Hard to even imagine thinking Colin Cowherd has an inkling of a clue about Nebraska football, much less actually respecting his opinion.
Cowherd & Klatt nail it on NU yet AGAIN
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I would accept all of the wins next year
But it depends on what your definition of turning the program around is. Several of the teams you mentioned have had recent success but it remains to be seen if they can do that consistently. Several of those programs you mentioned are the type of programs that are totally ok with several 5 win season as long as once in a while they get a 9 win season. This program views turning the program around as being consistently competitive for conference titles. There’s not a chance in hell we could have done that in less than 5 years with the hole we were left with after Riley’s staff was here.
Arkansas recruits the hell out of Texas, Oklahoma and the SEC footprint. Arkansas has a beautiful campus and has a ton of talent in it's 500 mile radius.
why don't you start by telling us how many wins is acceptable next year for your team.
I wish Trev just would have simply said that despite the win loss record not being what we want he believes that frost is the right coach for the job
the whole brother, husker, Nebraskan comment served no purpose other than to make both he and frost look weak
terrible quote
the whole brother, husker, Nebraskan comment served no purpose other than to make both he and frost look weak
terrible quote
I agree but he didn't say anything that the majority of Husker fans didn't know. If he hadn't been a Husker great, he would have been fired. Some things are just better left unsaid.
My definition is having a winning season by year 4. If you cant have a winning season by year 4 at your first P5 level job...you are simply not a good coach, and you never will be, as 50 years of college football history have shown us this.. Facts, and figures, tangible evidence...not feelings..
Frost couldnt even manage a single winning season in 4 years. Lots of coaches have been able to go into worse environments, with worse rosters, and with less cache and name brand and win prior to year 4.
I mean the man cant even get a winning record in a season by year 4, thats a problem.
And BTW there are coaches that HAVE had winning records prior to year 4 and they didnt turn out to be that great of coaches.
But NO coach in the last 50 years started off with 4 straight losing seasons, then amazingly became a really good coach..None, not one..
So Frost is fighting 50 years of college football history and results here..with a ZERO percent success rate so far...for 50 years.
😂 no they dont. Did cowherd or klatt say this when frost was hired? Of course not. Nobody including frost would have believed he should have stayed for a 5th year had the results been what they are.
Of course they do. Klatt especially would talk circles around anyone in here when it comes to college football. Take notes from people that are smarter than you.
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And IF this path fails, Alberts will have likely saved NU over 12 million in buyouts and a HUGE split in the fanbase by giving Frost another year. Nobody will be able to say that we didn't give Frost enough time IF he doesn't win next year. Nobody is arguing that Frost has proven he can win at NU. Nobody is arguing that the results have been acceptable. What we're saying is that changing the OC, QB coach, and OL coach might be enough to change the Ls to Ws and if it isn't, then I think it will be MUCH easier to replace Frost next fall and certainly MUCH less expensive.
@Boiler_B would you rather us be where we were with Bo where we consistently get 9 wins a season but we know that every time we play a big boy team we are going to lose by 30? Things HAVE to get better, but as many of the analysts around the country have said we are a FAR better team than our record dictates. I think we are much closer to being a top tier team than we have been since Solich left. Frost just hast to figure out how to tighten those last couple gears.
And what if Alberts misses on a coach this yr that would have ended up being the next great coach at NU that now gets swooped up by someone else cuz Frost was spared?
Remember, had any of the three previous coaches that Oklahoma fired after Switzer and before getting to Bob Stoops stayed even one season longer than they did...they never would have gotten Bob Stoops, he would have been gone already, off the market..
Think about that for a second.
NU is going to lose millions this yr BECAUSE Frost is the coach. Don't u get that? Fans will buy less gear, less fans going to games, less $$ being sent for donations that's millions of dollars lost already by keeping him.
In fact a new coach would have excited the fan base and they would have made millions MORE on the excitement. More donations, more gear sold, More butts in seats etc..
The fan base will still be split if Frost wins say 5-6 next yr, cuz there will be alot of people clamoring to keep him longer to "give him more time w the new OC:" Then we are om a. Never ending Frost merry go round..which is just stupid.
The only way the fan base doesn't get split next yr, is if Frost has another losing record..
Then people would probably agree.
And BTW, Frost should have made the Offensive changes sooner than he did by yr 2 or 3. It was already obvious by that time he needed upgrades. But he didn't do it.
You all act like Frost is doing something great by replacing coaches that any good coach would have done SOONER..
He was backed Into a corner and finally made changes he should have last yea or the year before. That's not the sign of a good coach.
