Exactly. This is not even an issue healthwise. He was completely cleared by doctors a long time ago.
Fyfe Injury
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Yep, and they only asked him to throw 5 times in the second half.
TA is a scapegoat for that game, but it should be Reilly and the o-line. Iowa ran very effectively, got a lead, strangled the clock with little risk. They let Nebraska throw against 8 man coverages in the cold and wind, because Nebraska couldn't run. Nebraska threw the ball more times than Iowa ran plays, yet didn't have the ball in the second half with a chance to take the lead....except the opening 2h drive...going three and out.
Points off TO a push - pick six vs fumbled punt at the 31, aided a questionable no call by the line judge, or mis-step by Iowa not covering Carter because they thought he was not eligible.
A better argument is the game was won because of game plan, and execution...with a big assist from mother nature....ala Ferentz's staff vs Reilly's staff, and wind and cold on that day.
Now, Iowa 2016 is not Iowa 2015.
Isn't ZD nominally a WR? That's contact position. He could have scrambled his noggin catching an errant TA pass and getting lit up just as easily (or more) than taking a hit on a zone-read.
If they cleared him for that, he's good to go.
If they cleared him for that, he's good to go.
Ummm I think he's been the scout team QB when they needed somebody to emulate a mobile QB. If he's taken hits at full speed in practice then I suspect he's been good to go. Tebow had a similar concussion at Florida. Clearly ZD has been medically cleared for full contact.
Seems like I'm reading a lot of "He should be good to go for this reason"....But I'm not hearing, "He's played QB a lot for us at practice and has taken plenty of hits, he's fine".
Whatever happens happens, won't let it ruin my day. But between the scouting report on him from corn, combined with the fact nobody is really sure how much QB he's played and how long it's been, and nobody knows if he's really taking hits at practice, I think I'm hoping for a different direction but will root for whoever they throw back there. If it's Fyfe with a cast, then as far as I'm concerned Riley gave up on this game though. We just have have better options than that I'd think.
And with our special teams coordinator scheming against his own punt returner, yards are gonna be tough.
Just because YOU don't agree with what we're planning to do at QB doesn't equal giving up on the game. The sheer arrogance of some people just astounds me sometimes.
You've been trying for months to get my attention, mostly with some really personal and immature attacks that I've managed to completely ignore until now, so I'm going to give some attention to you, now.
Have a great Thanksgiving.
"We just have have better options than that I'd think."
And how confident in this assessment are you? You could very well be wrong, but your whole argument depends on it.
And how confident in this assessment are you? You could very well be wrong, but your whole argument depends on it.
Without being able to guarantee the situation, I would place a bet on the fact that his reps were less than 1/3 of the reps each week. Probably closer to 5-10% of total practice reps in the scheme. Which means, he's barely practiced in the scheme. Knowing that he's redshirting, it's extremely likely that any "prep" has been minimal, which begs the question of whether or not he can be effective, and if so, how much more than someone else? If his effectiveness isn't a huge improvement from the other options (and I don't think it would be), then there is no reason to burn the redshirt.
Burning his redshirt is a really bad decision for him as a player and also for the long term of the program. We're talking about him playing in a single game, which, in the big picture, the result is pretty meaningless for the program. Yeah it could mean one more win this year, but that isn't nearly as important as some fans seem to think it is? In the big scheme of things, not much when you consider what having him for a 5th season as a mature senior could mean for the program.
According to stats people at ESPN, there less than a 15% chance that Minnesota beats Wisconsin. Vegas put the line at 15.5. That's a HUGE line. Crazier things have happened, but there is a very large chance that burning POB's redshirt, assuming he gives us a better chance to win than someone else, still leaves us in the same situation, win or loss, after this weekend. Smart coaches play the percentages. And I think we've got to play the percentages here and maintain his redshirt. Let's let the team the coaches committed to this year determine the year and put this to bed. They're not pulling his redshirt, regardless of what fans want, so there is no reason to get bent out of shape about it at this point (not saying you are, referring to those who are).
Yeah I'm really going out on a limb to think we'd have better option(s) than Fyfe in a cast. But perhaps you're right. Maybe we're in worse shape than I thought at that position. Bummer if so.
Let's start POB. He gets hurt with a minute left in the game (wink wink). Medical redshirt. All is well.
Aided nothing, Iowa screwed up the coverage, our slot was 2 yards off the line of scrimmage.
