Cutting the roster to 105
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This is the way it has always been. Tommie Frazier's scholarship was calculated at the outstate rate while Ahman Green's was "worth" less. There are people in the university's financial aid office and athletics compliance office whose job it is to calculate these sort of things. Then the university bills the athletic department. The amounts vary from year to year.
Also, nobody is required to give any grant $ at all to any players, and some simply won't be able to afford it. Like I said, the rich will get richer
Will many NCAA teams begin to have a "practice squad" or something similar.? Those players won't be on the official 105 roster but would be held in some sort of reserve capacity. They could still get some NIL deal as compensation (cost of attendance) for being associated with the team but not on the 105. What is stopping them from being able to attend team meetings, do film study, and have access to workout facilities. If a player on the 105 gets injured, or decides to transfer, they get replaced by the practice squad player.
Describe the difference! I'll wait.
There is none. Webster's definition of a professional: participating for gain or livelihood in an activity or field of endeavor often engaged in by amateurs (previously known as college football)
Players are now compensated in cash and taxed for play. The NFL, UFL, and Arena leagues pay money for players, they have free agency, and a commissioner (The Select 2) for unity purposes. Their tuition and books are also paid for; how much total compensation is that worth at the end of 4-5 years?
So, please explain the difference...
If Rhule is smart and truly embraces a CEO role he will see these changes as an opportunity. He can upgrade and overhaul the staff while flipping the roster with a mix of high school players and transfers. It’s essentially a new lease on life for his tenure here if he plays his cards right in the offseason.
With the NIL dollars already available to pay players, how does it matter to programs that are already rich?
Youre right, we murder the preborn. Thankfully nebraska is going the right direction on that one.
1. No
2. Yes, its hypocritical of the ncaa to say we care about safety yadda and then tell schools to play more games with less roster. Its hard to practice effectively in week 10 let alone 13 and walk ons are valuable for that.
3. It will affect NU in the long run. I get the arguments that the roster is too big, but nebraska enjoyed walk on success that other universities did not, and many former players would not ever have been at NU if this rule was in place.
Jesus, we are this far into the right to NIL compensation (as mandated 9-0 by the US Supreme Court) and some fans are still confused?
Professional players are drafted and sign an employment contract which sets forth all manner of rights, rules, and restrictions applicable to the employer (c/o the labor union) and the employee (c/o the employer). Start there.
a college football/basketball players union is not far off
These have nothing to do with what a professional is. These are terms of agreement between employer and employee. Since the courts are involved, these rights or terms of agreement will be hashed out soon by the universities (Employers) and players (Employees). How you select or get drafted where you play is moot. If the universities get on the hook for the players being employees, this will raise the costs by about 40%-50% due to insurance, FICA, unemployment, workers' compensation, withholding, and union contracts. This will force many schools to drop football.
College football players are not employees. NIL compensation is a privately contracted arrangement independent of the college. Just about everything you posted above is speculative, at best.
You started this exchange by boldly proclaiming that “college football is dead” in light of the fact that it is demonstrably more popular and more lucrative now than at any other point in the history of the sport. It’s not dead.
I know they are not employees (probably will be soon). College football is , was, to be played by amatures. The players are no longer amatures, they are professionals now. Colleges previously would have football players for 4-5, develop them, knowing they would be there. Fans knew the rosters and watched the team develop. Players can transfer as many times as they want, and the top tier athletes prostitute themselves to the highest bidder. Universities in the B1G must honor their scholarships for 4 years, but now the players can leave when they want... I will say it again: this is not college football.
while they operate independently, NIL collectives, which pay the lion's share of collegiate athletes, are affiliated with their respective universities.
that line is much more blurry than you make it out to be.
The good news is 105 gets you 4 deep at EVERY position....theoretically
Couldn't agree more. I understand the love for the walk on program but at this point I don't think the juice was worth the squeeze.. imo we reached that a long time ago.
