How long does Chinander get?

[husker2612]

Was over at the UCF board and I have not see one person sorry to seem him go. The only consistent complaints I am seeing from them is him. If our D continues to look like this years and UCFs last two games, how long does Chinander get? I am sure there is going to be some learning curves for Frost and all staff involved this first year. So there will be patience. In my opinion if by end of 2nd year things are not improving I think a change would need to be made.

 

[timnsun]

Was over at the UCF board and I have not see one person sorry to seem him go. The only consistent complaints I am seeing from them is him. If our D continues to look like this years and UCFs last two games, how long does Chinander get? I am sure their is going to be some learning curves for Frost and all staff involved this first year. So there will be patience. In my opinion if by end of 2nd year things are not improving I think a change would need to be made.

I’m going to call this a crap thread. There’s no need to talk about when current coaches are going to be fired. Let the seasons play out, and if he doesn’t prove his worth then he will be gone. But the start a thread within the first week about how long the coach will last? That’s just wrong.

 

[headcard]

I’m going to call this a crap thread. There’s no need to talk about when current coaches are going to be fired. Let the seasons play out, and if he doesn’t prove his worth then he will be gone. But the start a thread within the first week about how long the coach will last? That’s just wrong.

 

[GretnaShawn]

I’m going to call this a crap thread. There’s no need to talk about when current coaches are going to be fired. Let the seasons play out, and if he doesn’t prove his worth then he will be gone. But the start a thread within the first week about how long the coach will last? That’s just wrong.

Thank you. He hasn't even coached a damn game for us and he went freaking 12-0 last season. And it isn't like every team hung 40 on him. His last two games he gave up a bunch. But the previous 10 games he averaged 20.5 p/g. Which is far from horrid. People need to light the F up.

 

[newAD]

Didn't we discuss this in another thread days ago?

 

[gw2kpro]

So, if I understand the UCF position here,

1) The AAC -- and by extension UCF -- gets zero respect nationally because they're a G5 conference instead of a P5 conference, even though the competition in that G5 conference is good.

2) They're ecstatic that their defensive coordinator is gone because he and the defense suck.

3) They just ran the table going undefeated in that conference.

There is one hell of a disconnect somewhere if they're claiming that the AAC is a power conference that they can not only win -- but run the table in -- with a DC that doesn't know shite.

I don't care how good your offense is. If you run the table in the B10, the SEC, the B12, the PAC-12, or the ACC, you played some defense somewhere along the way. Usually some damn good defense.

Either Chinander put a better product out there than is being claimed, or the AAC is worse than advertised. I don't know which it is, but it's one or the other.

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

I’m going to call this a crap thread. There’s no need to talk about when current coaches are going to be fired. Let the seasons play out, and if he doesn’t prove his worth then he will be gone. But the start a thread within the first week about how long the coach will last? That’s just wrong.

Wait... It's not kosher to whine and want guys fired before they coach a game? Lol

We are on the same page here. Let the guys get their system in. All bets are off if a MAC team beats us though.

 

[nu2u]

how long? As long as Frost wants - that's how long. ...and unlike Riley, Frost isn't going to suffer fools attacking his staff.

 

[c3ntral08]

Lol diaco just put out the worst husker defense...ever. Diaco faced 2 good offenses all year (osu and psu). He didn't blitz and he didn't cover.. at least UCF is agro on D and creates turnovers. BTW, they held Memphis to 13 pts in October. Diaco could have played Memphis 100 times and he'd never hold that offense to under 13.

 

[husker2612]

I’m going to call this a crap thread. There’s no need to talk about when current coaches are going to be fired. Let the seasons play out, and if he doesn’t prove his worth then he will be gone. But the start a thread within the first week about how long the coach will last? That’s just wrong.

Yet the threat right below, Asking if Lee will play next year is cool? He hasn't even snapped a ball in the Frost offense. Why is it fine to ask if he will play but not ok to ask how long Chinander would get?

 

[MOhusker12]

Lol diaco just put out the worst husker defense...ever. Diaco faced 2 good offenses all year (osu and psu). He didn't blitz and he didn't cover.. at least UCF is agro on D and creates turnovers. BTW, they held Memphis to 13 pts in October. Diaco could have played Memphis 100 times and he'd never hold that offense to under 13.

