True. But there's a difference between going over and above as opposed to making knee jerk reactions and accusations to score points. First ✋ knowledge.pretty sure "butt kissing" is in the job description for a grad assistant
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Please tell him I said he sucks at hiring and firing. Im sure he is a devent guy though. Where is he working now?
I don't think Banker helped anyone's stock value either. He sucked as bad as Blo. How many times can defensive players be out of position?
Undermining? Get real. TO knew the difference between what good football and piss-poor football looked like, and piss-poor football was taking place on the field. I can still remember the feeling of the crowd's complete resignation during the Oklahoma State game. All hope was lost at that point, and we still had 5 or 6 games left in the season. If anything, I thought TO was patient with BC.
TO wasn't a great AD, but call me crazy for thinking that he earned more than enough good will from being an integral part of 5 National Championships. TO is the reason why we can still fill a 90 K stadium when the results have been less than spectacular for more than 15 years.
I think both Miles and Erstad were poor hires, but I'm going to cut TO some slack. We would still be playing basketball at the Bob and baseball at Buck Beltzer if it weren't for TO. Our Athletic Department wouldn't be self-sustaining either, and we wouldn't be sitting in the goldmine that is the B1G Conference.
Disagree big time. Too many times the players were in position but couldn't make the play. I saw it over and over. The coach gets them there but the athlete has to take it from there. I think the quality issue shows through on that. Not a big fan of Banker, but in his defense, he didn't exactly have all league guys are every other position. Many on here liked his personality and all of that but his D's never got over the proverbial hump.
I guess you were watching different games than me. And for that matter, watching a different Banker during his entire career. He has sucked pretty much his entire career.
I saw guys there but unable to make the play more times than I can count. Over run a okay, allow the cut back, don't wrap up, on and on. It wasn't like teams ran all over us. I guess this comes from many hours of watching HS football films.
I guess he (Banker) has been unfortunate to have had so many poor players during his career (including the pros), because he has had poor defenses wherever he has been.
Almost everyone in the fanbase and media praised the hires of Pelini and Miles at the time. I'm sure if TO had a time machine, he would go back and make different hires, but at the time they both seemed like good hires. We didn't exactly have a ton of proven candidates banging down our door for either position.
If it's scheme the blame goes to the DC. In this case Banker. If it's lack of development it's combination of position coach and DC. Again mostly Banker. If it's personnel or the lack thereof, the DC has to take majority of blame because he should know what he needs for his scheme to succeed.
Now can it be argued that he's dealing with cupboard bare syndrome, SURE. Are his guys underclassmen that Diaco will benefit from which he never got the chance to? You tell me. I don't know if anyone knows that for sure.
I saw a lot of poor tackling, guys out of position, guys overrunning plays, guys taking bad angles, guys in position and flat out got smoked, and towards the end of the season just plain lack of enthusiasm. How good was senior/player leadership?
I think there's more than one thing or person to pile the blame. Every opinion and observation is probably holding some truth. Even ineffective offense gets some in my opinion and not having Foltz was big.
New chapter ahead of us so let's hope it plays out well. I think we will be much better and balanced in all aspects.
Now can it be argued that he's dealing with cupboard bare syndrome, SURE. Are his guys underclassmen that Diaco will benefit from which he never got the chance to? You tell me. I don't know if anyone knows that for sure.
I saw a lot of poor tackling, guys out of position, guys overrunning plays, guys taking bad angles, guys in position and flat out got smoked, and towards the end of the season just plain lack of enthusiasm. How good was senior/player leadership?
I think there's more than one thing or person to pile the blame. Every opinion and observation is probably holding some truth. Even ineffective offense gets some in my opinion and not having Foltz was big.
New chapter ahead of us so let's hope it plays out well. I think we will be much better and balanced in all aspects.
Waving the white flag, I see. Good choice, because your initial post was about as short-sighted as they come.
I agree. For the last 2 years the behind the scenes talk by the end of the season was lack of leadership. Personally, there were a couple of linebackers I was tired of seeing get rewarded for mediocrity. And how about a senior safety that was suspended at the start of the season and bowl game. Great example for younger players!
I didn't like the Miles hire from the outset, but like everyone else, I became a star-gazer and became enamored with his ability to recruit, not giving enough credit to our amazing facilities. I wanted Eustachy, which would have come with its own set of issues, but I still think he is a better coach than Miles.
