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Congratulations on being too cool to get tripped up with facts about the story that brought this whole subject back up in the first place. Your trophy should arrive within 5-10 business days.
Nah. Point stands. No matter how much you spin it, political polls and the president have nothing to do with this subject. No matter how many times you click your heels together and wish, it just won't be true.
 
9600 is a pretty hefty sample, actually, but I agree with the rest of your points.

I find it hard to believe there are a significant number of actual football fans refusing to watch because of "domestic violence/crime/image objections."

They really should have had "my team sucks this year" as an option.


But do you think only actual football fans watch games? I'm not saying that the decrease in viewership is actual football fans, butbthe runoff is probably a mix between people, who weren't football fans, not watching because of the reasons you mentioned and the popularity of Redzone channel.

I don't watch any games on the actual networks anymore. I just put it on Redzone and I can watch what the scoring plays of every game. After watching 6 hours of commercial free football, I have no desire to watch Sunday or Monday.
 
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But do you think only actual football fans watch games? I'm not saying that the decrease in viewership is actual football fans, butbthe runoff is probably a mix between people, who weren't football fans, not watching because of the reasons you mentioned and the popularity of Redzone channel.

I don't watch any games on the actual networks anymore. I just put it on Redzone and I can watch what the scoring plays of every game. After watching 6 hours of commercial free football, I have no desire to watch Sunday or Monday.

Fair points. I wonder what their operational definition of a football fan is (and admittedly I'm too lazy to click the link).

Red zone isn't for me - I don't find it immersive and feel like I miss the "story" you get when watching a whole game. I can see why people like it, though.
 
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Fair points. I wonder what their operational definition of a football fan is (and admittedly I'm too lazy to click the link).

Red zone isn't for me - I don't find it immersive and feel like I miss the "story" you get when watching a whole game. I can see why people like it, though.
I like red zone if the game I'm most interested in is on break. Also cool for fantasy as you can follow the major scoring events.
 
What a trainwreck of a statement. So because some people kill other people and that's a problem...police should kill people who did not commit those murders...because that helps somehow?
A large percentage of people believe that cops targeting black people is BS. Kap was the poster child for this BS being shoved in our faces. Prior to all these cop shooting incidents being brought to the attention of us by Obama and an unbiased media, violent crime and most major cities had been decreasing for years. Since then, violent crime has been increasing rapidly in which black people have been the predominant victims. Hmmm...I wonder why? Could it be that the cops said - "Fk It, that dude looks like he could be looking for trouble, but I'm not going to be the latest cop on the evening news", so they keep on driving and black lives are lost.
 
A large percentage of people believe that cops targeting black people is BS. Kap was the poster child for this BS being shoved in our faces. Prior to all these cop shooting incidents being brought to the attention of us by Obama and an unbiased media, violent crime and most major cities had been decreasing for years. Since then, violent crime has been increasing rapidly in which black people have been the predominant victims. Hmmm...I wonder why? Could it be that the cops said - "Fk It, that dude looks like he could be looking for trouble, but I'm not going to be the latest cop on the evening news", so they keep on driving and black lives are lost.

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A large percentage of people believe that cops targeting black people is BS. Kap was the poster child for this BS being shoved in our faces. Prior to all these cop shooting incidents being brought to the attention of us by Obama and an unbiased media, violent crime and most major cities had been decreasing for years. Since then, violent crime has been increasing rapidly in which black people have been the predominant victims. Hmmm...I wonder why? Could it be that the cops said - "Fk It, that dude looks like he could be looking for trouble, but I'm not going to be the latest cop on the evening news", so they keep on driving and black lives are lost.
If you followed it properly, neither Obama nor the media were the ones driving these stories. They went viral on social media in many cases after civilians filmed and uploaded the incidents. The news would then pick it up because they want a piece of the ratings action, but they were already late to the party.

As for the notion that Obama caused racism, I'm not buying that now nor will I ever be buying it. You and Morgan Freeman can have that conversation that the way you solve racism is to pretend it doesn't exist. The fact that you used to not hear about something doesn't mean it didn't exist before. I just means you didn't hear about it. That's like you going to Yellowstone and posting pictures and then me blaming you for the new threat of geysers.

