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The deal is that parity is better than it was a few years ago before the four team playoff, but quality looks to be tailing off after the top 6 teams - ND Plus the remaining B1G/SEC teams.
 
They removed Louisville from their non conference slate.

And they were embarrassed the only time they played a team who was playoff worthy

Most times I agree with you. 11-1 is damn good. And for them it was damn good. But they are not a top 12 team. They are the benefactor of a weak schedule.

The problem with “11-1” gets you in will show when everyone schedules Evansville Johnson as their premier non conference game.

Good victories and SoS mean something. Paying Louisville to cancel your game so you can beat up on a bad schedule is petty and weak.
Bama was embarrassed (they lost) to Vandy and OU. Big balls to argue for them
 
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How do you know that ?
Name IU’s best win
Then go thru Alabama’s.
They have 4 quality wins compared to IU’s …? I’ll give them Michigan

Alabama beat the 2 seed
IU looked like IU in each game vs tournament teams
 
Bama better than IU?
There's no argument, losses matter too. I'm not arguing IU is some power but they didn't lose to a bottom feeder or get embarrassed by a team comparable to OU. Just cause their roster might be better, doesn't matter. And they lost to a team that got hammered last night. Bama wasn't good enough
 
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There's no argument, losses matter too. I'm not arguing IU is some power but they didn't lose to a bottom feeder or get embarrassed by a team comparable to OU. Just cause their roster might be better, doesn't matter. And they lost to a team that got hammered last night. Bama wasn't good enough
neither of you can answer the question.

Won’t respond to the other moron.

I’m happy for IU. Just believe that them having a weak schedule sets a bad precedent. And bama is better than Iu. We both know that.
 
neither of you can answer the question.

Won’t respond to the other moron.

I’m happy for IU. Just believe that them having a weak schedule sets a bad precedent. And bama is better than Iu. We both know that.
So why play the games. What was Bama's out of conference schedule, I honestly don't know
 
So why play the games. What was Bama's out of conference schedule, I honestly don't know
They’re all good questions. I don’t know how they leave IU out either. But, on the other hand I believe Ole Miss, Bama, South Carolina were better teams.

So, are we having a beauty pageant or a tournament?

Or is it both?

I’m not pumping up the SEC. Just discussing the flaws
 
The debate comes down to best teams vs most deserving teams.

Going all in on the best teams argument leads to some problems. It locks in playoff spots based upon preconceived notions that aren’t challenged enough. It excludes teams that had historic seasons. And it devalues the actual on field results during the season.

If Alabama is really that good in 2024, then they shouldn’t have been dominated by a mediocre OU team and lost to Vandy. Also lost to a Tennessee team that was not at all special. If they were worthy, not all of that would have happened. They had their chance, couldn’t do it. Let someone else have a crack that had a historic season and lost fewer games.
 
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The debate comes down to best teams vs most deserving teams.

Going all in on the best teams argument leads to some problems. It locks in playoff spots based upon preconceived notions that aren’t challenged enough. It excludes teams that had historic seasons. And it devalues the actual on field results during the season.

If Alabama is really that good in 2024, then they shouldn’t have been dominated by a mediocre OU team and lost to Vandy. Also lost to a Tennessee team that was not at all special. If they were worthy, not all of that would have happened. They had their chance, couldn’t do it. Let someone else have a crack that had a historic season and lost fewer games.

ACC didn't deserve a single team in the playoff, and got 2.

Their conference champ got whooped 3 times by SEC teams.

Yes, the best team argument matters. When your conference is a complete shitshow like the ACC and B12 this year, you don't deserve an invite.

SMU's ceiling was 'hanging' with Clempson. Alabama's ceiling was beating the #2 seed in the tournament.
 
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The debate comes down to best teams vs most deserving teams.

Going all in on the best teams argument leads to some problems. It locks in playoff spots based upon preconceived notions that aren’t challenged enough. It excludes teams that had historic seasons. And it devalues the actual on field results during the season.

If Alabama is really that good in 2024, then they shouldn’t have been dominated by a mediocre OU team and lost to Vandy. Also lost to a Tennessee team that was not at all special. If they were worthy, not all of that would have happened. They had their chance, couldn’t do it. Let someone else have a crack that had a historic season and lost fewer games.
I’d have had Ole Miss ahead of them.

