That's one way look at it, the other would be that Riley is doing everything he can to win that game.
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That's one way look at it, the other would be that Riley is doing everything he can to win that game.
Well we already brought up that most of the fan base probably would approve of a "less than best shot" if it preserves more returns in the future. Its not like Riley is in a "win or go home" type of situation with his constituents right now.
You should also keep in mind that these decisions are not made in a vacuum. All year we've been hearing about how great Tanner Lee is and he would be the starter as of right now in 2017.
Pulling the shirt to win a game, and then POB going back to being 2nd string for years 2 and 3, is not ideal.
IMO, Riley does not perceive he needs *this* win, that badly.
If they play Fyfe with a cast I'm switching from whiskey to Bud Light for the day. (More than a bottle of whiskey in three hours is bad for you, or so I have been told.)
Pulling the RS for one game would be seen by most fans as a foolish decision, I would think.
Yah I think the height of the redshirt talk came a few weeks ago and has since been accepted.
I don't get the general feeling among folks on the street that we're so desparate to get a 10th win we need to start paying massive penalties on our 401k's, you know?
We were going to hobble into whatever finish we could get. Which, when we accepted that, our OL situation was much darker, and we weren't sure if we'd even get 9.
It's been 15 years since we've had a really good season. I'm itching for the opportunity to go 11-2 AND beat Iowa. Iowa, who lost to North Dakota State. Cannot believe how complacent some of us have gotten with our football team.
"Yeah, we lost with our best chance sitting on the bench, but at least we have....well we don't know for sure what we have because for all we know POB may not even be here in 4 years or might not be starting or might get seriously injured and stop playing football altogether, but somehow we won with that decision to not even try"
I have to get back to work now, but it's been a riot talking with you guys though. I woke up thinking this would be just another Monday, my bad!!.
I might just be crazy, but I think ZD and POB have about the same chance of victory on Saturday. POB coming off a shirt in a short week, having only put in a little time in the offense and throwing into a secondary that contains King with a subpar OL for protection...probably will be some rough spots.
Asking ZD to run zone-read and play action....probably has some rough spots.
11 wins is certainly a possibility if we do or don't play POB, I think 10 is our more realistic ceiling, regardless if they burn the shirt or not.
I don't know that Fyfe will be a definitive no go. If you are down to your fourth QB and you have a half or quarter to go, you probably just run Fyfe out there in the shotgun for a couple series. Or put DPE in the wildcat
Agree with the above. It's a desperate situation.
Two months later beat #2 Michigan.
Interesting conversation. I just hope whoever plays kicks the shit out of Iowa.
One last thing though. People on here are still talking about beating Iowa as an "icing on the cake" to our year and that winning 10 games is not that big a deal over 9 games and so on.
People! We can still win the West. This game is important
One last thing though. People on here are still talking about beating Iowa as an "icing on the cake" to our year and that winning 10 games is not that big a deal over 9 games and so on.
People! We can still win the West. This game is important
Sure but there's still rational decisions to be made. Riley is not going to throw everything at the wall in the hopes that Wisky stumbles.
People here are talking about "oh Vegas knows something" with the lines and what that means. Vegas plays the numbers. Wisky is what, an 80% or 90% or more chance to win? He's not turning POB into mostly a career backup for *maybe* a win in IC, for *maybe* a small chance at being the West rep.
From what I'm reading....My thinking is this... You pull his shirt and we get beat it was the wrong decision, you don't pull his shirt and we get beat it was the wrong decision... So either way Riley is screwed! I trust he and Langs to evaluate the roster and make the right choice, whatever it may be.... GBR...
I don't know that Fyfe will be a definitive no go. If you are down to your fourth QB and you have a half or quarter to go, you probably just run Fyfe out there in the shotgun for a couple series. Or put DPE in the wildcat
Reid Karel - walkon from Sewell - high school QB - now practicing with the DBs
his tackling skills would be an asset in limiting the return yards on INTs
Oh I agree about POB. Riley says he is not ready. I am just saying we are still in this thing. This game is important.
To be fair, a lot of teams have had bad offensive games against Wisconsin this year.
First off saying we should beat Iowa because they lost to NDSU is crazy. Same logic would say we should lose to them cause they beat Michigan. Can never compare scores. In just the last 3 weeks, Florida, LSU, & Arkansas have done like a strange round robin matchup deal. Arkansas Crushed Florida but got killed by LSU. Then Florida beat LSU. It makes no sense.
Secondly, our best chance is Tommy. If he's sitting on the bench it's because its out of the staffs control. POB is not the best option. Hell he may not even be an option. He didn't come to NU a ready product QB like some highly rated QB's do out of HS. His 4-star ranking was how they saw him develop. He hasn't played a ton of organized football. He was primarily a baseball player most of his life IIRC. Don't hope to do this kid a disservice because rivals had him ranked high. He's no way near ready for College Football.
