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Final Thoughts

Archie Graham

Offensive Coordinator
Apr 12, 2007
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1) Love the class. Wish we could have landed Simmons.

2) Next year needs to be better. T20. I think it will be.

3) DT/WR are clear priorities for next year. KJJ should be N soon. I think we get all three from the group.

4) We have the best recruiting support staff in the country.

5) Biggest improvement MUST be use of OVs.
 
I stand by Top 15 is where we need to be going forward. Those goalposts will not be moved.

Agree with everything else.
 
I stand by Top 15 is where we need to be going forward. Those goalposts will not be moved.

Agree with everything else.
Who is moving goalposts? This phrase has been played out.

I don't believe anyone said we will be top 15 this year and then came back later and said, uh, top 25... If this happened, then yes, I guess goal posts were moved. But show me where it happened. Next year is where most say we will have a top 15 class.

Silentcommit, I applaud you for recognizing this phrase as a trigger in another thread...
 
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Who is moving goalposts? This phrase has been played out.

I don't believe anyone said we will be top 15 this year and then came back later and said, uh, top 25... If this happened, then yes, I guess goal posts were moved. But show me where it happened. Next year is where most say we will have a top 15 class.

Silentcommit, I applaud you for recognizing this phrase as a trigger in another thread...

Nobody has yet. I stated in other threads already, that this years class is acceptable. My personal opinion (which I fully recognize counts for nothing) is that top 15 classes are a must in order to compete at the level needed to win titles. So, that being said, there can literally be a hundred less than ideal things that pop up between now and next February. None of it matters. Top 15 is the goal. And it will be what I begin to judge Riley's regime on.
 
I like the class. Especially with a 6-7 record last year. I'd like to see top 15 as well next year. If we can get a top 25 with a new staff and a 6-7 record, then top 15 should be attainable (not easy) if we can turn out some good wins and get to a quality bowl.
 
We can win with the kids we've recruited and the kids we now have on the roster. Dantonio has been coaching at MSU since 07. MSU's rival rankings since 08 are 47, 17, 30, 31, 41, 40, 22, 22, 19. I think this is less about recruiting rankings (although we want the best classes we can get) and more about player development, consistently evaluating your roster and using each recruiting cycle to address roster needs. It was said that the previous HC looked at recruiting as a necessary evil. But if you look at the numbers on paper (below, taken from one of my previous posts), the previous staff did marginally better than MSU based just on rankings.
I would say that there is a lot more to this than just rivals rankings, and I don't mean "we'll put the stars on them". There are programs that have historically done well in these rankings that is not reflected in their win/loss record (see Texas) and those who have overperformed (see MSU). Presently the staff seems to be addressing some holes in the roster. Obviously you need talented kids, but you also need year to year balance in your recruiting efforts.
I don't have the expertise, but it would be interesting to see the number of kids each year that would be considered a "reach", either based on talent (Mason Wald) or academic issues/character. Seems we've had our share of those over the past decade. And I think the "reach" percentage is indicative of not taking recruiting seriously.

Year- # of contributors (class size, rivals rank)
8- 11 (28, 30) (Cally/Pelini hybrid)
09- 11 (20, 28)
10- 11 (21, 22)
11- 11 (19, 15)
12- 10 (so far) (17, 25)
13- 9 (so far) (25, 17)
14- 8 (so far) (24, 32)
15- 5 (so far) (20, 31) (Pelini/Riley hybrid)
16-NA (21, 25)
 
I'm excited with what this class brings to the overall picture. Bringing in extra linerbackers will help the special teams unit. Only gripe I would have is the lack of a DT, but Riley can probably sell PT for a stud DT or two next year. Lets hope. GBR
 
I agree with the posters saying we need to have a top 15 class next year. Obviously things can change, and quite frankly, I'm ecstatic with a top 25 class after having a losing record on the field. Assuming we don't get a bunch of bad breaks again next year, I think we can develop serious momentum if we have a stronger record to take away from some of the negative vibes and negative recruiting from opposing coaches.

If these coaches can land a top 25 class with a losing record and a short time to develop relationships, I don't think it's out of the question to think that with a winning record, we could sign a really good class.
 
T20 isn't going to cut it, T15 has to be the mark we hit.

Are you suggesting that for next year? Or do you believe that should be the standard every year?

I guess the bigger point I'm making is that if we are generally landing from 10-20 I'm happy. I do agree, however, that next year in particular should be T15. I can see now that my original post wasn't detailed enough.
 
Are you suggesting that for next year? Or do you believe that should be the standard every year?

I guess the bigger point I'm making is that if we are generally landing from 10-20 I'm happy. I do agree, however, that next year in particular should be T15. I can see now that my original post wasn't detailed enough.

That's a tough question for me personally. I need a few years to know how well this staff can coach up kids. It really seems like a top 15 class is what it's going to take to win the B1G, and get into the playoff. The B1G is only getting better.
 
Are you suggesting that for next year? Or do you believe that should be the standard every year?

I guess the bigger point I'm making is that if we are generally landing from 10-20 I'm happy. I do agree, however, that next year in particular should be T15. I can see now that my original post wasn't detailed enough.

2017 class. Each class after will depend on numbers available and needs to be addressed. It's the same philosophy I had with Peelini. Bottom line, we have to turn out top 15 classes 2 out of 4 or 5 years, while landing 20-25 class in-between.

Obviously that opinion will can change pending the development of what we do get. Riley is known as someone who can evaluate and develop. If that turns out to be true at Nebraska, then IMO a top 25 class is actually a top 15-18 class.
 
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2017 class. Each class after will depend on numbers available and needs to be addressed. It's the same philosophy I had with Peelini. Bottom line, we have to turn out top 15 classes 2 out of 4 or 5 years, while landing 20-25 class in-between.

Obviously that opinion will can change pending the development of what we do get. Riley is known as someone who can evaluate and develop. If that turns out to be true at Nebraska, then IMO a top 25 class is actually a top 15-18 class.

I think this is a pretty fair expectation. I'm extremely excited for March so we can get KJJ on board and begin putting together a special class.

My opinion is that the staff has shown some exceptional promise this year. Retaining old commits, securing early ones, maintaining them through a tough transitional season, and finishing strong on some primary targets is rather impressive. Time to build on it.
 
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Very strong possibility of a top 10 class next year IMO. Let KJR and his pals commit a little early and you could see a huge snowball effect. A good season next year will help too.
 
hope we keep getting better. still feel we can build on this.
 
2017 class. Each class after will depend on numbers available and needs to be addressed. It's the same philosophy I had with Peelini. Bottom line, we have to turn out top 15 classes 2 out of 4 or 5 years, while landing 20-25 class in-between.

Obviously that opinion will can change pending the development of what we do get. Riley is known as someone who can evaluate and develop. If that turns out to be true at Nebraska, then IMO a top 25 class is actually a top 15-18 class.

Player retention/recruiting kids that will make it to campus for the top rated players in the class will help a lot as well. Look at the Pelini classes and see how many top rated players transferred (Heard, Tyler Moore, Aaron Green, Klachko) or were never going to make it to campus (Starling, Harrison).
 
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