I disagree with your statement, if Diaco played Memphis 100 times by the time the 10th/11th game was played Memphis offense would be so damn tired from scoring the first nine games that they would not have the energy to play a 10th game.

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

Yet the threat right below, Asking if Lee will play next year is cool? He hasn't even snapped a ball in the Frost offense. Why is it fine to ask if he will play but not ok to ask how long Chinander would get?

Because Nebraska fans love to say "once a Husker always a Husker" in a totally hypocritical way, especially when referriing to active players.

 

[newAD]

Lol diaco just put out the worst husker defense...ever. Diaco faced 2 good offenses all year (osu and psu). He didn't blitz and he didn't cover.. at least UCF is agro on D and creates turnovers. BTW, they held Memphis to 13 pts in October. Diaco could have played Memphis 100 times and he'd never hold that offense to under 13.

The thought of what Memphis would have done to our defense this year would have given me nightmares.

 

[GretnaShawn]

Yet the threat right below, Asking if Lee will play next year is cool? He hasn't even snapped a ball in the Frost offense. Why is it fine to ask if he will play but not ok to ask how long Chinander would get?

You don't see the difference between speculating on a players possibly transfer/exit to the NFL during a coaching/scheme change that clearly doesn't fit his skill set than asking when a coach who hasn't even started his job yet can be fired? Especially when said coach went 12-0 last season and only had two games with poor performances. And they just happen to be verse good defenses in weeks 11 and 12. When he never even got a bye week.

One is a logical conclusion of a player not fitting the new offense and having opportunities of the NFL or a grad transfer to an offense that fits his skill set. And the other is disparaging a coach that hasn't even had a chance to coach a game at his new job.

 

[oldjar07]

Was over at the UCF board and I have not see one person sorry to seem him go. The only consistent complaints I am seeing from them is him. If our D continues to look like this years and UCFs last two games, how long does Chinander get? I am sure their is going to be some learning curves for Frost and all staff involved this first year. So there will be patience. In my opinion if by end of 2nd year things are not improving I think a change would need to be made.

UCF fans were praising Chinander at the beginning of the year, and they weren't worried about Frost leaving so Chinander could take over.

 

[WoesBeGone]

Was over at the UCF board and I have not see one person sorry to seem him go. The only consistent complaints I am seeing from them is him. If our D continues to look like this years and UCFs last two games, how long does Chinander get? I am sure their is going to be some learning curves for Frost and all staff involved this first year. So there will be patience. In my opinion if by end of 2nd year things are not improving I think a change would need to be made.[/QUOTE

toughie, I'm going to say 2,548 days?!

 

[newAD]

Yet the threat right below, Asking if Lee will play next year is cool? He hasn't even snapped a ball in the Frost offense. Why is it fine to ask if he will play but not ok to ask how long Chinander would get?

Well, the tone of your question comes across as if he already sucks, and thus you question the wisdom of the new HC. Also, how many threads have there been about him in the last week or so?

Do I have concerns about him? Sure. But I know SF has forgotten more about FB than I'll ever know. He coached with Frost at UNI, Oregon, and UCF so I'll defer to Frost's judgment. If he's wrong then all the smart ones can say "I told you so."

Oh, and he also has the endorsement of one of my cousins who played for him at Ellsworth CC, so I'm giving him a chance.

 

[Redblood23]

???? Why this thread.. Forum has become a pool of misery. No drama so let's create some? The guy hasn't coached a down here yet.. Smh

 

[husker2612]

You don't see the difference between speculating on a players possibly transfer/exit to the NFL during a coaching/scheme change that clearly doesn't fit his skill set than asking when a coach who hasn't even started his job yet can be fired? Especially when said coach went 12-0 last season and only had two games with poor performances. And they just happen to be verse good defenses in weeks 11 and 12. When he never even got a bye week.

One is a logical conclusion of a player not fitting the new offense and having opportunities of the NFL or a grad transfer to an offense that fits his skill set. And the other is disparaging a coach that hasn't even had a chance to coach a game at his new job.