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I understand and brought up on this board many times the economics of home games, ticket sales, concession sales and gear sales on this board. I will tell you that bringing Frost home sold a TON of gear and boosted donations. Again, I think some backdoor inquiries to agents were probably made weeks ago and we weren't getting the interest we wanted. You can pose all of the "what if's" you want. That doesnt' change the reality that there isn't a sure thing hire out there. What you might do is boost fan hopes for a season and then once the cold hard reality set back in you're back to square one. There are no quick fixes IMO and our AD decided this was the most prudent course of action at this point. It's behind us now. You can spit and fume and bitch all you want. It doesn't change it. It might be time to put it to bed for another season.
There were no inquiries made, there were no attempts to hire anyone else via backdoor, front door or side door or any door.
If u are bringing back a guy with 3 straight losing seasons and guaranteed a 4th..with 3 wins..u were not gonna get rid of him had he won 0 games this yr.
And that is what should piss off the fans, that we were stuck with Frost another year regardless of what he did this year. It's asinine, it's a total complete slap in the face to the fan base, and one that the fan base certainly did not deserve.
So Ohio St and Penn St both run the spread and Penn St throws the ball 27 or more times per game since Franklin took over. He is in control of the offense regardless of who the OC is. Ohio St has thrown the ball 30 or more times per game almost every year. Those are similar numbers to what Frost’s teams have put up.
So the Air Nebraska and the pass first offense comments are at best dishonest.
I don’t believe the offense is the issue. I believe the offensive line issues are due to the OLine coaching. Hopefully the next OLine coach will be a better technical coach than Austin was.
So the Air Nebraska and the pass first offense comments are at best dishonest.
I don’t believe the offense is the issue. I believe the offensive line issues are due to the OLine coaching. Hopefully the next OLine coach will be a better technical coach than Austin was.
Why are the options only win 9 with blowouts or Frosts 4 straight losing seasons amd playing close?
How about option C.. getting. A new coach who may not have the above problems and is a good coach..
Now that we are paying top 20 money for coaches, we shouldn't have any trouble luring a good coach to NU, even if it is an up and Comer coach...
Colin and Klatt have their opinion. They absolutely can believe that. I just disagree with them wholeheartedly. Nothing against them though.
Holla
I agree with them... I do think this is a 6 year rebuild & has to have time put into it for it to succeed. They were dang near over the top this year, really wish it would have happened, just needed 1 or 2 of the multiple opportunities to fall our direction but it didn't happen
As a rival fan I think he should be given a 15 year no cut contract with 20% raise every year
Dumb take is dumb. Shouldn’t take more than 2 to be over .500 at Nebraska. And trying to use these pundits thoughts as a reason to celebrate keeping Frost is just silly. I’m here to see Frost to succeed, but the justification of failure is really pretty dumb. Shouldn’t be the case at any university, let alone Nebraska. Whatever, GBR.
Then you should be able to provide evidence to where they said it when frost was hired. They obviously dont believe that nonsense. If they did they arent smarter than anyone. There is no blue blood program in the country where frost's record through 4 years would be acceptable
It was time to move on from Bo when we did. He got 7 years and had plateaued. With that said he was light years better than what frost has done to this point. No way in hell would a bo coached Nebraska team be close to last place in the conference. Moral victories dont mean much when you cant beat anybody. Who cares if you played Ohio state close when you also lost to Illinois, Purdue and Minnesota? 9-3 is better than 3-9 every single time with no debate.
6 year rebuilds were NEVER a thing EVER in the history of college football until people started using it to describe Frost in Lincoln only after his first 1-2 years cuz he started so horribly.. Not even Frost thought it was going to be a 6 year rebuild after he got here. He even has been quoted as saying as much.
I can cite many coaches who went toMUCH worse programs, with less talent, with worse cultures that started posting winning records by year 4 or less. Many. And these were teams that didnt look at their upcoming schedules and pencil in 2-3 wins in their non con..like Frost could cuz they were the types of teams that would lose those games as well prior to their coaches getting there. These were coaches that did not step foot info a blue blood program with cache, or a name to help them recruit or the facilities or anything close to what NU has to help with success.
There has NEVER been a blue blood that EVER gave a coach that started off with 3 straight losing seasons a 4th year. NEVER IN HISTORY. Except for Nebraska.
There is not a good football program in the county that has EVER given a coach with 4 straight losing seasons a 5th year. In fact the very thought of it is laughable and too comical to imagine it actually happening. Until it just did a few days ago.
Frost won’t rewrite anything if AM returns next year. That would be the nail in the coffin. He is great between the 20s, but chokes in the red zone. When AM chokes then Frost panics and failure results. We don’t need a star at QB, we need a solid game manager with quiet confidence in himself( see Alabama, Wisconsin, Iowa, most years). Move AM on to a Graduate Assistant job, then give HH and a transfer battle it out for next season. Can’t possibly be a worse result.
