Yeah that's not self defense. At no point during that did he seem threatened at all, the disagreement lasted for all of 5 seconds, he got pushed and he knocked her out.
How is this Guy not in Jail
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You're speaking for the defendant? You know what he felt?
Just throwing that out there. Fact is, you need to break away from all the emotion, chivary, and machismo, in order to assess this objectively. For the most part, most of the reactions/responses I am reading are emotional.
Hell, you don't even hit a guy who (you know) is lightly pushing you and slapping you in the chest. It's disproportionate. It's like the Chinese taking your research drone and then launching nuclear missiles in retaliation. This guy is not a man. At worst this guy should have pushed her or restrained her.
You all realize this took place more than 2 years ago right?
Nixon was found guilty and received a deferred sentence. He was suspended for the entire 2014 season.
The transcript of the incident has been out there since 2014 and if you read it, it is about as perfect a description of the incident that you could write.
The Oklahoma Supreme Court recently ordered the video to be released.
Nixon was found guilty and received a deferred sentence. He was suspended for the entire 2014 season.
The transcript of the incident has been out there since 2014 and if you read it, it is about as perfect a description of the incident that you could write.
The Oklahoma Supreme Court recently ordered the video to be released.
Yes I am. I saw the video, I saw his body language and I saw the "threat" that was a small drunk girl who barely touched him. No rational person in his body would think that amount of force was necessary to protect himself. It's not emotion, it's common sense. It wasn't a persistent threat, he got pushed once and immediately hit her in the head as hard as he could. That is not self defense. Watch him walk away. Hes not scared, he's not worried, he lays her out and calmly walks away.
We're emotional animals. Unless you are willing to discredit human psychology and physiology, to say, after the fact, a spontaneous and emotional reaction is wrong, is subjective and biased.
Believe it or not, we are governed by our primitive brains. Those parts of our brains are designed to go off first. Before we're able to ask ourselves an ethical question.
Same reason you immediately pull your hand back from a fire or hot stove, and don't stop and ask yourself, "should I leave my hand on this very hot burner?"
She pushed him then slapped him in the face. Then he hit her.
You need to realize I'm not advocating for Mixon, just pointing out the obvious points any defense attorney would use.
Where I live, if I had punched a women in the face like Mixon did I would be thrown in jail even if she had been the aggressor. Even verbal abuse against a women can get you thrown in jail if it's considered domestic violence.
That's what I thought. Cops look for any signs of physical injury such as scratches, redness, blood, swelling and will arrest the perp here in Ca regardless of man or woman.
"The eventual police report and distant video, shown to a few dozen media in October 2014, piece together what happened next. Mixon, who had turned 18 the day before, walked into Pickleman's. Molitor told police Mixon, whom she did not know, directed a homosexual slur at her friend. Molitor shoved Mixon, who lunged back with a closed fist at his side. Molitor slapped at Mixon, who then hit her with a right hook that knocked Molitor off her feet. Her head slammed into a table as she fell to the ground. She suffered fractures in her jaw, cheekbone and other bones in her face.
Molitor was back in Texas by the evening of July 25, 2014. On July 28, she underwent an eight-hour surgery. She says she looked like Cyclops for a couple of weeks. She was on a liquid diet. She had no feeling on the left side of her face for six months."
Was that stand your ground? A little over the top Mixon she wasn't even a feminist. What damage could she have done to him really? He's lucky he's not under the jail for that but women need to realize this isn't the old days and you never know how these men are wired..
Speculation does not matter. Sorry.
Just be happy you haven't been on the defendant side. Innocent until proven guilty is a fabrication, intended to give us common folk the illusion of protection.
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Exactly. Why a video a couple years later matters is pointless.
I have a couple different thoughts about it after watching the video a few times. First off, it is very clear that at 0:38 he is turning to leave when she gets up and shoves him. That was unprovoked. He then shoves back with more force. She then proceeds to put her hands up near the neck or the face (I can't tell if that is a slap or not) and he then smacks her very hard and knocks her to the ground. Very disproportional and clearly not self-defense.
