And then we can add in the fumblerooskie!!! You're getting me excited.
(Before anyone says anything, I know it was outlawed after 1992.)
I Formation
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(Before anyone says anything, I know it was outlawed after 1992.)
Didn’t it just seem like the runs we had out of that formation were just faster and had more “pop” than our supposedly up tempo spread formations? I remember the one run out of the I formation where Martinez just did a quick pitch out to Maurice, who was already moving forward towards the line of scrimmage, and Mo hit the line with speed and force, gaining about 8 yards. That was beautiful. But then, after the pic, we abandoned it.
Early on it confused OSU. The more we ran it OSU was adapting to it. I still think Osborne's offense would work today and it probably fits our current O line better, but putting in a few plays for a big game is way different than totally changing your offense. That's an off season job.
Agreed. And I doubt Frost will ever abandon his version of Chip’s offense as our base offense. But I really think having the I formation in our arsenal is ideal. Even Osborne switched out of the I formation into shotgun spread formations from time to time.
We played better last night when we were in the I formation. They could not stop it. Why go away from it? I don't understand his play calling? Everyone could see the I formation working good on TV! Does someone help Scott Frost calling plays? Can someone tell him during the game the I formation is better than that finesse stuff he is forcing on his team. His QB is not able to make those short passes? His QB is actually hurting this team in my opinion. Someone needs to tell him during the game- because we are getting out coached and out played. Scott is not a good OC. He needs help.
Like Dingle said they caught on to it after a short while the key is having more plays to work off of it..
But it isn’t the idea at that point to be good enough to just make it work? We all know what Wisconsin is going to do on 3rd and 2, but it works anyway because they’re built to just make it happen. I’m sure Frost is a smart man, but if there’s anything in this world that Frost can make happen, I’m sure it’s cover to cover of the 90s option attack
I don’t know about that. We only ran the I formation on that one series. And it was successful. After the interception we never tried it again. Or did we and I was just too drunk and despairing at that point to notice?
And my sister was in skybox seats with her husband. Got tickets from a booster they know who couldn’t bear to go because he suspected the result. Lol
Anyway... she said when we started running out of the I formation the entire sky box area erupted wth huge cheers and shouts. She went out into the concourse area and heard loud cheers coming out of every skybox. Yes!
- it takes the shotgun snap out of the equation.
- allows lineman to block downfield without risk of penalty
- no thinking or reading needed by qb, just execution
- if the move is more wholesale, they could play more conventional defense
- positive yards running the ball yields success over the long term, including building confidence
- Passing then becomes more effective, as you pass less and less risk of interceptions
- Less risk of handoff -pull ball out miscues
- simplification all the way around for every player
- make fans and TO happy, just added bonus
- doesn't cue the defense on which side the play is going.
I hope in due time we start running it predominately most of the time! Loved seeing it but never wanted it gone in the first place.
Oh, me too sir. Throwing away smash-mouth football for Clownahan's fluff-ball was a monster sized disaster.
Thank you. I get so sick of people that think it's productive to just say "inexcusable" and "unacceptable", like that is accomplishing anything. They can't handle an actual discussion of the team and the issues, because those are "excuses". We all want to have a better, more complete team, but just demanding it and trashing everyone associated with the program, because we don't have it right now is childish, entitled behavior.
He did it alot his last several years. In a lot of ways, we had a modern power spread offense 20+ years ago.
*linemen still have to block, pull, trap, pin, pass pro. Not sure what changes there. What does the “risk of penalty” have to do with it?
* the QB still has to make reads. That never goes away.
*so, changing the O would allow the D to change? Wow
Don’t get me wrong, I love the information. That’s what I ran my last two years in HS but you won’t get away from the basics of blocking, line reads, QB adjustments and hard running.
Me2. Our OL is probably better at moving around and chipping/trap blocking than holding a block and pass protect. Good post.
Plus our RBs are Boss!
We ran it on the goal line play where Wandale got stuffed, that everyone hates so much.