You don't know that. There have been several long time posters on this board who disagree with that assumption. You don't enter the deliberation of keeping a losing coach by not having your ducks in a row. Trev has a multitude of connections in college and the NFL. He could pick up his cell phone, go in to his directory and hit "call" for multiple coaches or agents "just to say hi".
We have no way for knowing for sure what did or didn't happen but I find it very hard to believe that there was some "research" done on who might be interested.
For one, I hope AM comes back. A different QB coach and OC might end the paralysis by analysis foisted on us by Grandpa Potter. That said, IF he didn't perform a new OC just might sit his ass and let somebody else have a shot in an actual game.
And there are other people who state that coaches were told they had 2022 guaranteed no matter what happened in 2021..But the optics sure look like the coaches had 2022 guaranteed dont they? Which backs up the point being made.
And like I said, if you are going to extend a coach with 3 straight losing seasons after he just guaranteed his 4th straight losing season..and he has 3 wins? They were never gonna let him go in the first place.
There were lists of coaches right now who would be interested in the NU job as the head honcho now that we are paying top 20 money.
Hell Patterson and Gundy wanted the NU job in 2007 so dont tell me, we dont have quality coaches interested in this job..
Gundy puts his name out there for every job just to get a raise.
I’ll need a link with quotes from Patterson that says he wanted the job.
There are 4 coaches that apparently didn’t have the 2022 season guaranteed. So even if they were told that, it didn’t happen. So that sort of refutes the point being made.
It doesn't prove the take wrong when the majority of coaches and the HC is retained..after 4 straight losing seasons. Any coach realizes some sacrifices would have to be made aka a fee coaches let go to keep the fans at bay. Dude u cant keep EVERY coach after 4 ,straight losing seasons, don't be naive, that's ridiculous..some sacrifices had to be made....
This was before Gundy started putting his name out there for raises, as he had only been at Okie light for two years..
Patterson quote he Interviewed for NU job, but could tell TO had already made up his mind on hiring Bo.
Gary Patterson tells ESPN he interviewed for Nebraska job in 2007, but 'could tell they had already decided' on Bo Pelini
TCU coach Gary Patterson told ESPN he interviewed for the Nebraska job after Bill Callahan was fired in 2007, but he "could tell they had already decided on (Bo) Pelini."
Weird - Osborne said he only interviewed Gill, Pelini and Grobe.It doesn't prove the take wrong when the majority of coaches and the HC is retained..after 4 straight losing seasons. Any coach realizes some sacrifices would have to be made aka a fee coaches let go to keep the fans at bay.
Patterson quote he Interviewed for NU job, but could tell TO had already made up his mind on hiring Bo.
Gary Patterson tells ESPN he interviewed for Nebraska job in 2007, but 'could tell they had already decided' on Bo Pelini
TCU coach Gary Patterson told ESPN he interviewed for the Nebraska job after Bill Callahan was fired in 2007, but he "could tell they had already decided on (Bo) Pelini."omaha.com
Sooo?
Ur saying both Patterson and Gundy are lying then?
Lol
Of course Oz is only going to openly admit to interviewing Grobe and Gill..
Cuz why would u openly admit u fooked up that bad on a hire when u had a Patterson In his prime and Gundy u could have hired? Both tremendously much better coaches than the guy you did hire.
Oz has a motive for not mentioning the other two coaches cuz he screwed up.
Makes 100% perfect sense WHY he wouldn't want to mention that he interviewed and PASSED on both of them in favor of BO.
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Yes Gundy is a liar. He has put his name in for literally every job opening in the SEC and a few others. Only to get a raise and stay at Oklahoma St
Osborne stated he only interviewed those 3 guys shortly after hiring Pelini. There was no reason, at that time, to not mention them, but mention Grobe. At that point no one knew Pelini was going to Pelini.
It isn't like he said that in 2014 after Pelini was fired. So your motive rationale is easily debunked.
So then Patterson is lying as well? So now u are saying two coaches conspired to make up a story that they interviewed for the same job during the same cycle, even local media reported that they both interviewed for the job, multiple sources say trhy interviewed for the job..
Yet u don't want to believe that they did even interview for the job, cuz the one guy that it would make look bad if he admitted it..says he didn't.
I mean can you even find me the quote where TO says he only interviewed the three guys you mentioned? And he SPECIFICALLY says those were the ONLY coaches he interviewed? You should be providing that quote, or maybe you are just misremembering..I mean it was 15 years ago....
Lol
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