I don't care about your attention except when you post something stupid. I certainly don't seek you out and attack you for no reason. I treat you the same as anybody else-when you say something stupid or wrong, I disagree with you and say so. Saying the coaches are giving up on the game just because you don't happen to agree with not pulling Patrick O'Brien's redshirt(a position that you don't have much support for even among other posters on here) is just highly unfair and yes, arrogant. I would say that regardless of who posted it. It happened to be you that posted it, so I called you out on it. It's that simple.
None of the options are particularly tantalizing.
TA with no wheels.
Fyfe in a cast.
ZD untested.
POB burning a shirt and untested.
This really isn't rocket science, you are likely to have a struggle on Friday, you don't need to burn the shirt and pour salt in the wound.
Hope you got it all out, because I'll be ignoring you again until next season. If you can behave yourself until then I'll give you some more attention then.
Aided nothing, Iowa screwed up the coverage, our slot was 2 yards off the line of scrimmage.
I think LOS is defined differently for the offense vs the defense .. thanks for the pic ... good topic for discussion
our slot receiver looks like he is covering up Carter based on Carter's beltline therefore making Carter ineligible
copied from another site
"An offensive player not on the line is not necessarily therefore in the backfield. Whether a back is in his backfield or not is defined by his position in relation to his nearest teammate who is legally on the line. A back is legally in the backfield when no part of his body intersects the plane defined by that lineman's beltline. In short, the rules involve two crucial beltlines: the center's and the nearest lineman's."
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Guarantee he gets the reps on Sundays, with all the other redshirts and guys down on the depth chart. Coach Riley has said so himself. I'll take his word, and the word of guys at work, over someone assuming [ironic] what does and doesn't happen Sunday-Thursday.
You can place whatever bet you want, I couldn't care less. It doesn't change the fact you claimed he's been on the scout team, and hasn't been working in Langsdorf's scheme all fall. As you like to say, that's a false assumption.
yes. Iowa is culpable for this. They were yelling he's covered up on the field. Awfully sure of themselves, putting too much into hands of zebras. IMO would have scored anyway, point was points off turnovers were a wash, Iowa wasn'tn't stressed ery much in that game, especially in the second half.
2016 is a different animal...yes, even with the potential of having to go with a 3rd string QB
He HAS been on the scout team. A lot. Every time they split up O and D and face the scout teams he has played on the scout team to give the defense a good look of the weeks upcoming opponents rather than spending it with the first and second team offenses facing the scout team D. That means he only gets film room exposure to game plan execution.
Sundays aren't game prep days. Sorry. They might be getting a few plays in (where I played, they used Friday afternoons for this type of scrimmaging), but they're not mentally preparing for a game, looking at defenses, what they're going to try to take away, and then playing against that. They're taking a few snaps against the other guys that don't play and need reps. If you think THAT is preparing him to play on Saturday, I don't know what to tell you. Sundays are film days and "blood flow" days for the guys who actually have a chance to play on Saturdays.
He seems to be our fairly distant future. Lee seems to be the next guy, at least as of right now.
Aided nothing, Iowa screwed up the coverage, our slot was 2 yards off the line of scrimmage.
Carter is covered on this play by the WR. He' should be rule ineligible. The LOS isn't what the officials use to judge receiver eligibility, so being two yards off the LOS is irrelevant.
I was sitting here thinking the same thing lol. Its like some of these guys think we have Tom Brady sitting on the bench redshirting.
They all ASS ume POB is ready when HCMR has recently clearly stated the kid wasnt ready to play and they are gonna keep his RS intact.
Hate to tell guys chances are that if Tommy and Ryfe are out we are a long shot to win this game...PERIOD.I really dont see the reasoning behind this infinity with burning this kids RS when he doesnt give us any better chance than Darlington would. Just doesnt make sense.
Best bet imo is if Tommy/Fyfe are out we ride with Darlington and hope our defense plays as well as its capable. Its gonna be an ugly game REGARDLESS. Keep it close and do what we generally do in the 4th quarter.
IMO if we can get to the 4th within one score we have a shot at stealing it late. Coach up Darlington and ball out!
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No. When he goes to the line of scrimmage, he puts his arms backwards which is a universal sign to all line judges on where he [the receiver] should be; in this case off the line of scrimmage. The line judge didn't tell him to back up. It happens often, watch Jordan when he's in the slot.
Matter of fact, here's Iowa with trips; take a look at their 2 inside receivers circled. Under your definition, both are on the line of scrimmage so one of them should be ineligible. Except, they both release as receivers on the play.
No he's not, see above.
So you are thinking POB is gonna save us of getting our ass kicked at Iowa?