I'd like to see your sources on that rapid increase on violent crime. I'd also like to be in the room when you float your theory to a police chief on cops choosing not to do their jobs because they fear the evening news.
 
If you followed it properly, neither Obama nor the media were the ones driving these stories. They went viral on social media in many cases after civilians filmed and uploaded the incidents. The news would then pick it up because they want a piece of the ratings action, but they were already late to the party.

As for the notion that Obama caused racism, I'm not buying that now nor will I ever be buying it. You and Morgan Freeman can have that conversation that the way you solve racism is to pretend it doesn't exist. The fact that you used to not hear about something doesn't mean it didn't exist before. I just means you didn't hear about it. That's like you going to Yellowstone and posting pictures and then me blaming you for the new threat of geysers.

I'd like to see your sources on that rapid increase on violent crime. I'd also like to be in the room when you float your theory to a police chief on cops choosing not to do their jobs because they fear the evening news.
This, for starters, a video clip from 60 Minutes - unless you think they are a right wing mouthpiece. You remind me of the reporter at the 1:30 mark - he is stunned that police have pulled back. To us "uneducated" people, as the media likes to paint us, this is simple common sense. To you "intellectuals", it is uncomprehendable.

 
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If you followed it properly, neither Obama nor the media were the ones driving these stories. They went viral on social media in many cases after civilians filmed and uploaded the incidents. The news would then pick it up because they want a piece of the ratings action, but they were already late to the party.

As for the notion that Obama caused racism, I'm not buying that now nor will I ever be buying it. You and Morgan Freeman can have that conversation that the way you solve racism is to pretend it doesn't exist. The fact that you used to not hear about something doesn't mean it didn't exist before. I just means you didn't hear about it. That's like you going to Yellowstone and posting pictures and then me blaming you for the new threat of geysers.

I'd like to see your sources on that rapid increase on violent crime. I'd also like to be in the room when you float your theory to a police chief on cops choosing not to do their jobs because they fear the evening news.
As for Obama - he had a national press conference after the verdict in Ferguson. Do you remember Bill Clinton doing one after OJ was acquitted? Obama chose to step into a local, highly publicized case in which tensions were high on race. Hmmm....kind of sounds like the OJ case, doesn't it? Although a majority of Americans felt OJ got away with murder, they accepted the verdict and went back to work. Not quite the same outcome when the commander in chief decided to step in on Ferguson...
 
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This, for starters, a video clip from 60 Minutes - unless you think they are a right wing mouthpiece. You remind me of the reporter at the 1:30 mark - he is stunned that police have pulled back. To us "uneducated" people, as the media likes to paint us, this is simple common sense. To you "intellectuals", it is uncomprehendable.

Incomprehensible*

Before we go further, I'm not on that "cops are all racist" shit. A lot you guys think I am, and I'm not.

I haven't found evidence that policing is inherently racist. I have not seen measurables that bear that out when I have looked into the matter. That included research for my term paper for a psychology of race class in college. Can't support that hypothesis.

What I am on is that "for their own safety, the good cops can't cover up for the bad cops" shit. So when one of them does shoot somebody and it was a total screwup, they need to face the consequences. Which is really all anyone reasonably is asking if you pay attention.

The problems and corruption within CAPS were (and probably still are) profound. Perhaps you recall the scandal they pulled on their heads after trying to suppress video and generally trying to cover up what happened in this incident. In which the cop shot that dude 16 times. Again, if people were firing a couple shots I could start to understand. It's bullets say...4-16 where I start to have trouble following along. They tried their assess of to keep that video from getting out and about the time it looked like it could cost Rahm an election, golly the video got loose. Which is so delightfully Chicago of them.

You may not have heard about this fun little place where they had a habit of being conveniently bad at record keeping. There's a word to describe taking people to a secret detention site and not telling anyone or booking them through the judicial system: illegal.

