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Somehow Tuco, I suspect people will far better embrace 45 - 35 games than losses like 56 - 14, 54 - 21, 56 - 14 and so on. Several games last year could have been way, wayyyyy worse if the opponents didn't play their water-boys in the 2nd half. We can hardly do worse on either side of the ball.
I love it when people say that “oh it would have been worse had they not subbed in there 2nd and 3rd teams”...isn’t that what most and all teams do that have a solid or big lead in the second half?? That can be true for any blow out game, not just ours. One way or another, I could give a shit less. The score doesn’t change or care either because of it. Guess what, they didn’t try running up the score and keeping there’s 1s in all game. So it makes no difference what so ever.
Now I agree with you on Frosts offense. He’s not going to suddenly run the wish bone, I formations, pro set and all the super run heavy like some of you Husker fans hope they will. He’s going to run his offense his way, and the way he knows how. If he adapts anything, it will be to mold itself around a certain QB...let’s say Gebbia wins the QB race this year...he MIGHT hold back a little more on the QB design runs compared to what he’d run with Martinez or Bunch. And this is just my guess...I have no clue honestly. But that will be it, his offense will not change because of the BIG10, believe that.
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Who said anything about worse than last year? No one is comparing this year to last year. This is simply a discussion about style of play, schemes and philosophy. You are trying too hard to take what I say as a negative towards the staff. That is nothe case. If you look at what Scott Frost‘s offense looks like using the past five years as a sample, it more closely resembles “basketball on grass” A notion that this fan base used to despise and to make fun of and say wouldn’t work at Nebraska. From reading comments on this board and others there is still the believe that Scott Frost is going to make drastic changes to what he does offensively to adjust to the Big Ten style. As Nikki six points out, the defensive statistics will look drastically different than what the typical Nebraska fan would consider to be good. That’s it. Nothing more.
I don't think so. NU must be able to run the damn ball or we'll just continue to lose and lose. Also, the Big10 is a totally different animal than the AAC.
Ok, fair enough Tuco.
Yes, an attacking defense does have its cost but we've seen the results of a passive defense.....correct? Yes, last year wasn't a conventional defense but never-the-less Nikki is off the money imo. The blackshirts will not give up TDs easily at all....somewhat more than conventional NU defenses but not a lot......they'll be aggressive and let the chips fall where they may. I have no problem with that what-so-ever "and" I think our front seven will usually stop the run (which is critical in the Big10) "and" get more turnovers than the conventional NU defense. That's quite possibly not a bad deal Tuco.
We'll see compadre'.....it's right around the corner.
GBR!!
Ok. Not to belabor the point but what I hear you saying is more of a defense of the schemes. I personally am not “attacking” the schemes. I think they will be successful in the Big Ten. I am just saying that, going forward, Nebraska football will not resemble traditional Nebraska football and that some in the fan base will look on in shock when the defense is giving up 35 points in a win. They will look at that and say that’s bad defense.Ok, fair enough Tuco.
Yes, an attacking defense does have its cost but we've seen the results of a passive defense.....correct? Yes, last year wasn't a conventional defense but never-the-less Nikki is off the money imo. The blackshirts will not give up TDs easily at all....somewhat more than conventional NU defenses but not a lot......they'll be aggressive and let the chips fall where they may. I have no problem with that what-so-ever "and" I think our front seven will usually stop the run (which is critical in the Big10) "and" get more turnovers than the conventional NU defense. That's quite possibly not a bad deal Tuco.
We'll see compadre'.....it's right around the corner.
GBR!!
People do it all the time. They looked at the score of the Alabama/ Clemson national title and would say things like, those defenses aren’t that good. When they were 2 of the top defenses in the country.
My discussion, in this thread, is all about fan perception. There will be some fans that won’t understand what they see.
You realize they played 11 straight weeks IIRC. That can't be easy for any team, especially a D that has an offense that scores every 40 seconds.
