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But if you plan to play a player less as the season goes on, why move him from #3 to #2 on the depth chart? They could have listed him as "or". They could have left him at #3 and gave him 2 passes a game. He's theoretically 1 injury away from starting, the depth chart is to be believed. He's not a threat to leave, so no need to try to play to his ego by moving him up.

He's the only skill position player that is playing real snaps and wasn't here for at least spring ball, and he is moving up. I see more snaps in his future. And just to he clear, I'm not claiming he will win any awards this year. Just saying I think he will continue to get more snaps and opportunities to make plays.
Maybe they are trying to motivate the upperclassmen who seem to have an issue with effort and blocking.
 
Better coaching, I mean, maybe.

I have been on more than a few staffs and most of the guys on the staffs have little playing experience past HS ball and no coaching experience besides what we as a staff do. They make up their own drills or take them from YouTube.

The biggest difference is really staff members that actually no how to look at film and staff members that know how to game plan.
The bigger the school the more coaching "staff" aka, parent help, you'll have and I agree that the "staff" probably isn't all that great.

But you take the main 3 coaches at a Class A school and they're going to be much better than the top 3 coaches as a Class C2 school.

That's not taking anything away from Class C2 coaches. There are a LOT of great coaches at the smaller Nebraska schools, but the larger schools just require & expect more. Especially when you can transfer wherever in Omaha (for the most part I believe) so you want to show your worth as a coach and get the best players across the city.

I'm just glad you're not making a ridiculous comment that 8-man football is barely the same sport as 11-man football.
 
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My thought in posting that most lower class athletes really don't have a great understanding of what they're going to run into at a P5 school is that it may not matter that much whether it was 8 or 11 man. It's all going to be extremely different for them. The little I've watched of 8 man football I was impressed by how different it was. By all accounts Nelson is a very bright guy so I suspect he'll pick things up quickly but it has to be a huge jump. He looked great in the Polynesian Bowl but we run a pretty complex offense.
This is true but to clarify, it isn't because he's playing 8-man football and not 11-man football. It's because he's playing at a smaller school.

The idea that if he was playing 11-man football in Valentine, NE (for example) then he'd be so much further along is plain silly.
 
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This is probably pretty accurate.

I have never coached 6 or 8 man FB but I have seen it and I know some coaches that coach it, you are basically just begging every boy in the school to come out for the team. You can only do so much at practice because most of the time you don't have enough players to really scrimmage, so you do a lot of half-line stuff.

Plus, for the most part, you are not having a depth chart, so it is not like there is the "second string center" there is just, the 9th best player.

So your center might get dinged up and more than likely, a dude that is currently on the field is just moving over to center and the 9th best kid is coming off the tiny little wooden bench to take the spot he vacated.

I did coach C-1 and C-2 for a few years and let me tell you, it was very basic. There is nothing wrong with that, we won a lot of games being basic. But our "skill" guys were not getting some amazing coaching or technique work.
Exactly. C1 and C2 (11-man) are very basic just like D1 and D2 (8-man).

So the difference isn't because it's 11-man vs 8-man. It's when you get to the Class A level and possibly some Class B level.
 
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Maybe, but if he is so limited by the playbook that you can't take snaps away then I don't see the point. Usually you motivate people with lack of playing time, not a position on the depth chart.
The dude has had less than 15 offensive snaps in 3 blowout games. Talent isn't an issue.... Idc where he is on the depth chart, he clearly doesn't have a full grasp of the offense. It seems obvious to me.
 
Exactly. C1 and C2 (11-man) are very basic just like D1 and D2 (8-man).

So the difference isn't because it's 11-man vs 8-man. It's when you get to the Class A level and possibly some Class B level.
So after all of these mental gymnastics and reclarifying your point multiple times, your split hairs argument is that his adjustment is solely based on coming from lower tier football, not 8 man......vs my general argument that it is a huge adjustment coming from 8 man ball, which by direct association is lower tier football.

Congratulations, you spent 3 days arguing a fringe point to white knight for 8 man football, only to in essence agree with me.......👏👏
 
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The dude has had less than 15 offensive snaps in 3 blowout games. Talent isn't an issue.... Idc where he is on the depth chart, he clearly doesn't have a full grasp of the offense. It seems obvious to me.
Curious, where do find the snap count? I can only find a participation report showing who played.
 
