Cutting the roster to 105

[nu2u]

This is professional football. Two select Powers To Be are dictating roster size, salaries, and total free agency. The inmates are running the asylum. The 5 smaller conferences are a feeder system to the 4 preselected conferences. If you can't cut it at the 4 selected conferences, move down a level, play a couple of seasons, and move back up... THIS is not college football. Give it about 5-6 years and the newness will wear off and the numbers will tumble, the money will slow down, and the only relevance of what used to be a season will be 5 weeks in November and December.

What? College football is not professional football lol. Put down the bottle.

 

[Cedric]

But if there is money set aside for full or partial scholly, what is full scholarship valued at? Do the state schools get to award in state tuition amounts for in state players on the roster?
If so, the private schools are at a disadvantage. Also, the state schools with the most in state talent would have a big advantage, like state schools in California, Texas, Georgia, Ohio, Florida, etc
Hope all these details are worked out fairly, which I am sure they won’t be

This is the way it has always been. Tommie Frazier's scholarship was calculated at the outstate rate while Ahman Green's was "worth" less. There are people in the university's financial aid office and athletics compliance office whose job it is to calculate these sort of things. Then the university bills the athletic department. The amounts vary from year to year.
Also, nobody is required to give any grant $ at all to any players, and some simply won't be able to afford it. Like I said, the rich will get richer

 

[PvilleHuskerTim]

Will many NCAA teams begin to have a "practice squad" or something similar.? Those players won't be on the official 105 roster but would be held in some sort of reserve capacity. They could still get some NIL deal as compensation (cost of attendance) for being associated with the team but not on the 105. What is stopping them from being able to attend team meetings, do film study, and have access to workout facilities. If a player on the 105 gets injured, or decides to transfer, they get replaced by the practice squad player.

 

[HuskerOH]

What? College football is not professional football lol. Put down the bottle.

Describe the difference! I'll wait.

There is none. Webster's definition of a professional: participating for gain or livelihood in an activity or field of endeavor often engaged in by amateurs (previously known as college football)

Players are now compensated in cash and taxed for play. The NFL, UFL, and Arena leagues pay money for players, they have free agency, and a commissioner (The Select 2) for unity purposes. Their tuition and books are also paid for; how much total compensation is that worth at the end of 4-5 years?

So, please explain the difference...

 

[BugsAreQualityProtein]

If Rhule is smart and truly embraces a CEO role he will see these changes as an opportunity. He can upgrade and overhaul the staff while flipping the roster with a mix of high school players and transfers. It’s essentially a new lease on life for his tenure here if he plays his cards right in the offseason.

 

[dinglefritz]

This is the way it has always been. Tommie Frazier's scholarship was calculated at the outstate rate while Ahman Green's was "worth" less. There are people in the university's financial aid office and athletics compliance office whose job it is to calculate these sort of things. Then the university bills the athletic department. The amounts vary from year to year.
Also, nobody is required to give any grant $ at all to any players, and some simply won't be able to afford it. Like I said, the rich will get richer

With the NIL dollars already available to pay players, how does it matter to programs that are already rich?

 

[huskerfan1414]

Dude. I get what your saying, But its pretty clear that "Morally wrong" doesn't matter in the US anymore.

Youre right, we murder the preborn. Thankfully nebraska is going the right direction on that one.

 

[huskerfan1414]

I believe that all of our walk ons have received the cost of attendance for the past year. That's nothing to sneeze at regardless of what the final rules are on this roster reduction. It sounds like there's some things that still have to be worked out and I suspect lots of schools are going to express concern about this. 105 guys is still a large number of guys but what is going to be more important than ever is finding mature P5 ready transfers to fill roster holes. Then how many QBs and centers for instance do you carry on your roster. We've seen teams go through 5 QBs due to injuries this year. There's not going to be as much room at programs like NU for projects. In some ways, it's going to make things easier for our staff and we might not need as many assistants as we have right now. Other than the feel good stories of the local kids walking on, this shouldn't really affect NU all that much in the long run. That new locker room is going to seem awfully empty next year.