Sure in the straight fact that they either happen or don't. But the WHY they happen is a difference. If you make no ATTEMPTS to dislodge the ball from a receiver or other carrier with your helmet or fist you will surely have less turnovers just waiting for them to be careless and gift you a turnover.
Personally my favorite thing wasn't intercepting a ball and running it in for 6, it was knocking the darn ball out of someone's hands with a hit. THAT was fun! And it wasn't waiting for someone to screw up, I had input on the situation.
Now if you can instill that into your DBs and LBs, you will most likely end up with more turnovers. That can be a HUGE difference.
Well I don't know about everything, but everything having to do with Nebraska for sure. lol
I know many people use the Auburn game as comparison. Especially for the Defense. I think it has to be taken with a grain of salt. Auburn had absolutely nothing to play for. They had their hearts set on the NC. UCF had everything, they had the whole country doubting them, they had the whole country saying they didn't deserve to be in the NC talk. They had their coach leaving. They wanted to put on a show and prove everyone wrong and they did. I just don't think Auburn had the desire to put up much of a fight.
Very true, However, I do think you are going to start hearing some rumblings if our D gets in the habit of letting teams consistently put up 30+ points on us. Win or not.
Perhaps this was mentioned in prior posts but at present I have grave concerns about our inside LB play. I’m sure coaching matters but at this position you need instinctive football players and I just haven’t seen that out of young and Barry. Perhaps Honas will fit the mold. You read how lost at times David was out there as far as scheme was concerned but none the less he just made plays.
Young and Barry look the part but I’m just not sure they are football players. The good inside LBs just have a knack for finding the ball and making plays and I just haven’t seen this from those 2. Maybe they were hampered by the line in front of them and I will be pleasantly surprised this year
Young and Barry look the part but I’m just not sure they are football players. The good inside LBs just have a knack for finding the ball and making plays and I just haven’t seen this from those 2. Maybe they were hampered by the line in front of them and I will be pleasantly surprised this year
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That was last year with poor coaching and a shitty scheme. It's 2018, new and far better coaches and coaching which is light years better than the previous staff and a new scheme. Frost and co have seen the best passing games there are in FBS, This conference has nowhere near the Passing Offense juggernaughts that Chinander coached against the past couple of years. I think the Blackshirts are gonna eat Passing O's for lunch in this conference. End of story. I also think we will be pretty stout against the run as well. I'm calling my shot here, The Blackshirts this year or until the Offense gets it's footing with be the strength of this Husker team!
You have to know how much this sounds like excuse making, right?
First, Auburn lost two regular season games (Clemson & LSU) which put a big ding in their reputation vis-a-vis a NC. This ding was then justified by the result in the SEC CCG (lost 28-7). They never were a NC caliber team in spite of their dreams.
Second, they did actually play fast and furious in the 2nd half with UCF. No doubt they thought they had the game in hand and would pull away from the Knights. Never happened of course but Auburn gave max effort in that 2nd half.
If Auburn didn't care about playing in a major bowl game that's their own damn fault. That isn't anything but a chicken shit excuse.
I've dogged on both of those players a lot the past couple of years, but I think they will be much improved this year. Frost has specifically said good things about them and said they've been impressive so far.
UCF had just as many excuses not to play in that game. They were left out of the playoffs. Their coach was leaving, what reason did they have to continue playing for him? The whole country didn't think they'd win that game so what reason did they have for trying?
The excuse making for bowl games needs to stop. You only get 12-14 games a year. If you can't get motivated to play against a good opponent at the end of the year, the last game of the year, I don't know how you could even call yourself a football player.
If Auburn has won that game, it would have been treated just like Wisconsin’s win over RTB and WMU and all the other P5 schools who won against group of 6 schools. It was expected. There is no motivation.
Regardless of the losses on their record, heading into the SEC championship game, Auburn was in the top 4 and assured of a shot at the CFP with a victory over UGa. To believe otherwise is just plain certifiable.