Both are speculative questions based on history and passed events, Based off of Lees skill set and his type of play a hypothetical question is will he play under Frost offense who he had yet to play a snap in?
With Chinander based off his 90th ranked D and giving up 50+ points the last 2 games a hypothetical question is, if this continues how long would he get?
I guess just different ways of thinking and seeing things. Agree to disagree

 

[Bugeater]

He’ll get just after spring football to correct everything or he’s gone. Does that sound about right? N

 

[husker2612]

Well, the tone of your question comes across as if he already sucks, and thus you question the wisdom of the new HC. Also, how many threads have there been about him in the last week or so?

Do I have concerns about him? Sure. But I know SF has forgotten more about FB than I'll ever know. He coached with Frost at UNI, Oregon, and UCF so I'll defer to Frost's judgment. If he's wrong then all the smart ones can say "I told you so."

Oh, and he also has the endorsement of one of my cousins who played for him at Ellsworth CC, so I'm giving him a chance.

I know Frost is a very loyal guy.

 

[husker2612]

Didn't we discuss this in another thread days ago?

Not sure I don't have time to sit on here all day reading thread after thread. So I apologize if it has been disused in length already

 

[newAD]

I know Frost is a very loyal guy.

So I guess we will have to hope that Frost can get past loyalty and make a change in the future IF one is needed.

 

[Mack In Motion]

I think we should take the logical step of debating how long Chinander’s replacement will get.

2 years over or under?

Threads like these ARE the bullshit fishbowl other teams’ fans refer to on why this place can grind coaches under the millstone.

Keep it up. We nitpick THIS opportunity to death via a thousand cuts on message boards, radio, etc. and run these guys out of town we aren’t coming back. Ever. And it’ll be self inflicted and well deserved.

What this program needs is sone effing stability. We finally have a chance for that. These guys haven’t coached one second here yet. For the love of everything holy can we go 10 minutes without asking how long until they’re not here anymore?

 

[newAD]

I think we should take the logical step of debating how long Chinander’s replacement will get.

2 years over or under?

Threads like these ARE the bullshit fishbowl other teams’ fans refer to on why this place can grind coaches under the millstone.

Keep it up. We nitpick THIS opportunity to death via a thousand cuts on message boards, radio, etc. and run these guys out of town we aren’t coming back. Ever. And it’ll be self inflicted and well deserved.

What this program needs is done effing stability. We finally have a chance for that. For the love of everything holy can we go 10 minutes without asking how long until they’re not here anymore?

Yes! Barrett Ruud, you are on the clock!

 

[husker2612]

???? Why this thread.. Forum has become a pool of misery. No drama so let's create some? The guy hasn't coached a down here yet.. Smh

I think we should take the logical step of debating how long Chinander’s replacement will get.

2 years over or under?

Threads like these ARE the bullshit fishbowl other teams’ fans refer to on why this place can grind coaches under the millstone.

Keep it up. We nitpick THIS opportunity to death via a thousand cuts on message boards, radio, etc. and run these guys out of town we aren’t coming back. Ever. And it’ll be self inflicted and well deserved.

What this program needs is done effing stability. We finally have a chance for that. For the love of everything holy can we go 10 minutes without asking how long until they’re not here anymore?

If It is a question you don't like move on to another post simple as that. Everyone has the right to disagree. Disagree and being douchbags are 2 entirely different things. Admin delete. Not worth the a board melt down over nothing.

 

[Mack In Motion]

If It is a question you don't like move on to another post simple as that. Everyone has the right to disagree. Disagree and being douchbags are 2 entirely different things. Admin delete. Not worth the a board melt down over nothing.

I’ll do whatever I want up here short of getting the boot. You sure as hell do.

I asked a question and contributed to this thread. If you don’t like my post move on to another simple as that.

How long should Chinander’s replacement get?

 

[Coach Frothingham]

Not even a week and we are already asking when a coach gets fired. SMGDFH

 

[timnsun]

Here’s the difference as I see it... TL is not Scott Frost’s guy. He would never have been recruited by Frost. I actually feel a little sorry for the guy... coaching change at Tulane brought a run based offense that he wasn’t suited for. Sits here at Nebraska and then plays a year, and now a coaching change occurs and an offense he isn’t suited for is being installed. He could stick it out this year, but he does have other options (maybe the nfl or a graduate transfer). That’s his call.

