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Bama was embarrassed (they lost) to Vandy and OU. Big balls to argue for them
They aren’t better than TN, Vandy or Okie. Nuff said.
Name IU’s best win
Then go thru Alabama’s.
They have 4 quality wins compared to IU’s …? I’ll give them Michigan
Alabama beat the 2 seed
IU looked like IU in each game vs tournament teams
Dude bama lost to not one, but two .500 teams. Quit simping for the sec - it makes you look like a bitch.
There's no argument, losses matter too. I'm not arguing IU is some power but they didn't lose to a bottom feeder or get embarrassed by a team comparable to OU. Just cause their roster might be better, doesn't matter. And they lost to a team that got hammered last night. Bama wasn't good enough
neither of you can answer the question.
Won’t respond to the other moron.
I’m happy for IU. Just believe that them having a weak schedule sets a bad precedent. And bama is better than Iu. We both know that.
They’re all good questions. I don’t know how they leave IU out either. But, on the other hand I believe Ole Miss, Bama, South Carolina were better teams.
So, are we having a beauty pageant or a tournament?
Or is it both?
I’m not pumping up the SEC. Just discussing the flaws
The debate comes down to best teams vs most deserving teams.
Going all in on the best teams argument leads to some problems. It locks in playoff spots based upon preconceived notions that aren’t challenged enough. It excludes teams that had historic seasons. And it devalues the actual on field results during the season.
If Alabama is really that good in 2024, then they shouldn’t have been dominated by a mediocre OU team and lost to Vandy. Also lost to a Tennessee team that was not at all special. If they were worthy, not all of that would have happened. They had their chance, couldn’t do it. Let someone else have a crack that had a historic season and lost fewer games.
Going all in on the best teams argument leads to some problems. It locks in playoff spots based upon preconceived notions that aren’t challenged enough. It excludes teams that had historic seasons. And it devalues the actual on field results during the season.
If Alabama is really that good in 2024, then they shouldn’t have been dominated by a mediocre OU team and lost to Vandy. Also lost to a Tennessee team that was not at all special. If they were worthy, not all of that would have happened. They had their chance, couldn’t do it. Let someone else have a crack that had a historic season and lost fewer games.
ACC didn't deserve a single team in the playoff, and got 2.
Their conference champ got whooped 3 times by SEC teams.
Yes, the best team argument matters. When your conference is a complete shitshow like the ACC and B12 this year, you don't deserve an invite.
SMU's ceiling was 'hanging' with Clempson. Alabama's ceiling was beating the #2 seed in the tournament.
I’d have had Ole Miss ahead of them.
We are debating the last couple spots in the tournament. I’d prefer to give them to the better team for better opening match ups.
IU is showing all teams that beating nobody and having an easy schedule are good enough. This will be manipulated. We should not encourage this or we can kiss awesome non conf games goodbye.
Dont get destroyed by a bad OU team and they are easily in. Bama has gotten the benefit of the doubt more than any team this past decade. Booo hoo they got left out like they should have. Go cope with Alabama Jones.
Indiana beat Michigan and Washington, the two teams in last year’s championship game. But they don’t get credit because those teams underwhelmed this season. Nobody else on their schedule, Nebraska included, rose up to be a challenging opponent.
But they went 11-1, and earned a shot in the conference championship game to prove their mettle against the best team in the conference. Except that didn’t happen. Somehow they were 1 of 3 teams to finish with 0 or 1 losses in the B1G, and was excluded from a quality win opportunity by tiebreaker.
This situation will not repeat, at least not by scheming or planning.
But they went 11-1, and earned a shot in the conference championship game to prove their mettle against the best team in the conference. Except that didn’t happen. Somehow they were 1 of 3 teams to finish with 0 or 1 losses in the B1G, and was excluded from a quality win opportunity by tiebreaker.
This situation will not repeat, at least not by scheming or planning.
I’d make a similar argument for Texas per the season. If you got left out of the 12 it means you probably lost to a shitty team or two.