Regardless of the losses on their record, heading into the SEC championship game, Auburn was in the top 4 and assured of a shot at the CFP with a victory over UGa. To believe otherwise is just plain certifiable.
I for one won't care one iota as long as they are competing, trying their best, and even winning those shootouts in your 45-35 example..
Agree. They did very little well so they should not remember it.
I don't either, but aren't we talking about fans complaining about the defense and Chinander when the scores are that high?
There will always be some fans who complain about almost everything. For example, a lot of the fans in the Callahan-Pelini-Riley era were complaining that we did not run the ball enough. It even became a joke on here: "run the damn ball!". But we can all also remember that Osborne's offenses (pre-1993) were criticized for not passing the ball enough. I remember fans yelling "pass the damn ball" when Osborne would run a fullback trap on third and five.
So I assume that in this thread, where we are debating what the fan reaction will be if we get into a lot of shoot-out type games, that we are not talking about the usual gaggle of loud mouth know-it-alls (who are a minority), but rather about a significant portion of our mainstream fan base.
My gut is telling me it depends on how many such games we get into and how many of them we win. I think most of our fans are knowledgeable enough to know that a hurry-up fast paced offense puts the defense under more pressure. They are also smart enough to discern when we are playing a team with a potent offense and to be able to distinguish that from Rutgers. lol. So I think they will understand those 45-35 type games so long as we are the winners. If we start losing a bunch of those games then I agree that the pitchfork brigade will be out for Chinander's head. Especially if we start giving up big yards and points to the lesser opponents.
Bowl game excuse making is all this is. It is better to just take games at face value instead of reading tea leaves. Auburn had no more or less "motivation" than UCF. They got beat on the field by the better team that day. Anything else is just a bunch of whiny excuse making.
Exactly! They went from the mentality of " we are going to make the playoff, and have a shot at a NC" to "we have to play UCF a non power 5 school" I doubt they had the same motivation in the 2 options. Im sorry a bowl win against a top 10 school a regular season win vs a top 10 school are not the same.
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Would you consider at least one exception?
Our '71 win over OU >>>>>>>>>> than our subsequent win over Bama in the bowl game.
The 71 bowl meant something because they were basically playing for a NC. It was the equivalent to playing in the playoff now. Auburn playing UCF 2018 is nothing in comparison to Neb playing Bama. 1971
Because of the difference in the quality of the two teams (NU and Bama) that game and the NC were pretty much a forgone conclusion.
That year the national championship was effectively decided in Norman.
There are a lot of people who are concerned with how the UCF defense played at the end of last season and how it translates to us this fall.
Against southern Florida and Memphis... 2 of the top 7 offensive teams in the nation?
Edit: I guess as long as we don’t face top 10 offenses, we should be fine.
Disagree...if auburn would have won we would have heard about how invincible the SEC is, how they beat an undefeated UCF team and the SEC is the best conference and the championship should have been between 3 sec teams or maybe 6...maybe just a playoff for the sec determines the champion. But UCF beat the only team to beat alabama and the only reporting was how cute UCF was and how they think they are as good as alabama, instead of maybe the SEC is garbage at the bottom, they get to play a trash team late in the season plus late season byes and are therefore rested for the last stretch, and maybe they aren't that great is UCF can handle one of their best teams.
With all due respect, this take is absolutely moronic and I wish it would just go away. Every year its the cute thing to say about someone and its lying at worst, completely unprovable at best, but always false regardless.
How about not getting their asses handed to them by a mid-major team. Isn't that enough motivation?
Idk was Nebraska not getting their ass handed to them by Washington the second time not motivation enough?
Except for the CFP, bowl games are glorified exhibitions. Auburn wins nothing except a meaningless game against UCF with a victory. You see it every year, a team is simply more motivated to play the bowl game.
To deny that UCF had more to play for in that game is just silly. They had an undefeated season on the line, they had a coach on the way out, who they wanted to send out a winner.
But you keep thinking it’s about some sort of pride, when in reality, it’s just an exhibition.
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