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No. When he goes to the line of scrimmage, he puts his arms backwards which is a universal sign to all line judges on where he [the receiver] should be; in this case off the line of scrimmage. The line judge didn't tell him to back up. It happens often, watch Jordan when he's in the slot.
Matter of fact, here's Iowa with trips; take a look at their 2 inside receivers circled. Under your definition, both are on the line of scrimmage so one of them should be ineligible. Except, they both release as receivers on the play.
No he's not, see above.
i was just quoting the letter of law and acknowledge that the refs will often let the receivers know if they need to back up .. by the letter of the law carter was covered and the ref should have backed up our slot
in the above picture Iowa's tackle is not on the line of scrimmage as judged by the beltline of the center and the refs let it go .. had Iowa's tackle been properly lined up then their inside receivers would have been in the backfield
regardless I think we can all agree it was fun watching Kirk lose his shit on the sideline after that play
Here's what I'm thinking...
POB>>>Fyfe in a cast. I have no idea how the game will play out.
I should have worded my take that you quoted slightly different, but I stand by the gist of it.
I don't think you can get a Medical Redshirt if you play this late in the season. Too bad, otherwise it was the perfect plan.
If I was a betting man, I'd say Ferentz probably went over this in his pre-game discussions with the referee crew. We're not the only school that pushes the envelope, Iowa did the exact same thing later in the game as shown. You say it's the tackles fault, which is fine by me, that means they didn't have enough guys on the line of scrimmage. No flag thrown, play on.
Agree, that was fun to watch Kirk make a Pelini out of himself.
I can't count how many times this happens on Saturday's.
Im gonna say YES Darlington is OK to play. They have him on the FG/XP team. They let him play QB during the spring game. Hell he ran a fake PAT earlier during the year.
As far as taking a snap at center wasnt he like the 3rd QB?(could be wrong) but those guys rarely see the field.
I keep hearing how good our med staff is and how they are the best in the business when it comes to evaluating things like the Tommy head injury/concussions etc. I find it hard to believe they would put him on the field in ANY capacity if there was a concern about his health.
I guess im different because i wont have anymore of a problem if darlington goes out and "gets his eggs scrambled" anymore than i would if it happened to Westy or DPE or any other player. If hes been cleared to play then hes cleared to play.
Are you saying anyone who has had concussions should get the same treatment as Darlington? I mean they study they go through protocol and as far as Darlington my GUESS is that hes probably been through more study and work on him than ANYONE on the team . SO if they say hes cleared and is in no more chance of damage than anyone else i am COMPLETELY FINE with playing him and letting the pieces fall where they may.
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Now i cant say you are right . BUT how can u assume that is true?
So you dont give any credence to Darlington playing whatsoever?
Just curious.
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That is my understanding too, but if Lee is a 2 year player and Gebbia comes in, it doesn't seem like we had much to lose to get him some playing time this year.
No. When he goes to the line of scrimmage, he puts his arms backwards which is a universal sign to all line judges on where he [the receiver] should be; in this case off the line of scrimmage. The line judge didn't tell him to back up. It happens often, watch Jordan when he's in the slot.
Matter of fact, here's Iowa with trips; take a look at their 2 inside receivers circled. Under your definition, both are on the line of scrimmage so one of them should be ineligible. Except, they both release as receivers on the play.
No he's not, see above.
Technically, Iowa doesn't have enough players on the line of scrimmage in the above play. The tackles need to scoot up and be within a yard of the line of scrimmage and lose the "V" formation that gives them a benefit when pass blocking D Ends..... Most football teams should be called for this, on most passing plays. (including Nebraska!)
7 Players on the LOS..... with the outside two being eligible to catch a forward pass. The other four are off the LOS and also can catch a forward pass (including the QB). This drove me nuts as a middle linebacker, trying to decide who each of my teammates was supposed to cover, especially against spread offense teams. Many times there is a decoy receiver that isn't technically eligible; but they want you to believe that they are, which pulls a defender away from an area they may try to exploit.
You can't play past the halfway point, or 30% of regular season games, to be considered for any redshirt, medical or otherwise.
Your frosh QB plays one snap Friday, he burns the year.
No, I don't give any credence to Darlington playing or I feel like we'd have seen him by now. If he can play QB, and his health is just fine as everyone keeps telling me, then why haven't we seen him playing QB by now? Is Fyfe really better, or is it something else, like the possibility of scrambled eggs for brains? IDK the answer, it just seems odd to me. When TA goes down in a game, we see Fyfe and POB warming up, have we ever seen Darlington warm up? Seems weird doesn't it? That he's capable of playing QB, but never does it, save for one play in a real game?
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