Watch out because I'm about to start sounding oddly Libertarian on you:

If Chicago police want to stick to the script and do their jobs by the book, to that I say GOOD. That's what you're supposed to be doing. I won't lose sleep at night worry about Officer Tryhard getting discouraged and no longer wanting to go in on every JDLR he rolls by.

You ever get pulled over on one of those, "thought you were someone else" stops? I have. Where they pull you over and the cop gets the window and looks at you like, "ahhhhhh, who the f are you?" Then he's gotta go through the motions and comes back with a warning like, 'yeah you uh, were a little outside your lane back there.' Sure thing buddy. Good luck finding the actual guy with the car that looks like mine. Be a real shame not to have those in my life.

If doing your job right means you don't want to do it any more, there's the door. Get gone. Being a cop ain't for everyone and nobody is forcing them to do it. There's no cop draft. If you're out because you can't just murder somebody if you get pissed off, then good, get out.

The laws apply to everyone. Cops are there to enforce the law by making arrests, not reinvent it my carrying out executions.
 
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As for Obama - he had a national press conference after the verdict in Ferguson. Do you remember Bill Clinton doing one after OJ was acquitted? Obama chose to step into a local, highly publicized case in which tensions were high on race. Hmmm....kind of sounds like the OJ case, doesn't it? Although a majority of Americans felt OJ got away with murder, they accepted the verdict and went back to work. Not quite the same outcome when the commander in chief decided to step in on Ferguson...
Which part of Obama's statement was unacceptable exactly?

The part where he stated this should be a nation of laws? The part where he (repeatedly, I've counted over six times so far) condemned and discouraged rioting and vandalism? The part where he praised police as hardworking and putting their lives on the line? The part where he encouraged police to have positive relationships with their communities? The part where he pointed out the fact that there are places where minorities and cops don't trust each other and said everyone should work together to better that for their mutual gain?

Because I watched it then and I watched it again now and I'm not hearing the part where he said all cops are racists and we gotta get whitey. Could you tell me which part of the video that is?

I couldn't read comments on a news article last year without seeing a bunch of people asking where Obama was or why he wasn't condemning riots, always wanna know "where are the leaders at" when some violence breaks out that isn't related to surfing. So he condemns riots and tells people to work together, encourages the adoption of policing strategies that are proven to be effective and your takeaway is "He's stoking racism."

WUT???
 
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If you followed it properly, neither Obama nor the media were the ones driving these stories. They went viral on social media in many cases after civilians filmed and uploaded the incidents. The news would then pick it up because they want a piece of the ratings action, but they were already late to the party.

As for the notion that Obama caused racism, I'm not buying that now nor will I ever be buying it. You and Morgan Freeman can have that conversation that the way you solve racism is to pretend it doesn't exist. The fact that you used to notcanh hear about something doesn't mean it didn't exist before. I just means you didn't hear about it. That's like you going to Yellowstone and posting pictures and then me blaming you for the new threat of geysers.

I'd like to see your sources on that rapid increase on violent crime. I'd also like to be in the room when you float your theory to a police chief on cops choosing not to do their jobs because they fear the evening news.
What? We heard about racism before, we have heard about it forever. Obama didnt bring it to light, he created it where it didnt exist and used it as a crutch. Of course theres racsim, everybody knows that.

The fact that Obama got up in front of cameras to help spread and perpetuate a lie (hands up dont shoot which never happened), and basically told the nation that cops and america is racist caused a shit load of racial tension. He stood in front of the black caucus and said this in regards to michael brown. Black men feel threatened by police, guilty of walking while black or driving while black. Nevermind that brown assaulted a police officer after robbing a business. You are going to say "Well its true black men are treated differently by police yadda yadda" thats not the point...obama is speaking about brown when he says these things, thus spreading the belief that brown was in fact guilty of being black and nothing else, which causes rage in the community. Even if obama believes these things, this was not the incident in which to voice such concerns as its not the case at all. For someone who is supposedly soooooo smart, youd think he would realize this. Well I agree, he is very smart, and he knew exactly what he was doing.
Same with trayvon. Before any court case, in an American judicial system that maintains that all suspects are innocent until proven guilty, the man that is seen as THE HEAD OF THE GOVERNMENT, goes out and helps spread a false narrative that a black man was shot simply because of racism before the truth even comes out.
Obama used the race card constantly where it didnt belong, even with himself. Bitter clingers, etc. Disagree with me cuz im black, etc. on and on, your head is in the sand as usual beav.
Obama not only hurt race relations, he caused a lot of racism and fueled biases against white people.
 