Chinander, on the other hand, IS Frost’s guy. And you are already calling for his head after the 2nd year if he doesn’t turn things around.

My point is, regarding Lee, he has options that people are discussing. Stick it out? NFL? Grad transfer?

You are posing the question in which the only option is how long til he’s fired, assuming things don’t get better. 2 years? And the inference is that since UCF board is near universal in their joy that we took Chinander, he must suck. Therefore, he will be fired, you think in 2 years. And your question is not will he be retained, but when will he be fired?

Whether that was your intention or not, that’s how I read the thread.

 

[newAD]

If It is a question you don't like move on to another post simple as that. Everyone has the right to disagree. Disagree and being douchbags are 2 entirely different things. Admin delete. Not worth the a board melt down over nothing.

I'll sum up my post in another thread that I can't find.

UCF played 4 teams (Memphis twice) in the top 12 in total offense, and all of their opponents but 1 had better offensive stats than Nebraska did. So yes, they gave up yards and points. They also got a lot of turnovers.

If you play fast your defensive stats will suffer. You can not argue that. I could only find one team in the country who 'plays fast' that had a top 10 defense. Ohio State. If you want that type you defense with this type of offense, then you know how well you have to recruit to get to that level.

Look at Oklahoma and Oklahoma State, and compare where they are defensively to UCF. UCF was ahead of one and just behind the other. One of them is in the playoff.

A question I posed. Does Wisconsin truly have the best defense in the nation, or does their offense, by controlling the ball and keeping them off the field help their stats? I believe they were # 2 in T.O.P. and # 1 in Total D.

So I wasn't all that worked up about their defense being # 79 IN YEAR 2, or whatever they were when you look at everything.

 

[TruHusker]

Lol diaco just put out the worst husker defense...ever. Diaco faced 2 good offenses all year (osu and psu). He didn't blitz and he didn't cover.. at least UCF is agro on D and creates turnovers. BTW, they held Memphis to 13 pts in October. Diaco could have played Memphis 100 times and he'd never hold that offense to under 13.

Everyone seems to forget that Cosgrove was a blitzing machine as a coach and still is. Sometimes the blitz is used out if desperation. Some we're affective against Memphis but you won't make a living doing it all of the time. And in a 3-4, bringing an extra person plus the 3 is not a blitz.

 

[newAD]

Everyone seems to forget that Cosgrove was a blitzing machine as a coach and still is. Sometimes the blitz is used out if desperation. Some we're affective against Memphis but you won't make a living doing it all of the time. And in a 3-4, bringing an extra person plus the 3 is not a blitz.

Except against Booger, I mean Chase Daniel.

 

[timnsun]

I'll sum up my post in another thread that I can't find.

UCF played 4 teams (Memphis twice) in the top 12 in total offense, and all of their opponents but 1 had better offensive stats than Nebraska did. So yes, they gave up yards and points. They also got a lot of turnovers.

If you play fast your defensive stats will suffer. You can not argue that. I could only find one team in the country who 'plays fast' that had a top 10 defense. Ohio State. If you want that type you defense with this type of offense, then you know how well you have to recruit to get to that level.

Look at Oklahoma and Oklahoma State, and compare where they are defensively to UCF. UCF was ahead of one and just behind the other. One of them is in the playoff.

A question I posed. Does Wisconsin truly have the best defense in the nation, or does their offense, by controlling the ball and keeping them off the field help their stats? I believe they were # 2 in T.O.P. and # 1 in Total D.

So I wasn't all that worked up about their defense being # 79 IN YEAR 2, or whatever they were when you look at everything.

Great post.

 

[NorthWillRiseAgain]

Was over at the UCF board and I have not see one person sorry to seem him go. The only consistent complaints I am seeing from them is him. If our D continues to look like this years and UCFs last two games, how long does Chinander get? I am sure there is going to be some learning curves for Frost and all staff involved this first year. So there will be patience. In my opinion if by end of 2nd year things are not improving I think a change would need to be made.