The bigger the school the more coaching "staff" aka, parent help, you'll have and I agree that the "staff" probably isn't all that great.

But you take the main 3 coaches at a Class A school and they're going to be much better than the top 3 coaches as a Class C2 school.

That's not taking anything away from Class C2 coaches. There are a LOT of great coaches at the smaller Nebraska schools, but the larger schools just require & expect more. Especially when you can transfer wherever in Omaha (for the most part I believe) so you want to show your worth as a coach and get the best players across the city.

I'm just glad you're not making a ridiculous comment that 8-man football is barely the same sport as 11-man football.
Parent help is 99% of the time a nightmare, not a help. It just isn't helpful at all. Non-parent volunteers are a goldmine!

But yeah, the top 3 coaches at the schools pretty much do it all and PROBABLY the bigger the school the better the coaches just because most coaches want to be a bigger schools.
 
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Curious, where do find the snap count? I can only find a participation report showing who played.
It's on PFF premium. They post the game by game breakdowns on On3. I dont have an account there, so I have to check with buddies, but for UNI I was given 8 snaps, 4 catches. I know he's on kickoff return, so that's 2 snaps. I'm not sure if he's on other units but I'd assume a couple. So roughly you could assume he play 4-5 offensive snaps that were almost exclusively designed for him.
 
It's on PFF premium. They post the game by game breakdowns on On3. I dont have an account there, so I have to check with buddies, but for UNI I was given 8 snaps, 4 catches. I know he's on kickoff return, so that's 2 snaps. I'm not sure if he's on other units but I'd assume a couple. So roughly you could assume he play 4-5 offensive snaps that were almost exclusively designed for him.
Ok. Was at the game and it seemed like more than that, but I'm sure your info is correct.
 
last year he was significantly out-performed by Haarberg

I expect more of the same from him

he sucks
I think the Husker D is more than capable of putting pressure on Altmeyer and make his night in Memorial Stadium an uncomfortable one. You think Rhule upgraded Mazzccua to available because he thinks he needs him to protect DR and get a run game going or because Mazzccua has been doing the right things to get out of Rhule's doghouse?
 
You think Rhule upgraded Mazzccua to available because he thinks he needs him to protect DR and get a run game going or because Mazzccua has been doing the right things to get out of Rhule's doghouse?
I think Rhule plays the long game with teachable moments. If he had neen benched for behavior for X amount of time, but is allowed to play before his suspension is up, that is sending a message to the team that good players get special treatment. Rather, I suspect Mazz was suspended "TBD depending on attitude" and he's been upgraded due to positive steps in attitude. A teachable scenario for both him and the team as a whole.
 
I think the Husker D is more than capable of putting pressure on Altmeyer and make his night in Memorial Stadium an uncomfortable one. You think Rhule upgraded Mazzccua to available because he thinks he needs him to protect DR and get a run game going or because Mazzccua has been doing the right things to get out of Rhule's doghouse?
my best guess on Rhule's backtracking with MM is that he just spoke too soon/said too much and it has nothing to do with our opponent

happens to guys who talk a lot
 
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But if you plan to play a player less as the season goes on, why move him from #3 to #2 on the depth chart? They could have listed him as "or". They could have left him at #3 and gave him 2 passes a game. He's theoretically 1 injury away from starting, the depth chart is to be believed. He's not a threat to leave, so no need to try to play to his ego by moving him up.

He's the only skill position player that is playing real snaps and wasn't here for at least spring ball, and he is moving up. I see more snaps in his future. And just to he clear, I'm not claiming he will win any awards this year. Just saying I think he will continue to get more snaps and opportunities to make plays.
There’s a reason top 5 programs were flying in to O’Neill to visit him. There’s no sense in redshirting him. Barring injury he won’t be in Lincoln for 4 years.
 
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He didn't speak to soon or say to much. MM served time in the bench. You really love to gaslight any situation Rhule is in. Beyond strange
I'm simply speaking from experience as someone who also talks a lot.