We are debating the last couple spots in the tournament. I’d prefer to give them to the better team for better opening match ups.

IU is showing all teams that beating nobody and having an easy schedule are good enough. This will be manipulated. We should not encourage this or we can kiss awesome non conf games goodbye.
 
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Dont get destroyed by a bad OU team and they are easily in. Bama has gotten the benefit of the doubt more than any team this past decade. Booo hoo they got left out like they should have. Go cope with Alabama Jones.
 
I’d have had Ole Miss ahead of them.

We are debating the last couple spots in the tournament. I’d prefer to give them to the better team for better opening match ups.

IU is showing all teams that beating nobody and having an easy schedule are good enough. This will be manipulated. We should not encourage this or we can kiss awesome non conf games goodbye.
I agree with you but you have to agree that SMU got the same benefit. The one decent team SMU played in the regular season was BYU at home and they lost. Then lost again vs Clemson.
 
I’d have had Ole Miss ahead of them.

We are debating the last couple spots in the tournament. I’d prefer to give them to the better team for better opening match ups.

IU is showing all teams that beating nobody and having an easy schedule are good enough. This will be manipulated. We should not encourage this or we can kiss awesome non conf games goodbye.
Stick drawing happy little trees.

IUs schedule before season started had them playing both teams from last year’s national championship game, @OSU. Schedule looked good on paper. You never know who’s gonna suck or not.
 
I agree with you but you have to agree that SMU got the same benefit. The one decent team SMU played in the regular season was BYU at home and they lost. Then lost again vs Clemson.
Same situation. 9-3 Ole Miss better than 10-2 SMU IMO
 
Indiana beat Michigan and Washington, the two teams in last year’s championship game. But they don’t get credit because those teams underwhelmed this season. Nobody else on their schedule, Nebraska included, rose up to be a challenging opponent.

But they went 11-1, and earned a shot in the conference championship game to prove their mettle against the best team in the conference. Except that didn’t happen. Somehow they were 1 of 3 teams to finish with 0 or 1 losses in the B1G, and was excluded from a quality win opportunity by tiebreaker.

This situation will not repeat, at least not by scheming or planning.
 
I agree with you but you have to agree that SMU got the same benefit. The one decent team SMU played in the regular season was BYU at home and they lost. Then lost again vs Clemson.
I’d make a similar argument for Texas per the season. If you got left out of the 12 it means you probably lost to a shitty team or two.

Also this - SEC plays 4 OOC games. Keep this is mind simps.
 
Alabama finished below Tennessee both in overall record and in the SEC.

2024 Alabama < 2024 Tennessee.

I hate Indiana. And enjoyed watching their ass kicking.

But if that ass kicking = "didn't belong in the playoffs", then Tennessee didn't belong in the playoffs, because they got twice the ass beating that Indiana did. And 2024 Tennessee is above 2024 Alabama in any bowl or playoff pecking order.

Arguing that Indiana's ass kicking somehow meant that Alabama should have been in is an inconsistent one (at best).

Arguing that Indiana's ass kicking -- coupled with the other first round ass kickings -- should mean the playoffs should be limited to 8 teams is a decent one.
 
Alabama finished below Tennessee both in overall record and in the SEC.

2024 Alabama < 2024 Tennessee.

I hate Indiana. And enjoyed watching their ass kicking.

But if that ass kicking = "didn't belong in the playoffs", then Tennessee didn't belong in the playoffs, because they got twice the ass beating that Indiana did. And 2024 Tennessee is above 2024 Alabama in any bowl or playoff pecking order.

Arguing that Indiana's ass kicking somehow meant that Alabama should have been in is an inconsistent one (at best).

Arguing that Indiana's ass kicking -- coupled with the other first round ass kickingd -- should mean the playoffs should be limited to 8 teams is a decent one.
I agree completely. Not only Bama but Ole Miss and its coach…I didn’t see any complaints from him about the Tennessee game being boring like he ran his mouth about during the Indiana game. He’d be upset about a 16 team playoff that featured 12 SEC teams.
 
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