Darlington IMO is still the best option if TA cant go. Even a better option then Fyfe would be. We need to run against Iowa. Desmond King is going to be jacked up for Sr day. Some of those WR screen passes Fyfe threw last week would have "pick six" written all over them this week. I'm not trying to sh*t on RF's good day. It was good, but he got away with stuff against Maryland that a better team would have murdered him at. Again, no knock on RF. He did his job against Maryland. This post isn't to knock RF. This post is "what gives us the best shot to win". And I think TA is #1 (obviously) and I think ZD is #2 against Iowa. We need a heavy dose of Zone-Read.
So with that being sad, I think (football wise) having RF go down this week may have been a blessing in disguise
lamar jackson might be able to play....this is a mess but kinda fun...if we lose oh well but if we win what a story
Its all a ploy to make Iowa have to prepare for absolutely everything! Well played HCMR!
Because he has very marginal arm strength. He struggles in the timing for the short to intermediate routes, and can't legitimately execute vertical routes.
Do you know those throws Fyfe was making to the edge all game vs. Maryland? Darlington can't get enough zip on those throws to make it an effective play. Ideally, you get a quick guy out in space vs. defenders playing soft. But if the throw lacks velocity, it limits the amount of space each receiver or back has to make something happen.
Ironically, one could argue he's actually a better runner than Tommy Armstrong, Jr. Darlington is a little quicker and has better vision in the open field.
if he was good enough to earn a scholarship and earn 4 stars by Rivals, he's good enough to play on Friday. We are still playing for a chance to be in the BIG 10 Championship game. He's got to be a better option at QB than Lamar Jackson. Burn the shirt if they need to.
It seems so. Which could also explain why he did not seem to play as focused for the last quarter or so.
Good gawd, and people want him to play over POB? Yikes. I think I'm just going to come to grips with the fact that I'm on an island on this one and for the life of me I don't get how so many Husker fans would be OK with Darlington over POB if your scouting report about Darlington is true. Isn't the first time something went completely over my head and won't be the last.
I do think his biggest value is his between his ears though. I'm not saying POB is liability mentally. However, if you have to play one game, on the road, vs. a good defense, you might be better off starting a smart kid who can run well instead of a true freshmen who has never faced live action before.
I don't think Darlington will lose it for you where a true frosh making his first start could potentially "melt down" in that situation.
And FWIW, Darlington has been a college football player for 3 seasons with enough ST time to understand the speed of the action around him.
This is a really hard debate to assess since nobody on here really knows how good or ready to play either Darlington or POB are. I know I have zero clue. So guess what? I will have to trust that the coaches know better than any of us who is the most ready to play.
I started this debate leaning toward burning the redshirt if POB really is our best option. But rrt pointed out that Riley has said that POB is not ready. And in his presser today he mentioned getting Darlington ready to go.
Absent any other pertinent information, therefore, I declare this debate officially closed. Lol.
Beat Iowa!
I started this debate leaning toward burning the redshirt if POB really is our best option. But rrt pointed out that Riley has said that POB is not ready. And in his presser today he mentioned getting Darlington ready to go.
Absent any other pertinent information, therefore, I declare this debate officially closed. Lol.
Beat Iowa!
I think the issue is that you are projecting the idea that O'Brien = Possible Win and Darlington = Definite Loss. Not everyone agrees with you on that, which is why some of us think Darlington gives us enough of a chance to win to preserve O'Brien's redshirt.
Watching Ryker run for his life at times last week against Maryland makes me think that Darlington would be a MUCH better option if Ryker and TA can't go. You could see the football smarts that Darlington has in that spring game. Not the strongest arm but I think he could manage a game well enough and RUN well enough to put us in position to win. I'm afraid POB would be a total disaster. In addition I believe ZD has been running scout team QB when there was a need for a mobile guy to duplicate the zone read offenses of our opponents. I have to think he has taken hits.
This (if need be). We know ZD's liabilities, or at least have a better understanding of them. No one knows how POB will respond. Pretty big ask of a frosh. Hey kid, you haven't taken a single snap in a game against another team, now go on out and beat a rival team with a salty D that will be licking its chops. Oh, and by the way, the game is in their stadium. Could be a storybook story without a storybook ending. Just a wasted RS.
I was thinking it's dangerous for Darlington to play an entire game against Iowa, not that he meant less of a chance of winning. Honestly, I thought it was so out of the question health wise, that it isn't even a realistic possibility. Hopefully i'm wrong on that.
Ah gotcha. In my mind I just feel like if there was that type of risk, the coaches would not have let him stay on the team all this time.
agree .. but one really has no way of knowing
our 3 year starter with 30+ starts under his belt basically melted down and lost the game almost entirely on his own last year
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