Rhule's MM comments came after he was benched last weekend.

my explanation is the most likely scenario. it happens.
 
There’s a reason top 5 programs were flying in to O’Neill to visit him. There’s no sense in redshirting him. Barring injury he won’t be in Lincoln for 4 years.
How would this be even possible? He wouldn't have played a dozen years or so of 11-man football.

Smokin
 
I'm simply speaking from experience as someone who also talks a lot.

Rhule's MM comments came after he was benched last weekend.

my explanation is the most likely scenario. it happens.
Well there are the facts folks. The most likely scenario. Preacher Gas-bag Rhule has clearly mishandled ANOTHER situation…Does he make it to the end of the season?
 
If you really want to play the "gotcha" game, study Kong.

You need help to do what you are trying, maybe he will give you an internship?

Otherwise, I will confess, I do not think you argue particularly well.

Go Big Red!!!
The last thing this board wants is another Kong (no offense Kong).

I agree, I could argue much better. I've never had the strong skill set to put my thoughts on paper. I'm much better debating verbally.

But, you have to admit that I'm;

1) Consistant.
2) I don't change the subject or move the goal post.
3) I don't exaggerated, speak in absolutes or hyperbole.
 
Yes, verbatim means I can just quote what you mean. Not the word salad that you re-clarify every post...

Right...you've made your point about as clear as mud. And you've provided like 4 examples, over the last couple decades, where schools have consolidated, and moved up to 11 man and continued to win games.

Well these kids played on state championship basketball teams, won medals in track, and made the quarter finals in football 3 years...and come from families full of college players. I guess if you want to be subjective, then we could argue if they are "terrible players" but I trust them more than you. And I trust myself more than you. And 8 man football isn't real football. It's a completely different game than 11 man. And it only adds to the adjustment of playing at NU as a freshman.

Most kids that are making instant impacts in P4 ball are working with personal training staff by middle school. I'm not saying that's necessary, but playing a dozen years of developmental football in 8 man western Nebraska stacks the deck against you more than 11 man in a die hard Texas metro.

I guess we will just agree to disagree dude.
No, verbatim means to quote in exactly the same words as were used originally. Not, "what someone means".

I provided 5 examples, not 4. I also didn't go through all of the schools who jumped from 8-man up to 11-man. There may be only 5 examples in total and I listed them all so I'd be batting 1000. Feel free to disprove me, but you asked for examples and I gave them.

I'm not sure why I'm arguing with someone who thinks 8-man isn't real football? Wtf do you think (roughly) half of the schools playing HS ball on Friday nights are doing?

Now you're adding in another variable into the equation. You're of course doing this to try and strengthen your argument, but debating doesn't work like that.
 
So after all of these mental gymnastics and reclarifying your point multiple times, your split hairs argument is that his adjustment is solely based on coming from lower tier football, not 8 man......vs my general argument that it is a huge adjustment coming from 8 man ball, which by direct association is lower tier football.

Congratulations, you spent 3 days arguing a fringe point to white knight for 8 man football, only to in essence agree with me.......👏👏
I gave you that answer in my first and third responses back to you. Pay attention.

The difference and tougher part to overcome is the level of competition he's been going against now.
He's not "behind" because he didn't play 11-man ball. He's "behind" because he didn't play Class A ball

Obviously we dont agree because you believe that if Carter had played 11-man ball for some C2 school then he'd be much further along than he is now. Whereas, I don't believe that.
 
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How would this be even possible? He wouldn't have played a dozen years or so of 11-man football.

Smokin
Freak athlete It has little to do with where played. I’m assuming he got some coaching at summer camps as well. I doubt he went to an 8 man specific camp.
 
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I gave you that answer in my first and third responses back to you. Pay attention.




Obviously we dont agree because you believe that if Carter had played 11-man ball for some C2 school then he'd be much further along than he is now. Whereas, I don't believe that.
It's hard to pay attention when half of your responses say "let me clarify/I should have clarified/etc." Then I am left to argue with a guy who has 2-3 different arguments going at once because he can't form a coherent point.