Also this - SEC plays 4 OOC games. Keep this is mind simps.
Ole Miss OOC Schedule :
- Furman
- Mid Tenn St
- Wake Forest
- GA Southern
Wow what a schedule. You cucking out your wife to Lane?
The 8 vs 9 game conference schedule is a good one, one I've used myself.
Alabama finished below Tennessee both in overall record and in the SEC.
2024 Alabama < 2024 Tennessee.
I hate Indiana. And enjoyed watching their ass kicking.
But if that ass kicking = "didn't belong in the playoffs", then Tennessee didn't belong in the playoffs, because they got twice the ass beating that Indiana did. And 2024 Tennessee is above 2024 Alabama in any bowl or playoff pecking order.
Arguing that Indiana's ass kicking somehow meant that Alabama should have been in is an inconsistent one (at best).
Arguing that Indiana's ass kicking -- coupled with the other first round ass kickings -- should mean the playoffs should be limited to 8 teams is a decent one.
2024 Alabama < 2024 Tennessee.
I hate Indiana. And enjoyed watching their ass kicking.
But if that ass kicking = "didn't belong in the playoffs", then Tennessee didn't belong in the playoffs, because they got twice the ass beating that Indiana did. And 2024 Tennessee is above 2024 Alabama in any bowl or playoff pecking order.
Arguing that Indiana's ass kicking somehow meant that Alabama should have been in is an inconsistent one (at best).
Arguing that Indiana's ass kicking -- coupled with the other first round ass kickings -- should mean the playoffs should be limited to 8 teams is a decent one.
I agree completely. Not only Bama but Ole Miss and its coach…I didn’t see any complaints from him about the Tennessee game being boring like he ran his mouth about during the Indiana game. He’d be upset about a 16 team playoff that featured 12 SEC teams.
IU isn’t better than Tenn, bama ole Miss or scar
You can’t say they are, if you’re being honest.
I agree with all of you that it would be hard to leave them out of the playoffs. But I guess I would have looked more at who you played, beat and potential rather than just record.
I wonder how many teams could have replicated the same record with IUs schedule? We will never know.
The playoffs are here to stay. They will tweak them. It will still leave teams out that felt deserving. But, it’s a slippery slope now. There’s no point in having good non conf games if you’re conf schedule is rough. Playing in the B1G or SEC is not the same as playing in the other conf.
I’ve seen 2-3 loss teams that could have done some damage because they got hot toward the end of the year. And maybe they finished as the best.
I enjoy these playoffs. They broke the old system and bowl games are basically irrelevant. I would have rather watched ole miss at ND. Bama at PSU. Because I know those games would have been better
1. The SEC is overrated. 2. There aren't that many teams that are national championship quality. There might be two or three at Max. So when we get a playoff system that has 12 teams you're going to have outliers that are not that great. I always thought that 8 teams was the perfect number. Even at that, the number 8 team is probably just fodder. I mean it gives them hope and some years you're going to have a Cinderella team win it all. But most likely scenario is someone in the top four will take it.
You don’t know they aren’t either, if you’re being honest. But it doesn’t matter. None of the teams named Indiana, Alabama, Ole Miss, South Carolina or SMU were going to contend for the national title. The regular season already revealed they are not good enough.
But I would not argue for reducing the field. For one reason, I would rather err on the side of including too many than too few teams. For another, it creates room for the “most deserving” teams even if there are doubts about them being among the “best teams”.
Yes, but he got tired of talking to himself
I don’t think it’s clear cut that none of those teams would contend because I don’t think anyone is that dominant this year, although there are games where certain teams look the part.
I’ll concede. Go Hoosiers
SEC is the only P4 conference with a winning head to head record against the other 3 P4 conferences this season
It’s properly rated
Dude we just witnessed #3 SEC vs #3 B1G.
Who cares about top sec teams racking up wins against bottom feeders like Wake Forest, FSU, UCLA, Wisky, NC state etc.
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