the political clout to force Tom to do anything. I know more about that situation than I can share but Tom needed to retire. Tom had the numbers on the BOR until he let HP and his minions on the BOR know that he was going to retire. Once that cat was out of the bag, HP rightly moved quickly to name a successor before Tom could appoint one of his boys like he did with Frank. Hiring Frank might have been the right move at the time, but there is no question that Tom overstepped his authority at the time. I'm done debating this topic and you can keep blathering your nonsense if you want.
What I find incredibly poetic how Pelini was his own worst enemy till the very end. Only a certified lunatic calls his former boss a **** in a open room and NOT expect it to be recorded! Hahahaha!!!!!! Any chance he had to call foul with his firing was destroyed... CLASSIC BO ALL THE WAY!!!!!!
Good to hear. I was fairly convinced that I would have to open my pocketbook to get that information.
You really have no clue what you are talking about. You can continue to personally attack me, but I am 100% confident in my source. Hard to question the source when the source is the subject of contention. Chew on that, pal.
Legal authority versus political and moral authority are very different things. The monetary amount called the executive committee of the BOR in to play as well and we all know how that was stacked. HP would have payed a heavy price if he had pulled the plug without the BOR's blessings. You call it balls, I call it good political sense.
Personally attack you? How so? I attacked the nonsense that you've been spouting on here for the last 9 months. So you say Tom is your source? Yeah right. I'm sure he would approve of you saying that on a message board when he has publicly denied your accusations on multiple occasions. I never say this, but I'm saying it now. Prove it. Tom was mad as hell that Harvey out maneuvered him and didn't let him name his successor and thank God for that or we would probably still have your buddy Bo telling us all to go f### ourselves. But Tom DECIDED to retire and NOBODY was going to make that decision for him other than himself. He could have made Harvey fire him. How far do you think that would have gone? Take your bulls### to Youngstown with your buddy Bo. BTW since you're so tight with former coaches, ask Frank how he feels about Bo. Of course Tom didn't listen to Frank when he hired Bo so what the hell does it matter. Frank warned him. Chew on that, pal.