My argument was more general....8 man/small school vs 11 man/larger school. For some reason you keep wanting to spin this back into some pro 8 man argument. Typical straw man move, where I want to argue 8 man vs 11 man, and I'm being pigeon holed into arguing D1 vs C2 for some reason.

But yes. I think ANY 11 man experience would have Nelson further along. The level of said 11 man ball, that impact could be more or less.
 
No, verbatim means to quote in exactly the same words as were used originally. Not, "what someone means".

I provided 5 examples, not 4. I also didn't go through all of the schools who jumped from 8-man up to 11-man. There may be only 5 examples in total and I listed them all so I'd be batting 1000. Feel free to disprove me, but you asked for examples and I gave them.

I'm not sure why I'm arguing with someone who thinks 8-man isn't real football? Wtf do you think (roughly) half of the schools playing HS ball on Friday nights are doing?

Now you're adding in another variable into the equation. You're of course doing this to try and strengthen your argument, but debating doesn't work like that.
Dude I'm so lost. You've already responded to this once...

Yes, 5 examples, that i could care less to corroborate, over 10-20-30 years....5 guys win the lottery per year too, but they are the exception, not the rule.
 
Dude I'm so lost. You've already responded to this once...

Yes, 5 examples, that i could care less to corroborate, over 10-20-30 years....5 guys win the lottery per year too, but they are the exception, not the rule.
Sorry you're lost on what verbatim means. Idk how to help you out there.

How many teams have moved up from 8-man to 11-man football? If you don't know (which is fine), then how could you know whether they are the exception or the rule?
 
It's hard to pay attention when half of your responses say "let me clarify/I should have clarified/etc." Then I am left to argue with a guy who has 2-3 different arguments going at once because he can't form a coherent point.

My argument was more general....8 man/small school vs 11 man/larger school. For some reason you keep wanting to spin this back into some pro 8 man argument. Typical straw man move, where I want to argue 8 man vs 11 man, and I'm being pigeon holed into arguing D1 vs C2 for some reason.

But yes. I think ANY 11 man experience would have Nelson further along. The level of said 11 man ball, that impact could be more or less.
Half of my responses? I'm pretty sure I said "let me clarify" one time to you.

Nuances & being specific are important while you feel they are not. You're lumping all 11-man football together while I am not.
 
Sorry you're lost on what verbatim means. Idk how to help you out there.

How many teams have moved up from 8-man to 11-man football? If you don't know (which is fine), then how could you know whether they are the exception or the rule?
See now you're changing your own argument....because you went out of your way to explain earlier that they went up to 11 man and had success.

I'm good man. You're a schizophrenic.
 
Half of my responses? I'm pretty sure I said "let me clarify" one time to you.

Nuances & being specific are important while you feel they are not. You're lumping all 11-man football together while I am not.
That's because I am making a GENERAL common sense argument that a kid, no matter how talented, is going to be behind in development from playing 8 man ball(small school implied) than if he played 11 man ball(larger school implied).

I didn't think that was controversial until I ran into the white knight of 8 man ball who decided to take offense. JFC
 
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See now you're changing your own argument....because you went out of your way to explain earlier that they went up to 11 man and had success.

I'm good man. You're a schizophrenic.
I'm not though. I looked briefly and found 5 schools that jumped from 8-man to 11-man and all 5 of those schools had successful seasons in 11-man. Being 8-man previously wasn't a hindrance (how could that be? They were barely playing football before)....

I'm not going to pretend that those were the ONLY 5 schools to jump from 8-man up to 11-man. It's possible there were more which is a reasonable take.

You're either too lazy or just don't care enough to see what other schools made the jump from 8-man to 11-man. Probably the latter, but if you're not going to do a little bit of research, then don't come at me like I'm wrong unless you have proof.
 
That's because I am making a GENERAL common sense argument that a kid, no matter how talented, is going to be behind in development from playing 8 man ball(small school implied) than if he played 11 man ball(larger school implied).

I didn't think that was controversial until I ran into the white knight of 8 man ball who decided to take offense. JFC
Nobody is offended. I just think your general take is stupid.

I tried helping you out by saying Class A ball would have made a difference, but you keep doubling down that 8-man vs 11-man, in general, is so different and that 8-man is barely even football.
 
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