I liked it because it took advantage of something our center is good at (blocking) and avoided something he struggles with (shotgun snaps). Until he gets better at it, I'd be happy to see more snaps under center. I am amazed that Adrian hasn't lost a ton of fumbles because of the high snaps, they're all over the place. At least when under center it reduces one issue with a play's timing.
1.) when you're running all these run pass options, the linemen don't know if it will be a run or a pass because the QB makes a read and decides after the snap.. on a standard run play, you can have lineman past the line of scrimmage blocking someone, or looking for someone to block. It's a completely different mindset for run blocking. You're litterally trying to mow people down past the line of scrimmage. In a pass play, you can't do that or you get called of an ineligible man downfield. A pass play forces the line to step backwards to pass protect. An rpo, has to be treated like a pass, because the line doesn't know the outcome of the play, so it's not like they can just run people down.
2.) The qb doesn't have the same kinds of reads where he pulls the ball out of the RB's hands or decides it will be a pass play. Sure he has different kinds of reads, but you're basically running a play without thinking too much. You might pitch it to a guy on an option, but that's usually an easy read to make.
3.) Yes, if you understand Frosts system, the Defense is supposed to compliment the Offense. It's a quick strike offense built around putting points on the board quickly. To compliment that, the defense plays aggressively by design. This leads to more turnovers, sacks, and also busted plays. Because of this hurry up scheme on both sides of the ball, changing the offensive identity allows you to change the defensive identity to more of a ball control type of system. That was the old way we did it. Control the clock, march down the field. The defense played more read and react, and made the opposing team earn each first down and forced them to go the length of the field to score. This is a polar opposite to what we do now, and why the defense is actually doing good by giving up an average of 30 points a game. The offense is supposed to be averaging 50 a game.
Hope this helps.
Do you think Wandale should be running inside? or even Washington?
Neither of those guys are good inside runners.
Do you think Mills should be running outside routes?
We see this sort of mismatch of talent with plays from Frost all the freaking time.
Riley used to do the same crap..
The ball game on the line, 15 seconds on the clock, Tommy Armstrong out there, he has to throw it, and where is Jordan Westercamp? on the sideline because of some stupid rotation policy..
Way to manage your personnel and plays Coaches!
Not sure if this was mentioned but did you also notice the double wing formation with the single fullback w. QB under center? Similar to the Paul Johnson GaTech offense? Think that came with #26 too. Loved seeing the I-formation too and with success!
I could be wrong, but I think the rule about linemen down field is a little different than it used to be which makes the rpo plays so much more difficult to defend. Make no mistake, Tom ran LOTS of RPOs in his offense. It's nothing new.
The thing that bothers me about running the spread option is it's lots of lateral motion. When you have a team as athletic as OSU IMO the last thing you want to be doing is running side to side. Attack speed by running right at it. Make them engage a blocker and make a tackle repeatedly. Give your lineman a fighting chance to stay in front of the guy while your back can read the block and go where the dude ain't. Teams like Northwestern compete by doing just that. Personally I would have narrowed the gaps and doubled that DE and made his life miserable as many times as I could. Instead we stood up and let him run circles around Farniok. Hindsight I suspect Frost's game plan would be quite a bit different than it was if he had it to do over again.
Flexbone... probably my favorite offense using the triple option along with our classic I-Formation offense.
You guys are driving me crazy......oh Gawd, I've seen enough of the fluff-ball at NU. I'm just totally convinced we'll never have great success until we return to a vicious run game as priority #1 (by a country mile).
HCSF is one very, very sharp dude. He knows what we need......
Urbs offense and The Pistol are direct off-shoots of TO's offense utilizing his blocking schemes. TO himself stated that Urbs offense is where his was headed and would have developed into had he stayed a HC
That jibes with what HCSF said he was going to do when he got here. Blend what he has learned from his time here and with his Oregon-style offense into a system unique for NU. The I-formation, option and under center trap plays are another wrinkle to add to the offense that teams will have to prep for.
I look forward to how it develops this season and into the future.
That was a common formation of the huskers offense when Frost was the QB
I don't think it was a block in the back. Our guy flat out tackled their outside guy along our sideline
Stay tuned. I would have liked him to stay in the I after the timeout with a long ball attempt rather than going away from it promptly with the timeout