What? We heard about racism before, we have heard about it forever. Obama didnt bring it to light, he created it where it didnt exist and used it as a crutch. Of course theres racsim, everybody knows that.

The fact that Obama got up in front of cameras to help spread and perpetuate a lie (hands up dont shoot which never happened), and basically told the nation that cops and america is racist caused a shit load of racial tension. He stood in front of the black caucus and said this in regards to michael brown. Black men feel threatened by police, guilty of walking while black or driving while black. Nevermind that brown assaulted a police officer after robbing a business. You are going to say "Well its true black men are treated differently by police yadda yadda" thats not the point...obama is speaking about brown when he says these things, thus spreading the belief that brown was in fact guilty of being black and nothing else, which causes rage in the community. Even if obama believes these things, this was not the incident in which to voice such concerns as its not the case at all. For someone who is supposedly soooooo smart, youd think he would realize this. Well I agree, he is very smart, and he knew exactly what he was doing.
Same with trayvon. Before any court case, in an American judicial system that maintains that all suspects are innocent until proven guilty, the man that is seen as THE HEAD OF THE GOVERNMENT, goes out and helps spread a false narrative that a black man was shot simply because of racism before the truth even comes out.
Obama used the race card constantly where it didnt belong, even with himself. Bitter clingers, etc. Disagree with me cuz im black, etc. on and on, your head is in the sand as usual beav.
Obama not only hurt race relations, he caused a lot of racism and fueled biases against white people.
Except that he didn't say that. You're saying that. None of that is in the video above.

The ability of people to mash around a bunch of emotions and then craft them in their memory into a statement that never happened is amazing.
 
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Man after being out of the country for a month this story is all I am hearing about.. Miami probably is the only city that has a legit gripe about his "baggage" after his Castro shirt last year.. He is absolutely worth a backup spot but the circus that comes with him isn't... He is a smart guy and if a football opportunity doesn't arise I am sure he will find a job somewhere or continue his activism on some level.
 
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What? We heard about racism before, we have heard about it forever. Obama didnt bring it to light, he created it where it didnt exist and used it as a crutch. Of course theres racsim, everybody knows that.

The fact that Obama got up in front of cameras to help spread and perpetuate a lie (hands up dont shoot which never happened), and basically told the nation that cops and america is racist caused a shit load of racial tension. He stood in front of the black caucus and said this in regards to michael brown. Black men feel threatened by police, guilty of walking while black or driving while black. Nevermind that brown assaulted a police officer after robbing a business. You are going to say "Well its true black men are treated differently by police yadda yadda" thats not the point...obama is speaking about brown when he says these things, thus spreading the belief that brown was in fact guilty of being black and nothing else, which causes rage in the community. Even if obama believes these things, this was not the incident in which to voice such concerns as its not the case at all. For someone who is supposedly soooooo smart, youd think he would realize this. Well I agree, he is very smart, and he knew exactly what he was doing.
Same with trayvon. Before any court case, in an American judicial system that maintains that all suspects are innocent until proven guilty, the man that is seen as THE HEAD OF THE GOVERNMENT, goes out and helps spread a false narrative that a black man was shot simply because of racism before the truth even comes out.
Obama used the race card constantly where it didnt belong, even with himself. Bitter clingers, etc. Disagree with me cuz im black, etc. on and on, your head is in the sand as usual beav.
Obama not only hurt race relations, he caused a lot of racism and fueled biases against white people.

The Great Divider.
 
