Good time to buy? Stock market
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"Stock markets with the most to prove...." topic right here!!!
Already seeing talks of potential negotiations from various countries which is good if Trump is willing to go to the table. Big problem is China as they won’t back down and will just keep matching tariffs, unless they work something out with the TicTok sale/purchase. I’d say a bottom is near and could pop quickly when some trade deals start rolling out. Bad news is China and that can always go any direction currently. IMO, good time to slowly start deploying some capital but continue to tread lightly
For me it's a good time to keep doing what I was planning to do for the next 10 years anyway.
Calling bottom isn't easy. DCA in if you are nervous about a continued down trend.
It’s a great time to buy, many stocks are on sale now. People are crybabies and stupid. All the money that has been pulled out of the market these last two days will go back into the market. It’s not like these money managers will sit on cash for long. Money market yields today make it a little more palatable but all that money goes back into the market. When we created all this money during the pandemic, it gets created forever.
I know plastics etc are iffy at the moment but DOW and LyondellBasell are probably nearing a 10% dividend now or close to it. Nice yield if you can stomach the industry but I can’t stand the DOW ceo
I know plastics etc are iffy at the moment but DOW and LyondellBasell are probably nearing a 10% dividend now or close to it. Nice yield if you can stomach the industry but I can’t stand the DOW ceo
And just like that the algorithm kicked in today.. look at the huge steep V we just hit… at least for now
but but 'what about Joe?'.
This thread should be retitled 'Cult members making each other feel good'.
This thread should be retitled 'Cult members making each other feel good'.
I'm sorry that you can't invest your Dairy Queen coupons.
Cvnt Libs have another board
Joe was asking the same question
The lack of any clarity on the tariff situation and how heavy handed and abrupt the moves have been makes it impossible to make major strategic moves in the market right now. If you already put money in every single week, have for years and plan to for many more, you should continue to do it. If you have a lot of cash on the sideline, then you should probably keep it on the sideline for a while longer as this is just a small taste of the drop we may see if this completely unnecessary game of chicken keeps playing out.
The President is simply playing chicken with the American economy and honestly he went so heavy handed with the tariffs that the rest of the world is in a stronger position than the US. Had he gone after specific industries and companies, making deals to onshore the research and production of the products of the future (think TSMC, ASML, Robotics, and other high end tech products), it would have been very positive for the economy and market. Instead we are simply putting a tariff (tax) on all imports, of which 90% we have ZERO interest in producing in America.
Sit back and think of all the products you buy that have a "made in xxxxx" that is not USA, how many of those do you think American's actually would want to make in the states, and what would they want to be paid hourly to make them, not even considering the cost to create the facility and machines to help produce them. Who wants to onshore the sock industry, the t-shirt, sweaters, etc.? Pretty sure no one wants to make those... what we want to do is buy a blank version of them for a couple bucks and then screen print our designs on them and sell them for $25+ dollars (one example).
The President's move on tariffs is quite frankly an insult to the average American's intelligence. Trying to get them to think this is all about punishing other countries, getting them to pay and play fair, when really its just a way to raise taxes on the American consumer in the attempt to generate more revenue. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he slightly lowers income or corporate tax rates to amplify the misdirection attempt, but in the end the tariff (tax) will be far more impactful (in a bad way).
Right now most companies have absolutely no clue what to do, because there is no clear visibility from the administration for them to plan around. This means projects will likely be put on hold, postponed, or cancelled altogether. The market doesn't handle this type of stuff well. Basically if the President continues down this path, without a massive shift, or congress stepping in and saying you can't do this (which they can do), then a pretty significant recession is unfolding and you could see a very quick drop in the market... like 20% in a week type of move.. yet to come and even that may not be the end of it.
The President is simply playing chicken with the American economy and honestly he went so heavy handed with the tariffs that the rest of the world is in a stronger position than the US. Had he gone after specific industries and companies, making deals to onshore the research and production of the products of the future (think TSMC, ASML, Robotics, and other high end tech products), it would have been very positive for the economy and market. Instead we are simply putting a tariff (tax) on all imports, of which 90% we have ZERO interest in producing in America.
Sit back and think of all the products you buy that have a "made in xxxxx" that is not USA, how many of those do you think American's actually would want to make in the states, and what would they want to be paid hourly to make them, not even considering the cost to create the facility and machines to help produce them. Who wants to onshore the sock industry, the t-shirt, sweaters, etc.? Pretty sure no one wants to make those... what we want to do is buy a blank version of them for a couple bucks and then screen print our designs on them and sell them for $25+ dollars (one example).
The President's move on tariffs is quite frankly an insult to the average American's intelligence. Trying to get them to think this is all about punishing other countries, getting them to pay and play fair, when really its just a way to raise taxes on the American consumer in the attempt to generate more revenue. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he slightly lowers income or corporate tax rates to amplify the misdirection attempt, but in the end the tariff (tax) will be far more impactful (in a bad way).
Right now most companies have absolutely no clue what to do, because there is no clear visibility from the administration for them to plan around. This means projects will likely be put on hold, postponed, or cancelled altogether. The market doesn't handle this type of stuff well. Basically if the President continues down this path, without a massive shift, or congress stepping in and saying you can't do this (which they can do), then a pretty significant recession is unfolding and you could see a very quick drop in the market... like 20% in a week type of move.. yet to come and even that may not be the end of it.