Seriously, he hasn't coached a down here, and I assume the first year with what we have would be horrible with anyone.

 

[newAD]

Seriously, he hasn't coached a down here, and I assume the first year with what we have would be horrible with anyone.

I am certainly worried, but I hope he can connect with these guys better than Diaco did, or workout whatever issues there were.

 

[UCFBS]

Was over at the UCF board and I have not see one person sorry to seem him go. The only consistent complaints I am seeing from them is him. If our D continues to look like this years and UCFs last two games, how long does Chinander get?

Most of us loved the EC/DC ... his schemes, pressure, etc... in both 2016 and 2017 ... until those final 3 games of 2017.

We have a great, experienced front 7, we're 2-deep on the 3-man line with almost all 300lbs+ beef, and our LBs have been solid (despite being down a man). But it was our DBs where we were young and inexperience, where we needed max coaching, development and on-going adjustments.

So ... in those final 3 games, we saw were LBs were going way back in coverage, and even looking for help from the DBs, including in the 2nd half, no adjustments made whatsoever. We got exploited ... badly during USF and Memphis. We made Flowers look like a passing type QB, and he's not.

We first saw it in the Temple game, where that LB-DB "hand-off" broke down. A few of us were concerned.

For USF, with a mobile QB, we just assumed it was as a spy or trying to use a zone to make up for a LB always being nearby. But we only got more concerned as we re-watched the film, and realized that wasn't the case ... it was just blown hand-offs in the coverage.

So by Memphis, it was absolutely obvious. Their QB was not mobile, and we got torched. We beat Memphis 40-7 (a last second TD by their 1st offense against our 3rd team D doesn't count) earlier in the year, and our D was completely different in the CCG ... completely different.

The added tackling and angle issues were also burning us up, things that should have been corrected in practice.

So now ... the fact that Frost meet with Moos the Friday night before Temple, and then this has happened since Temple, upsets us a little bit, because it really smacks of more than just coincidence. We all know and agree (ignore the few "Krytros" among us) that Frost is 100% pro-UCF, and would never do us wrong, not in the Bowl game either. But this coincidence of where our defense started going downhill bothers us.

Which is why we started getting a little "concerned" with the EC/DC. It may just be coincidence, and nothing more. And maybe he'll be focused going forward. Don't know.

It's all speculation, conjecture, nothing with solid proof, but it does look readily apparent to us that our first 8 games differ greatly from our final 3 in defensive preparation, adjustments and execution. That's what really bothers us Knights ... especially going into the Bowl game against a very, very balanced and low-mistake Tiger team.

I am sure there is going to be some learning curves for Frost and all staff involved this first year. So there will be patience. In my opinion if by end of 2nd year things are not improving I think a change would need to be made.

Based on your contract ... I think you're committed to Frost until at least into 2022.

Unless, of course, you catch him in a private conversation on-mic, and get that buy-out cut in at least half, if not more.

 

[Baxter48]

I remember in the mid 80s to early 90s everyone wanted Charlie McBride gone couldn't stop the passing teams, well guess what he finally get talent and starts kicking butt. Wasn't Bozo supposed to be a defensive guru whoops there's goes Melvin Gordon again. Give the guys a chance everyone Remembers Charlie and the end of his coaching career not when he was struggling.

 

[newAD]

I remember in the mid 80s to early 90s everyone wanted Charlie McBride gone couldn't stop the passing teams, well guess what he finally get talent and starts kicking butt. Wasn't Bozo supposed to be a defensive guru whoops there's goes Melvin Gordon again. Give the guys a chance everyone Remembers Charlie and the end of his coaching career not when he was struggling.

Heck people wanted McBride gone into the early 90s. At least through 1991.

 

[schuele]

Except against Booger, I mean Chase Daniel.

On behalf of my fellow geezers on this board who remember WKRP in Cincinnati, I feel it is my duty to post this in any thread in which the word "Booger" appears:

 

[Pitt State]

On behalf of my fellow geezers on this board who remember WKRP in Cincinnati, I feel it is my duty to post this in any thread in which the word "Booger" appears:

Great show. If I remember right it was in the very first episode.