However, I do want to say that I do think she was accountable for at least instigating what amounts to physical assault. She shoves, then he shoves, she appears to slap, then he appears to slap back much harder. Does the capability to do harm matter? What if we replace this girl with a 98 pound weakling guy? Would we then be saying it was self-defense and he was just defending himself.
Also, as a society we need to accept that women are not all frail, helpless creatures. Most girls now participate in athletics and adult women go to the gym. Many are very capable of doing harm. We shouldn't give one gender a free pass to commit what amounts to assault as long as it involves anther gender. Again, if we replace Mixon with a female athlete, would we still view this the same way?
However, I do want to say that I do think she was accountable for at least instigating what amounts to physical assault. She shoves, then he shoves, she appears to slap, then he appears to slap back much harder. Does the capability to do harm matter? What if we replace this girl with a 98 pound weakling guy? Would we then be saying it was self-defense and he was just defending himself.
Also, as a society we need to accept that women are not all frail, helpless creatures. Most girls now participate in athletics and adult women go to the gym. Many are very capable of doing harm. We shouldn't give one gender a free pass to commit what amounts to assault as long as it involves anther gender. Again, if we replace Mixon with a female athlete, would we still view this the same way?
It doesn't matter who the other person is, in general self defense may be used only to the extent necessary to protect yourself from the force being brought against you, i.e. just because someone starts an alteration does not give you a license to use whatever force you please against them. If her allegation is true that he started it all with a homo slur, that will help with her civil lawsuit against him.
Again, how is it different? Would it matter if the guy was a 98-pound weakling and the girl was Ronda Rousy?
I disagree. Assault and battery don't require that you actually succeed in physically harming a person. It only requires that you did actions that constitute the crime.
Haven't chimed in yet, didn't really want to.
There are 3 answers as I see it.
1. Do nothing and walk away. (Nothing bad comes your way here)
2. Don't retaliate and report the gal. (Nothing bad comes your way here)
3. Fight back and put your fate in the hands of the legal system. (The backlash in this thread alone says plenty)
IMHO, 1 & 2 are really the only options.
If you read the story behind the video, it seems that Mixon was looking for trouble when he came in. She stated didn't know the guy. When he threatened her friend, she pushed Mixon to get him away from her friend. Then she slapped him when he called her friend some homophobic slur. It was not exactly hurting this tough guy when he decked her with all his might. I would say the force was entirely disproportionate to what was needed to handle this female who was only defending her friend.
3) clearly warranted his arrest. But if 2) might well have led to her arrest, why is it negated because he did something after step 2? that's where I have an issue with the legal system when it involves altercations like this. You can't ignore the prior actions of one party just because they are smaller and less likley to result in injury.
I never saw anything in the video that indicated he was going to physically attack her friend. He probably said something that provoked her, but words alone don't indicate a threat to someone's safety. I believe she was drunk and emotional and that played a part in her reaction, but the same may well be said of Mixon. In the end, I believe Mixon did deserve to be charged with battery. Her? I'm not sure. My point is that society and the legal system should not make this out to be entirely one-sided and completely exonerate her of any fault for what happened.
There is no situation that a woman deserves to be laid out like that. Regardless, of what happened first. What kind of psycho hits a girl like that, after a push and open hand slap. Quit trying to justify it. Anyone that does that, and the ppl that stick up for their actions are giant pieces of shit!
Is your mom stupid enough to push and slap someone she doesn't know and has no idea how that person will react?
In the same situation she probably would have, because she would of stuck up for her friend, who gay or not, doesn't deserve to be intimidated and called names by anyone.
If your mom doesn't have the emotional maturity to deal with the situation differently than the girl in the video, then yes I can imagine her getting decked.
She could've poked him in the eye causing permanent damage denying him a possible position on an NFL roster. I know it's not as exciting, but try limiting the discussion to what actually happened instead of a bunch of hypothetical situations.
you stick up for your friends. That guy should not be stuck up for! You should feel like a horrible person, because you would stick up for someone you care about, and would of got fugged up like her. Then someone would of been like, "he shouldn't of done this!" And you would of been like, "I was trying to do the right thing."
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