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Except that he didn't say that. You're saying that. None of that is in the video above.

The ability of people to mash around a bunch of emotions and then craft them in their memory into a statement that never happened is amazing.
It wasnt in the video, i didnt reference the video nor did i post the video, try to follow along.
 
Which part of Obama's statement was unacceptable exactly?

The part where he stated this should be a nation of laws? The part where he (repeatedly, I've counted over six times so far) condemned and discouraged rioting and vandalism? The part where he praised police as hardworking and putting their lives on the line? The part where he encouraged police to have positive relationships with their communities? The part where he pointed out the fact that there are places where minorities and cops don't trust each other and said everyone should work together to better that for their mutual gain?

Because I watched it then and I watched it again now and I'm not hearing the part where he said all cops are racists and we gotta get whitey. Could you tell me which part of the video that is?

I couldn't read comments on a news article last year without seeing a bunch of people asking where Obama was or why he wasn't condemning riots, always wanna know "where are the leaders at" when some violence breaks out that isn't related to surfing. So he condemns riots and tells people to work together, encourages the adoption of policing strategies that are proven to be effective and your takeaway is "He's stoking racism."

WUT???
What part of his statement? It was the fact he felt led to make a statement at all. As I mentioned - Clinton didn't feel moved to review that we are a nation of laws when a verdict was released on a racial case that garnered national attention.
 
What part of his statement? It was the fact he felt led to make a statement at all. As I mentioned - Clinton didn't feel moved to review that we are a nation of laws when a verdict was released on a racial case that garnered national attention.
What a total punt. You get caught out having no idea what he actually said so you just claim he's not allowed to be on TV at all. Are you not embarrassed to roll out with something that weak?
 
It wasnt in the video, i didnt reference the video nor did i post the video, try to follow along.
Should be easy, you go ahead and post where he said all the things you claim.

BTW in 2017 there's pretty much no reason to be on the "Trayvon deserved it" bandwagon. How many times does Zimmerman have to prove he's a lawbreaking psycho before you start to wonder if maaaaaaaaybe he lied about why he had to jump out of his car and fight some random teenager? You don't get to be on that team where everyone needs to STFU and criminals deserve what they get and then figure it's just a coincidence this guy keeps getting arrested for domestics. Oh and SHOT AT.

Granted I'm not quite as old as he is and yet I have zero arrests and zero people have tried to kill me, let alone two. Makes you wonder if maybe it's him...
 
What a total punt. You get caught out having no idea what he actually said so you just claim he's not allowed to be on TV at all. Are you not embarrassed to roll out with something that weak?
Beav - this is simply why you don't get what is happening to Kap. Just like the mainstream media, your head is in this alternative universe. What is the common denominator to this thread going nearly four pages? YOU - debating most every other common sense person. Without you, it would have stopped long ago. Just as most folks think there are two genders, there's always a fringe that will try to explain how there are several - it just depends on what mood you are in. I know where you stand - I won't change your mind and you won't change mine. Bottom line, Kap is unemployed and more black people have ceased to exist from shootings since he has brought awareness. Life goes on. Peace out.
 
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Should be easy, you go ahead and post where he said all the things you claim.

BTW in 2017 there's pretty much no reason to be on the "Trayvon deserved it" bandwagon. How many times does Zimmerman have to prove he's a lawbreaking psycho before you start to wonder if maaaaaaaaybe he lied about why he had to jump out of his car and fight some random teenager? You don't get to be on that team where everyone needs to STFU and criminals deserve what they get and then figure it's just a coincidence this guy keeps getting arrested for domestics. Oh and SHOT AT.

