Chinander

[Skerz4Life50]

Against southern Florida and Memphis... 2 of the top 7 offensive teams in the nation?

Edit: I guess as long as we don’t face top 10 offenses, we should be fine.

To preface I think Chinander’s defense will be fine and we will be average (similar to UCF last year), which is still a major improvement. I just don’t think we have the right guys on the team to be good and do everything required for his defense to truly be successful. Also, we will only play 3 teams that were in the top 50 in scoring offense last year (if I counted correctly).

But having said that, wouldn’t you want to judge his defense off of how it played against the best offenses? I mean it doesn’t prove much when you are shutting down terrible offenses, right? I mean we are basing our ideas that our offense will be great off of SF’s success in his past and specifically having the number 1 scoring offense last year. But outside of Auburn who they had 1 month to prepare for, they faced only 1 top 50 defense (USF at 41). So you could argue that they should’ve scored a ton of points because they played against terrible defenses.

 

[rgrachek]

Against southern Florida and Memphis... 2 of the top 7 offensive teams in the nation?

Edit: I guess as long as we don’t face top 10 offenses, we should be fine.

Come on man, would either of those teams be in the top 7 in offense if they played in a B10 or SEC?

 

[rgrachek]

To preface I think Chinander’s defense will be fine and we will be average (similar to UCF last year), which is still a major improvement. I just don’t think we have the right guys on the team to be good and do everything required for his defense to truly be successful. Also, we will only play 3 teams that were in the top 50 in scoring offense last year (if I counted correctly).

But having said that, wouldn’t you want to judge his defense off of how it played against the best offenses? I mean it doesn’t prove much when you are shutting down terrible offenses, right? I mean we are basing our ideas that our offense will be great off of SF’s success in his past and specifically having the number 1 scoring offense last year. But outside of Auburn who they had 1 month to prepare for, they faced only 1 top 50 defense (USF at 41). So you could argue that they should’ve scored a ton of points because they played against terrible defenses.

Honestly, the national rankings of offense and defense mean nothing because the teams don't play similar schedules. UCF would not have had the #1 offense in the country playing in a P5 conference with 9-10 P5 teams on the schedule.

 

[timnsun]

Come on man, would either of those teams be in the top 7 in offense if they played in a B10 or SEC?

Of course not, but that doesn’t mean they were lousy offenses either.

UCF defense did their job last year. Average margin of victory over the season was 23 points per game. That includes the final 3 games which were each decided by a td. They also got something like 31 takeaways. I know the schedule wasn’t a B1G or SEC caliber schedule, but the defense got the job done.

It remains to be seen what Chin will do here, but I don’t think we should assume he isn’t going to cut it yet either.

 

[Pennsyhusker]

The rules of modern day college football favor the offenses. That is to make the games more exciting and viewer friendly. Very few people like watching 6-3 slugfests. Therefore, there is not a defense in America that doesn't have a few games a year where they give up a lot of points to the really potent offenses they play. Even Alabama's great defense had its games where it allowed more points than I am sure Alabama fans are comfortable with.

To me ... the real test of Chinander's qualities as a defensive coach will come against our lesser opponents. Last year you could say our defense truly sucked from the opening game on because they gave up yards and points to even the most hapless offenses they played. What I am looking for this year is for the defense to play much, much better against those weaker teams, and to be competitive against the better teams.

 

[rgrachek]

Of course not, but that doesn’t mean they were lousy offenses either.

UCF defense did their job last year. Average margin of victory over the season was 23 points per game. That includes the final 3 games which were each decided by a td. They also got something like 31 takeaways. I know the schedule wasn’t a B1G or SEC caliber schedule, but the defense got the job done.

It remains to be seen what Chin will do here, but I don’t think we should assume he isn’t going to cut it yet either.

I don't think anyone assumes he's not going to cut it. I just wonder after the last 4 coaches bringing in really subpar DCs, whether trying to hit a home run on the defensive side of the ball too might have been better than just bringing on the whole UCF defensive staff.

I guess time will tell, but if Riley had been retained and he had cleaned house with his defensive staff, then brought in this defensive staff, most on the RSS would be apoplectic.

 

[F5Tornado]

The rules of modern day college football favor the offenses. That is to make the games more exciting and viewer friendly. Very few people like watching 6-3 slugfests. Therefore, there is not a defense in America that doesn't have a few games a year where they give up a lot of points to the really potent offenses they play. Even Alabama's great defense had its games where it allowed more points than I am sure Alabama fans are comfortable with.

To me ... the real test of Chinander's qualities as a defensive coach will come against our lesser opponents. Last year you could say our defense truly sucked from the opening game on because they gave up yards and points to even the most hapless offenses they played. What I am looking for this year is for the defense to play much, much better against those weaker teams, and to be competitive against the better teams.

Remember that Nebraska-Missouri slugfest in 1981? 6-0 Huskers and it was a helluva game.

 

[rgrachek]

The rules of modern day college football favor the offenses. That is to make the games more exciting and viewer friendly. Very few people like watching 6-3 slugfests. Therefore, there is not a defense in America that doesn't have a few games a year where they give up a lot of points to the really potent offenses they play. Even Alabama's great defense had its games where it allowed more points than I am sure Alabama fans are comfortable with.