1. No
2. Yes, its hypocritical of the ncaa to say we care about safety yadda and then tell schools to play more games with less roster. Its hard to practice effectively in week 10 let alone 13 and walk ons are valuable for that.
3. It will affect NU in the long run. I get the arguments that the roster is too big, but nebraska enjoyed walk on success that other universities did not, and many former players would not ever have been at NU if this rule was in place.

 

[nu2u]

Describe the difference! I'll wait.

There is none. Webster's definition of a professional: participating for gain or livelihood in an activity or field of endeavor often engaged in by amateurs (previously known as college football)

Players are now compensated in cash and taxed for play. The NFL, UFL, and Arena leagues pay money for players, they have free agency, and a commissioner (The Select 2) for unity purposes. Their tuition and books are also paid for; how much total compensation is that worth at the end of 4-5 years?

So, please explain the difference...

Jesus, we are this far into the right to NIL compensation (as mandated 9-0 by the US Supreme Court) and some fans are still confused?

Professional players are drafted and sign an employment contract which sets forth all manner of rights, rules, and restrictions applicable to the employer (c/o the labor union) and the employee (c/o the employer). Start there.

 

[king_kong_]

Jesus, we are this far into the right to NIL compensation (as mandated 9-0 by the US Supreme Court) and some fans are still confused?

Professional players are drafted and sign an employment contract which sets forth all manner of rights, rules, and restrictions applicable to the employer (c/o the labor union) and the employee (c/o the employer). Start there.

a college football/basketball players union is not far off

 

[BleedRed78]

Youre right, we murder the preborn. Thankfully nebraska is going the right direction on that one.

Woof...

 

[HuskerOH]

Jesus, we are this far into the right to NIL compensation (as mandated 9-0 by the US Supreme Court) and some fans are still confused?

Professional players are drafted and sign an employment contract which sets forth all manner of rights, rules, and restrictions applicable to the employer (c/o the labor union) and the employee (c/o the employer). Start there.

These have nothing to do with what a professional is. These are terms of agreement between employer and employee. Since the courts are involved, these rights or terms of agreement will be hashed out soon by the universities (Employers) and players (Employees). How you select or get drafted where you play is moot. If the universities get on the hook for the players being employees, this will raise the costs by about 40%-50% due to insurance, FICA, unemployment, workers' compensation, withholding, and union contracts. This will force many schools to drop football.

 

[nu2u]

These have nothing to do with what a professional is. These are terms of agreement between employer and employee. Since the courts are involved, these rights or terms of agreement will be hashed out soon by the universities (Employers) and players (Employees). How you select or get drafted where you play is moot. If the universities get on the hook for the players being employees, this will raise the costs by about 40%-50% due to insurance, FICA, unemployment, workers' compensation, withholding, and union contracts. This will force many schools to drop football.

College football players are not employees. NIL compensation is a privately contracted arrangement independent of the college. Just about everything you posted above is speculative, at best.

You started this exchange by boldly proclaiming that “college football is dead” in light of the fact that it is demonstrably more popular and more lucrative now than at any other point in the history of the sport. It’s not dead.

 

[HuskerOH]

College football players are not employees. NIL compensation is a privately contracted arrangement independent of the college. Just about everything you posted above is speculative, at best.

You started this exchange by boldly proclaiming that “college football is dead” in light of the fact that it is demonstrably more popular and more lucrative now than at any other point in the history of the sport. It’s not dead.

I know they are not employees (probably will be soon). College football is , was, to be played by amatures. The players are no longer amatures, they are professionals now. Colleges previously would have football players for 4-5, develop them, knowing they would be there. Fans knew the rosters and watched the team develop. Players can transfer as many times as they want, and the top tier athletes prostitute themselves to the highest bidder. Universities in the B1G must honor their scholarships for 4 years, but now the players can leave when they want... I will say it again: this is not college football.