No, you're completely wrong. Didn't you know...Banker was fired because his personnel was poor. Riley fired one of his good friends because there was no talent in the cupboard, not because of Banker's deficiencies as a DC.
I tried telling you people for years Bo was not the answer, I was called a Hater and repeatedly banned for simply being critical of Bo.
Good one.No, you're completely wrong. Didn't you know...Banker was fired because his personnel was poor. Riley fired one of his good friends because there was no talent in the cupboard, not because of Banker's deficiencies as a DC.
Riley was a loyal friend and in today's world that is very admirable. But for him to get to the next level he needs an attacking defense. The days of using a bend don't break defense is over. And implementing that style of defense is smart when you're playing a game to keep it close for the fourth quarter. But to win Championships you need to attack the offense.
I am glad Riley made the change. My only criticism was that he had worked side by side with Banker for years (a decade + ??) . This should have been enough time for him to come to a conclusion about his coaching and recruiting abilities prior to naming him DC at Nebraska. It would be nice to be in year 3 - rather than year 1 of the defensive scheme. Hopefully the transition will be smooth.
Agree, was critical of Riley at the beginning too, but he is realizing he needs to make a change. Heck, even TO was ok with Bo Pelini for indefinite future that had me scared silly.
It's absolutely not short sided. Now I'm not going to rehash all the old BS that went on when BC was here, but anyone that was around then and paid any attention to Nebraska football knows Tom completely did everything in his power to undermine BC because he was butt hurt that his little buddy got fired.
Been a fan all my life, but hadn't heard this... Of course, I don't have ears anywhere close to the program, so I wouldn't have any insider information. All I heard was what was publicly stated by TO, and it was something like he wanted BC to succeed, but he did have some minimum standards BC needed to achieve to stay on.
Now I know that this is what would have been said by most, but what kinds of things did TO do to undermine BC? What are you referring to? You've piqued my curiosity...
Agree quite a bit with your post. If memory serves me correctly, TO did not spend much time around the FB program in those days. 1) wasn't invited 2) didn't want to overshadow 3) could have been upset. But I never heard specifically that he wanted to undermine the program. That doesn't sound like his style at all.
Nothing would surprise me. He backdoors the AD and hand picks his successor, goes into politics, in a district he hadn't lived in for 40 years or more, staying completely away from the football program, then his successor gets fired and an outsider is hired, about the time Callahan lays an egg, TOs political career is coming to an end, he gets to be the savior and brings in Pelini. But gets out right before the whole thing comes to a head, leaving the mess for someone else. Impeccable timing or perfectly planned? You tell me. But he never gets any blood on his hands.
That's why I asked... I have no clue and if some have more specifics I would be interested.
Obviously, I don't want to believe this about Osborne, but I have nothing to contribute because I am nowhere near the program.
Insiders?
Not an "insider" but I know some of the guys that know the characters involved in the story. I wouldn't go so far as to say that Tom personally undermined the program but his presence certainly didn't help BC and Cosgrove in particular. Some boosters and some of Tom's former players were lobbying for Tom to come back long before the season went down the toilet for Callahan. I also know that there were some former players telling some of Coz's players to ignore the technique they were coaching. Maybe Coz's coaching was bad, but it makes it tough when you've got at least one DB and a linebacker free lancing. That said, some of BC's hires for the defense (some at SPs suggestion) were not great. They could recruit. Conflict is not unusual when you have the type of turnover we had and with the living legend still lurking around the edges of the program. It really isn't complicated. Power, money, egos etc. Riley has bent over backwards trying to embrace the tradition and guys like Milt and Charlie. Hiring Parrella was a great move IMO to heal some of the wounds. IMO, Riley has done about as good of a job of trying to bring people together as anybody could have hoped for and from all accounts he's the genuine article. Parents want to have their kids play for him in much the same way as they wanted them to play for Tom.
Thanks for this insightful post... good info that makes sense, and also some things I wasn't aware of (former players involvement).
That's exactly what I've heard too. Do people really think that TO had it in for Bill Callahan? He may have after Callahan called him a "crusty old fart," but he gave BC every opportunity to succeed. But BC hitched his wagon to a loser DC, and needed to be let go.
BTW, how much would TO have to undermine a head coach whose team gave up 40 or more points 4 times in one season for the first time in the 118 year history (at the time) of our program? He later broke his own existing record of futility that season by giving up 65 to Colorado.
All TO had to do was sit back and watch the embarrassing losses mount. With the help of Cosgrove, BC was fully capable of putting himself in that position without any help from TO. And he did just that.
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