To me ... the real test of Chinander's qualities as a defensive coach will come against our lesser opponents. Last year you could say our defense truly sucked from the opening game on because they gave up yards and points to even the most hapless offenses they played. What I am looking for this year is for the defense to play much, much better against those weaker teams, and to be competitive against the better teams.

THIS^ If we get done with Akron, Colorado, and Troy and our defense has given up around 250 ypg and 10-14 ppg, I'll be convinced. But if it's 400 ypg and 24-31 ppg, we're in big trouble, as we'll know that our athletes are still underachieving, even if we win all three.

 

[Pennsyhusker]

Remember that Nebraska-Missouri slugfest in 1981? 6-0 Huskers and it was a helluva game.

I do remember. We scored with very little time left in the 4th.

 

[k9_r]

Remember that Nebraska-Missouri slugfest in 1981? 6-0 Huskers and it was a helluva game.

Much more recent - 2009, OU, 10-3 win. Helluva game.

 

[rgrachek]

Much more recent - 2009, OU, 10-3 win. Helluva game.

1978 OU, 17-14. Biggest win in the history of the program that didn't result in a NC. Out of the starting 22, outside of George Andrews, Junior Miller, Kelly Saalfeld, Rod Horn, and Kelvin Clark, OU was more talented at every other position, including kicker and punter.

Billy Simms, David Overstreet, Kenny King, all in the same backfield. It was almost like USA beating the USSR in hockey in 1980. If the game had been turnover free, OU would have won 35-7.

 

[timnsun]

I was only seven for this game, a little too early for me to remember. I know Oklahoma was the better team and turn the ball over seven times or so… How did we keep the game so close in the Orange bowl against them? I think we only lost by one touchdown if I remember the score correctly…

 

[otismotis08]

I love a good defensive slugfest just as much (or more) than a shootout.

It takes a different level of game appreciation that the casual observer often misses.

 

[saluno22]

I was only seven for this game, a little too early for me to remember. I know Oklahoma was the better team and turn the ball over seven times or so… How did we keep the game so close in the Orange bowl against them? I think we only lost by one touchdown if I remember the score correctly…

The 1979 Orange Bowl rematch was 31-10 OU going into the 4th quarter. Final score (31-24) made it appear closer.

 

[k9_r]

1978 OU, 17-14. Biggest win in the history of the program that didn't result in a NC. Out of the starting 22, outside of George Andrews, Junior Miller, Kelly Saalfeld, Rod Horn, and Kelvin Clark, OU was more talented at every other position, including kicker and punter.

Billy Simms, David Overstreet, Kenny King, all in the same backfield. It was almost like USA beating the USSR in hockey in 1980. If the game had been turnover free, OU would have won 35-7.

Thanks for the memory (sorta). Thinking of that game always reminds me of the very next week and the loss to Missouri. Biggest gut punch loss in my memory.

 

[Bugeater]

1978 OU, 17-14. Biggest win in the history of the program that didn't result in a NC. Out of the starting 22, outside of George Andrews, Junior Miller, Kelly Saalfeld, Rod Horn, and Kelvin Clark, OU was more talented at every other position, including kicker and punter.

Billy Simms, David Overstreet, Kenny King, all in the same backfield. It was almost like USA beating the USSR in hockey in 1980. If the game had been turnover free, OU would have won 35-7.

Oklahoma hadn’t been hit like that all year, there’s a reason they fumbled so many times. OU was the best team in the country for the year, but not that day.

 

[oldjar07]

Idk was Nebraska not getting their ass handed to them by Washington the second time not motivation enough?

Except for the CFP, bowl games are glorified exhibitions. Auburn wins nothing except a meaningless game against UCF with a victory. You see it every year, a team is simply more motivated to play the bowl game.

To deny that UCF had more to play for in that game is just silly. They had an undefeated season on the line, they had a coach on the way out, who they wanted to send out a winner.

But you keep thinking it’s about some sort of pride, when in reality, it’s just an exhibition.

Maybe we should have been motivated to play that game. We were having a pretty damn good year up to that point, and even though there were some close losses previously, that game stunk up the whole season. Not to mention that Bo would have gotten over the 9 or 10 win hump with a win there.

 

[bmb81664]

I was only seven for this game, a little too early for me to remember. I know Oklahoma was the better team and turn the ball over seven times or so… How did we keep the game so close in the Orange bowl against them? I think we only lost by one touchdown if I remember the score correctly…

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

Maybe we should have been motivated to play that game. We were having a pretty damn good year up to that point, and even though there were some close losses previously, that game stunk up the whole season. Not to mention that Bo would have gotten over the 9 or 10 win hump with a win there.

Maybe, but we weren't. We lost a close conference championship game to OU, where we outplayed them and lost a chance to play in the Fiesta Bowl. Anything less than the Fiesta Bowl was a disappointment. That is what it is. Point is, Auburn was one win away from playing in the CFP, anything less would have been a disappointment.

 

[husker2612]

With all due respect, this take is absolutely moronic and I wish it would just go away. Every year its the cute thing to say about someone and its lying at worst, completely unprovable at best, but always false regardless.

Always false? do you have stats to back that claim up?