 

[king_kong_]

College football players are not employees. NIL compensation is a privately contracted arrangement independent of the college. Just about everything you posted above is speculative, at best.

You started this exchange by boldly proclaiming that “college football is dead” in light of the fact that it is demonstrably more popular and more lucrative now than at any other point in the history of the sport. It’s not dead.

while they operate independently, NIL collectives, which pay the lion's share of collegiate athletes, are affiliated with their respective universities.

that line is much more blurry than you make it out to be.

 

[huskerfan66]

Will many NCAA teams begin to have a "practice squad" or something similar.? Those players won't be on the official 105 roster but would be held in some sort of reserve capacity. They could still get some NIL deal as compensation (cost of attendance) for being associated with the team but not on the 105. What is stopping them from being able to attend team meetings, do film study, and have access to workout facilities. If a player on the 105 gets injured, or decides to transfer, they get replaced by the practice squad player.

The good news is 105 gets you 4 deep at EVERY position....theoretically

 

[kakdawg]

This is going to be a good thing for Nebraska football. Nebraska needs to be focused in every respect, and I don't believe there is any way to efficiently coach a roster of 150+ players. Guys who could be "developed" are getting lost in the shuffle. I guarantee multiple points this season Rhule has thought "damn, I forgot about that guy" or maybe even "who the hell is this guy?" Sure, we might lose a few guys who could have eventually contributed, but that will be more than offset by focusing on a smaller number and getting them the reps and coaching that is so critical. I'm glad the NCAA is making a decision that we're too dumb to make ourselves.

Couldn't agree more. I understand the love for the walk on program but at this point I don't think the juice was worth the squeeze.. imo we reached that a long time ago.

Hate it for the kids. But I actually think our coached and staff will quietly be fine with this.



Holla

 

[Cedric]

Will many NCAA teams begin to have a "practice squad" or something similar.? Those players won't be on the official 105 roster but would be held in some sort of reserve capacity. They could still get some NIL deal as compensation (cost of attendance) for being associated with the team but not on the 105. What is stopping them from being able to attend team meetings, do film study, and have access to workout facilities. If a player on the 105 gets injured, or decides to transfer, they get replaced by the practice squad player.

Not allowed. Once a student-atlete takes part in any athletically-related activity, he counts as a member of the team. Such activities include practice and required team meetings.

105 is a lot of players. How many times does the 104th guy get into a game? Rarely. Still plenty of bodies for practice. Teams will adjust and be fine.

Tom Osborne lamented when scholarships were cut from 95 to 85 that it would end college football as we knew it. Obviously didn't happen. This won't kill it either

 

[Cedric]

Not allowed. Once a student-atlete takes part in any athletically-related activity, he counts as a member of the team. Such activities include practice and required team meetings.

105 is a lot of players. How many times does the 104th guy get into a game? Rarely. Still plenty of bodies for practice. Teams will adjust and be fine.

Tom Osborne lamented when scholarships were cut from 95 to 85 that it would end college football as we knew it. Obviously didn't happen. This won't kill it either

PS. And you can still have a walk-on program. Just invite players to be part of the 105 man roster and don't offer them any aid. Ta-da! A walk-on.

Also, anyone demonizing the NCAA over this is way off base. These initiatives are presented to the member schools by a school or a conference, then put to a vote. Nobody in Indianapolis is sitting around doing this

 

[dinglefritz]

Couldn't agree more. I understand the love for the walk on program but at this point I don't think the juice was worth the squeeze.. imo we reached that a long time ago.

Hate it for the kids. But I actually think our coached and staff will quietly be fine with this.



Holla

Probably better for most of them to go to lower tier programs and hit the portal later if they prove they can play.

 

[Zeke2005]

Probably better for most of them to go to lower tier programs and hit the portal later if they prove they can play.

Those kids can excel in Division 2 and maybe FCS.