Granted I'm not quite as old as he is and yet I have zero arrests and zero people have tried to kill me, let alone two. Makes you wonder if maybe it's him...
Not my problem you have revisionist history or simply fail to keep up with whats in the news....im sure your biased outlets did a great job keeping you informed as usual...not. Fake news! (Here comes fox news asssumption jab from lib playbook). How about you google what he said, and you seriously dont remember his trayvon press conferences? Wow.
You also fail to get my point about trayvon. Im not arguing the case, num nuts, and deep down you probably know that but like a typical liberal you cant argue something you redirect and label.
The point is not what happened, the point is a sitting president blamed racism in one murder in a country where thousands happen every week, stoked the flames of racial tension, assumed guilt for an american citizen before a trial even happened or evidence was even gathered, all to push his race baiting agenda and divide our nation while passive aggresively pointing out how bad america his, his true feelings. Anyway, you seem to totally ignore how awful it is for our supposed leader to do that. He race baited at every opportunity. Even liberal pundits have pointed out obamas failure on race.
And btw, zimmerman might be an idiot, and he was probably an idiot that night, but the image of trayvon just minding his own business, licking a lollypop after playing on the slide at the park and going home to study and cuddle with mom and was shot only cuz hes black is just as flawd. He played a role that night too, but the case isnt the point here.
 
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Beav - this is simply why you don't get what is happening to Kap. Just like the mainstream media, your head is in this alternative universe. What is the common denominator to this thread going nearly four pages? YOU - debating most every other common sense person. Without you, it would have stopped long ago. Just as most folks think there are two genders, there's always a fringe that will try to explain how there are several - it just depends on what mood you are in. I know where you stand - I won't change your mind and you won't change mine. Bottom line, Kap is unemployed and more black people have ceased to exist from shootings since he has brought awareness. Life goes on. Peace out.
Well said.
Beav aint changing his mind and we arent changing ours about this.
You either hate America or you love it.
 
Threads like these remind me of why I had to move out of the state. Far too many "B1G RED RULES" types, among others.
 
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IMO, whether or not you agree, there are many Americans who feel like CK taking a knee during the national anthem is similar to taking a poop in America's kitchen Winking

Well, then they are wrong. The flag is not the constitution. There's nothing in the constitution that says anyone has to stand for the flag or take an oath of loyalty to America. Requiring one to do so is the very definition of fascism. I have said it before, protest is more American than standing for a flag, period. It's how our forefathers built the foundation of our country.

I highly doubt that the lower NFL ratings are due to CK sitting on his helmet. It's due to a boring product with a bazillion commercials, digital ads added to the field, overpaid players acting like it's all about them and everything over produced. That and the faux patriotism. It's just a football game. God doesn't give a crap about it.

Wrapping yourself in a flag doesn't make you any more American. I stand for the flag out of respect. I served in the military to give others the right to protest. Especially those that might offend me. Anyways, I don't love CK or him sitting on his butt. But it really doesn't offend me. My employer doesn't require me to salute the flag before I start work and neither should CK's.
 
Well, then they are wrong. The flag is not the constitution. There's nothing in the constitution that says anyone has to stand for the flag or take an oath of loyalty to America. Requiring one to do so is the very definition of fascism. I have said it before, protest is more American than standing for a flag, period. It's how our forefathers built the foundation of our country.

I highly doubt that the lower NFL ratings are due to CK sitting on his helmet. It's due to a boring product with a bazillion commercials, digital ads added to the field, overpaid players acting like it's all about them and everything over produced. That and the faux patriotism. It's just a football game. God doesn't give a crap about it.

Wrapping yourself in a flag doesn't make you any more American. I stand for the flag out of respect. I served in the military to give others the right to protest. Especially those that might offend me. Anyways, I don't love CK or him sitting on his butt. But it really doesn't offend me. My employer doesn't require me to salute the flag before I start work and neither should CK's.
There is alot of things that are done here that are not part of the Constitution or Bill of Rights. One of them is mandatory health care. Does not stop the government and gastapo libs for demanding that it is.
 
There is alot of things that are done here that are not part of the Constitution or Bill of Rights. One of them is mandatory health care.

I'm not taking sides on political issues. The constitutionality of any law would be decided by the supreme court. My point is the right of protest. Protesting others right to protest is not patriotic. Requiring one to stand and take an oath or face a flag is not patriotism. It is fascism.
 