I’m just concerned that this is all about justifying extending the tax cuts to benefit Bezos etc. Then the deficit won’t be reduced, and actually may go higher because the economic effects of the tariffs will further decrease tax revenues as the economy slows. And all we see is higher prices because you know the tax cuts aren’t going to mean much for us.
I work for an investment bank, I see what's going on realtime. I have moved 95% of my portfolio to FI until this stupidity is over. You just will never admit that he is a horrible business man and also wants a recession to keep wages down and then when companies need a bailout, he will dole them out as he sees fit.
But if you do have some DQ coupons I will take them.
For pretty much all of us, this is the answer. nothing changes. just gotta keep doing the same. maybe if you are ultra wealthy or near retirement you react differently.
Thank you, chat gpt
Riiight. I've seen your posts over the last year and they don't come across as being written by someone in high finance. Having a menial job at the regional bank in Bovine, IA doesn't make you an investment banker.
I’m not far from retirement so I must admit at least my wife is concerned. I can’t figure out how to retire so I guess I’m less freaked out.
I didn’t read it
If you’re not far from retirement the stock market probably isn’t the best place for your money
It's crazy to me that people argue about markets from a political viewpoint of rooting for their guy or never admitting that it's bad. Have fun gaslighting yourself. From a straight financial perspective I'm damn glad that retirement is 15 years away.
Nobody cares what you people say anymore. You’ve been wrong about everything since 2016. Everything will be fine. We need to not be at a trade deficit with the world. It’s a rather simple maneuver that will correct itself quickly, and if countries decide not to bargain, they can lose out.
What we now know is the hate Trump crowd wants us to operate in perpetual debt, so it’s convenient for them. And also, they’re cool with countries violating human rights as long as it keeps their cell phones affordable.
And fyi, I don’t give a shit if you read this or not. I could write your stupid ass reply for you
Why isn’t it. The Worse thing anyone can do is panic and get out..
Market has proven time after time that it will recover.
This is the time to invest in some stocks that have been beaten down.
This comes from one that IS retired..
It's funny that you just assume someone saying these moves are bad is in the "hate Trump crowd." Had you read my post you would see that I actually thought some tariffs and incentives would be a good strategy if done selectively to bring the production and research of the most advanced products of the future to the US.
The "everything will be fine" comment was pretty good.
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We operate at a massive deficit with everyone. It's not by accident. We're essentially a tax farm that's going extinct. I'm not friends with DJT so I am not sure of his true intentions. However, his moves have been the art of the deal. They work. They're calculated and there's going to be a lot of panic and whining from folks who were on the gravy train via the US taxpayer. If DJT is true, their days are numbered.
It's funny that you just assume someone saying these moves are bad is in the "hate Trump crowd." Had you read my post you would see that I actually thought some tariffs and incentives would be a good strategy if done selectively to bring the production and research of the most advanced products of the future to the US.
The "everything will be fine" comment was pretty good.
this could all be kabuki theater as well. At the end of this term it will be clear.
Sorry for being grouchy. One of those days at the office
Targeted tariffs seem to be a traditional tool to get bad actors to behave. Tariffs on everybody are not thought to be a good idea by practically every economist out there and many on both sides of the aisle. The trade deficit deal doesn’t appear to be clear to me either. Ben Shapiro pointed out that we had a trade surplus throughout the depression, which didn’t seem to help us much.We operate at a massive deficit with everyone. It's not by accident. We're essentially a tax farm that's going extinct. I'm not friends with DJT so I am not sure of his true intentions. However, his moves have been the art of the deal. They work. They're calculated and there's going to be a lot of panic and whining from folks who were on the gravy train via the US taxpayer. If DJT is true, their days are numbered.
this could all be kabuki theater as well. At the end of this term it will be clear.
Sorry for being grouchy. One of those days at the office
This is not a position limited to one party or another. You think people that voted for DJT are going to be fine with their next iphone that costs two grand? Oh, it's good for America? Right, that'll play. Moving all of that manufacturing back on shore is a fantasy, it will not happen.
Interest rates and inflation are killing average Americans and home buyers. The interest on our national debt is out of control and we're headed for default if we don't get it under control.. The 10 year interest rates are being driven down as we speak by the tariffs and stock market decline. This is good news for our national solvency.
is a national debt of in the trillions thought to be a good idea by economists? Just announcing the tariffs has brought down the cost of financing our national debt. We almost had to do this. It's the dirty little secret neither side is talking about. This will have long term benefits no matter who our next President is. People who nervously watch the stock market on a daily basis are foolish.
I'm not in a party. I'm hoping Trump means well because so far he's taking good actions for OUR country.
I don't care about the cost of phones. Be nice to go back to the days when people weren't glued to them. I do however care about human rights and what they do over there is beyond inhumane.
If you’re counting on that money in a short amount of time you sure can’t assume the market is going to be up when you need it.
Well that’s a no brainer.. And you don’t know how quickly the market will rebound either, but when it does you’ll wish you would have invested sometime during this dip in the market.
Spoken like a true cult member....
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