Hate it for the kids. But I actually think our coached and staff will quietly be fine with this.
Holla
Not allowed. Once a student-atlete takes part in any athletically-related activity, he counts as a member of the team. Such activities include practice and required team meetings.
105 is a lot of players. How many times does the 104th guy get into a game? Rarely. Still plenty of bodies for practice. Teams will adjust and be fine.
Tom Osborne lamented when scholarships were cut from 95 to 85 that it would end college football as we knew it. Obviously didn't happen. This won't kill it either
PS. And you can still have a walk-on program. Just invite players to be part of the 105 man roster and don't offer them any aid. Ta-da! A walk-on.
Also, anyone demonizing the NCAA over this is way off base. These initiatives are presented to the member schools by a school or a conference, then put to a vote. Nobody in Indianapolis is sitting around doing this
Probably better for most of them to go to lower tier programs and hit the portal later if they prove they can play.
None of the schools have the money. Can't afford it. The money will go toward administrative bonuses and travel budget.
I bet a fair number of the Nebraska kids just finish things out in Lincoln and give up football.
Back in the day, we had an oversized roster due to the JV team. Having kids play a JV season as freshmen, redshirt their sophomore year and play on the scout team. That's where the numbers were. The JV team practiced separately. After a year on the scout team, probably half of each class dropped off the roster. As I recall, there really weren't all that many walk-ons who stuck around long. So the only people lost in the shuffle were really only those 2nd year kids who were scout team & redshirting.
The way it works today sounds like a cluster-- far too many kids, too crowded, less productive practices.
Don't bet on it. I would say that most of our walkons are NOT going to find a home at FCS or D2. First of all, it is debatable that our 4th teamers would be attractive additions to any FCS team under normal circumstances. But this situation is different as many schools are going to be cutting loose guys at the same time. It's going to be much tougher to hook on with a team. Some will try to land at Wayne State or Kearney State. If the coaches already know them from HS, they'll have a shot there. But how many spots do those schools have open?
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Sure there's a product that resembles college football with a lot of money involved. It's semi-pro football played on college campuses in the traditional uniforms.
I'd tend to blame Congress for this more than the NCAA, but regardless, the crusty old ****s on rules committees can't help but get their greasy hands involved in changes like this. Be damned the consequences and long term implications of their own decisions. These geriatric ****s have done nothing else with their lives and this is their only shot to make an impact. They don't give the slightest shit whether the changes are actually positive or negative, just as long as they get to put their name on something and feel accomplished.
Because if they did give a shit, you'd think that at least one of them would have caught that the average roster size is well above 120. And that they were ruining opportunities for 20+ kids on each roster to be a part of major college football, and which often have much bigger and better schools and degree programs for those student-athletes.
Because if they did give a shit, you'd think that at least one of them would have caught that the average roster size is well above 120. And that they were ruining opportunities for 20+ kids on each roster to be a part of major college football, and which often have much bigger and better schools and degree programs for those student-athletes.
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It will be interesting to see how CC's morph over time... Will their importance be in the Group of 5 or in the FCS? I forgot about them.
Here is an article discussing the situation. Includes speculation of who may be processed.
https://www.si.com/college/nebraska...-position-by-position-ncaa-big-ten-matt-rhule
https://www.si.com/college/nebraska...-position-by-position-ncaa-big-ten-matt-rhule
Listed all the players that were Div 1 portal entries. 121 were indicated as 'Never Signed' I would guess some of those did sign with lower level programs.
So the new era of roster limits may effectively kill the idea of the dual sport athlete that wants to keep competing in a spring sport opposite the football season, albeit rare.
Also, I’m guessing HCMR and the AD will trim staff that was previously needed to help manage a 150+ roster and now no longer necessary for 105.??
Also, I’m guessing HCMR and the AD will trim staff that was previously needed to help manage a 150+ roster and now no longer necessary for 105.??