Well, then they are wrong. The flag is not the constitution. There's nothing in the constitution that says anyone has to stand for the flag or take an oath of loyalty to America. Requiring one to do so is the very definition of fascism. I have said it before, protest is more American than standing for a flag, period. It's how our forefathers built the foundation of our country.

I highly doubt that the lower NFL ratings are due to CK sitting on his helmet. It's due to a boring product with a bazillion commercials, digital ads added to the field, overpaid players acting like it's all about them and everything over produced. That and the faux patriotism. It's just a football game. God doesn't give a crap about it.

Wrapping yourself in a flag doesn't make you any more American. I stand for the flag out of respect. I served in the military to give others the right to protest. Especially those that might offend me. Anyways, I don't love CK or him sitting on his butt. But it really doesn't offend me. My employer doesn't require me to salute the flag before I start work and neither should CK's.
To clear things a little, I personally didn't care either. I agree I thought it was incredibly disrespectful, but it was his right. However, while there were military personnel that had said it was his right and what they had fought for, like you had said (and thank you for your service btw), there were also at least a few who spoke out about how much it offended them that they served for the country and that was his method of demonstration. I have never served in the military, but I can see how some who have would find that offensive, even if it is his right to do so.

I don't necessarily think it is right for the NFL to 'blacklist' him either if that is actually what is happening, but that is also their right. And people can't have it both ways. If you agree it was his right to 'speak' out that way, it is also the NFL's right to 'speak' out their own way.
 
To clear things a little, I personally didn't care either. I agree I thought it was incredibly disrespectful, but it was his right. However, while there were military personnel that had said it was his right and what they had fought for, like you had said (and thank you for your service btw), there were also at least a few who spoke out about how much it offended them that they served for the country and that was his method of demonstration. I have never served in the military, but I can see how some who have would find that offensive, even if it is his right to do so.

I don't necessarily think it is right for the NFL to 'blacklist' him either if that is actually what is happening, but that is also their right. And people can't have it both ways. If you agree it was his right to 'speak' out that way, it is also the NFL's right to 'speak' out their own way.

You don't think this is just a tad bit overblown?
 
I'm not taking sides on political issues. The constitutionality of any law would be decided by the supreme court. My point is the right of protest. Protesting others right to protest is not patriotic. Requiring one to stand and take an oath or face a flag is not patriotism. It is fascism.
Nobody is requiring him.
I also love your double standard.
 
You don't think this is just a tad bit overblown?
O most definitely! But IMO you have a well known professional athlete taking a stance about racial issues at a time when race relations have majorly degraded in this country. Then on top of that, you add in his demonstration against a symbol of America and you are getting more people involved. So his stance didn't just involve racism, but patriotism as well.
 
I was at the Texas Rangers game last week. We were talking about the latest incident in the terrorism. I was relating my experience in the military. I remember standing watch overseas soon after the USS Cole incident. I couldn't stop thinking that someone was not doing their job when that happened. I was determined that it wasn't going to repeat because of me not taking my watch seriously. I said that our service members do their duty so that we can be free to sit at the ballgame. Without someone else's sacrifice we wouldn't be free to do the things we take for granted, like go to the ballgame. Then I brought up my nephew. Meet my nephew...

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He was in the field this last week. I asked him to send me some pics. I'm so proud of him.

Sitting on your helmet? Doesn't bother me. I wouldn't do that. It even irks me a bit. I just can't think that he should be denied a job because of it. He's not disrespecting America. He is America.
 
I was at the Texas Rangers game last week. We were talking about the latest incident in the terrorism. I was relating my experience in the military. I remember standing watch overseas soon after the USS Cole incident. I couldn't stop thinking that someone was not doing their job when that happened. I was determined that it wasn't going to repeat because of me not taking my watch seriously. I said that our service members do their duty so that we can be free to sit at the ballgame. Without someone else's sacrifice we wouldn't be free to do the things we take for granted, like go to the ballgame. Then I brought up my nephew. Meet my nephew...

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He was in the field this last week. I asked him to send me some pics. I'm so proud of him.

Sitting on your helmet? Doesn't bother me. I wouldn't do that. It even irks me a bit. I just can't think that he should be denied a job because of it. He's not disrespecting America. He is America.
He is disrespecting america, and hes not being denied a job. If he is being denied a job in the nfl, then so am i.
 
I was at the Texas Rangers game last week. We were talking about the latest incident in the terrorism. I was relating my experience in the military. I remember standing watch overseas soon after the USS Cole incident. I couldn't stop thinking that someone was not doing their job when that happened. I was determined that it wasn't going to repeat because of me not taking my watch seriously. I said that our service members do their duty so that we can be free to sit at the ballgame. Without someone else's sacrifice we wouldn't be free to do the things we take for granted, like go to the ballgame. Then I brought up my nephew. Meet my nephew...

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He was in the field this last week. I asked him to send me some pics. I'm so proud of him.

Sitting on your helmet? Doesn't bother me. I wouldn't do that. It even irks me a bit. I just can't think that he should be denied a job because of it. He's not disrespecting America. He is America.
But I don't look at it as being denied a job. He used his employer's name and platform to promote his views. CK was 'at work' while he was doing this. IMO there are very few companies that want an employee to use their work time to express their own personal views. If CK would have done this outside of the football field, it would have been viewed much differently. But when his views don't align with those of the NFL (at least publically), then it is very much their right to deny him employment. How he feels outside of 'work' is much different. He could use that time to express how he feels. And then if the NFL denied him employment, I would agree with you completely. But that wasn't where or when he was doing his protesting.
 
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Also I don't think the NFL is actually denying him employment. I just don't think there is anyone who wants to take the publicity and deviciness he brings with him. Not to mention he isn't a great qb (not terrible though), and he has dropped weight because of his diet thing we wanted to do
 
And I'm not a CK fan, nor a 49ers fan. I think his fro looked stupid. I dislike his tats. I don't even care for his sitting on his helmet. But... it doesn't offend me to the point that I will stop watching NFL football or call for his boycott. I just believe he has that right. I'm more offended by the a-hole playing listening to his cellphone loudly while I'm eating a restaurant. I want to boycott his ass outside! :D
 
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I'm not taking sides on political issues. The constitutionality of any law would be decided by the supreme court. My point is the right of protest. Protesting others right to protest is not patriotic. Requiring one to stand and take an oath or face a flag is not patriotism. It is fascism.
I have never claimed different. I agree with your points. But like I said before, he had 1000s of opportunities to bring attention to his new cause before he chose a way that he knew would be distracting, disrespectful, and contreversial. The media making him a victim after his actions is just stupid.
 
Well, then they are wrong. The flag is not the constitution. There's nothing in the constitution that says anyone has to stand for the flag or take an oath of loyalty to America. Requiring one to do so is the very definition of fascism. I have said it before, protest is more American than standing for a flag, period. It's how our forefathers built the foundation of our country.

I highly doubt that the lower NFL ratings are due to CK sitting on his helmet. It's due to a boring product with a bazillion commercials, digital ads added to the field, overpaid players acting like it's all about them and everything over produced. That and the faux patriotism. It's just a football game. God doesn't give a crap about it.

Wrapping yourself in a flag doesn't make you any more American. I stand for the flag out of respect. I served in the military to give others the right to protest. Especially those that might offend me. Anyways, I don't love CK or him sitting on his butt. But it really doesn't offend me. My employer doesn't require me to salute the flag before I start work and neither should CK's.
Actually back in the day "wrapping yourself" in a flag was considered almost as disrespectful as burning it. I was taught at a young age that wearing clothing with depictions of the American flag in any form or manner other than a badge on a uniform was not to be done. Now we have American flag bikini underwear for the gay pride marchers. The Kaepernick saga had it's root in the Ferguson mess and yes Obama and his AG's office inflamed that situation for political purposes. IMO there have been multiple cops murdered in part because of the anger inflamed by his administration. We need administrations that build bridges between the communities instead of driving wedges. And building bridges doesn't mean looking the other way when crimes are committed.
 
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