Be patient please

[chicolby]

Did you know only two years ago Temple was 2-10 and looked clueless. They are sitting at 7-1 with a late loss to Notre Dame last night.

Alabama was 7-6 in Saban's first season.

Stanford was 4-8 in Harbaugh's first season.

I'm not happy with 3-6. This last loss was extremely frustrating and it should be to everyone. But a coaching staff needs time to implement a culture and players and system. Of course there is no guarantee that this staff gets it done. But there's no guarantee that a poor first season means they won't.

Be patient and support this team. It will be much sweeter when things turn around by saying you supported the vision even during the low years.

 

[MAG]

I can be patient but there is no excuse to losing to a 1-6 football team that's been struggling mightily at stopping the run. What does NU do? They come out throwing the ball with a backup QB. Run the ball the 49 times instead of throwing 49 times and NU wins going away. This is on the coaches and team leadership. Nebraska came out of the lockeroom after halftime and Purdue on their first offensive series went right down the field on that NU defense and scored a TD. Basically zero resistance. This game was painful to watch.

 

[Bay_Area_Husker]

pa·tience
ˈpāSHəns/
noun

1. 1.
   the capacity to accept or tolerate delay, trouble, or suffering without getting angry or upset.
   
   
   I'm out of patience. I don't accept the historically horrific product on the field this season. I'm angry and upset by arguments suggesting that I should grin and bear more of this for 3-4 additional years. I'm having difficulty watching the true death of Nebraska football.

 

[chicolby]

So despite evidence that suggests a coach needs 2 - 3 years to implement their system and culture to reap the benefits, you want instant success.

Temple should have fired their coach after 2-10 by your premise.

Bama should have fired Saban by your premise.

We were fooled by the smoke and mirrors 9 win seasons by Pelini. I give him credit for clawing out those 9 wins each year, but the foundation had cracks and they are now showing today.

"the true death of Nebraska football" is a bit extreme, but if you think that's indeed what you're seeing, then I suggest you cheer for Ohio State or Alabama. The other 125 teams have also experienced "death" already.

 

[Hawkdogwoof]

There are also plenty of coaches that came into bad situations and turned the team around immediately. Florida and Michigan this year, Notre Dame a few years ago and Stoops at Oklahoma several years ago etc... You can spin it any way you want to.

 

[leodisflowers]

Did you know only two years ago Temple was 2-10 and looked clueless. They are sitting at 7-1 with a late loss to Notre Dame last night.

Alabama was 7-6 in Saban's first season.

Stanford was 4-8 in Harbaugh's first season.

I'm not happy with 3-6. This last loss was extremely frustrating and it should be to everyone. But a coaching staff needs time to implement a culture and players and system. Of course there is no guarantee that this staff gets it done. But there's no guarantee that a poor first season means they won't.

Be patient and support this team. It will be much sweeter when things turn around by saying you supported the vision even during the low years.

The only thing I would say as I somewhat agree is that you mentioned Harbaugh and Saban... Riley is nowhere near the coach those two are. The Temple guy is doing a good job so far, but it's also Temple where you don't have quite the conference grind as a Power 5 school.

 

[tarheelhusker]

We'e no other choice but to be patient.
I didn't see or hear the game, (traveling) but when the offense scores 45 points we should win. When the defense allows 55...the defense must be atrocious. I know we had turnovers, but 55 pets. to the Boilermakers?

 

[romaman]

So despite evidence that suggests a coach needs 2 - 3 years to implement their system and culture to reap the benefits, you want instant success.

Temple should have fired their coach after 2-10 by your premise.

Bama should have fired Saban by your premise.

We were fooled by the smoke and mirrors 9 win seasons by Pelini. I give him credit for clawing out those 9 wins each year, but the foundation had cracks and they are now showing today.

"the true death of Nebraska football" is a bit extreme, but if you think that's indeed what you're seeing, then I suggest you cheer for Ohio State or Alabama. The other 125 teams have also experienced "death" already.

Why, because the poster is honest in what he sees from Reilly and his staff. I think what will bring around the death of Nebraska football is keeping this staff for another 2-3 years. I hope I am wrong, but I watch and have enough knowledge of college football to know when a staff is not going to work out and Reilly unwillingness to fire his buddies just like Callahan will be his own undoing. I called it, when Miami hired Golden. My buddy is a huge Miami fan and after the first year under Golden that he wasn't the guy to bring them back to the national stage, like another Pelini 9-10 win coach.

 

[romaman]

There are also plenty of coaches that came into bad situations and turned the team around immediately. Florida and Michigan this year, Notre Dame a few years ago and Stoops at Oklahoma several years ago etc... You can spin it any way you want to.

I have agree with you, hell even Pelini had better success in his first year at Nebraska. Yes, Callahan brought in more talent for Pelini to work with, but Purdue and Illinois please. I am just not going to stick my head in the sand on the coaching hire like I did with Pelini, because I was so displeased with Callahan.

 

[The Mean Farmer]

In those first years did their team look soft, weak, unathletic, tired, unmotivated, undisciplined?
Did the coaches in the sidelines managed the clock and game properly?


This isn't going the same direction as any of the examples you mentioned

 

[SC_'sker]

Terrible hire. I had enough of the kool-aid to be convinced that it was a good hire in the offseason, but the results on the field speak for themselves. At a minimum, all of the assistant coaches (except for Bray, Langs, and Williams) need to take a hike. If Riley shakes up the staff I think more fans will be willing to exercise patience.

 

[B1G RED RULES]

Did you know only two years ago Temple was 2-10 and looked clueless. They are sitting at 7-1 with a late loss to Notre Dame last night.

Alabama was 7-6 in Saban's first season.

Stanford was 4-8 in Harbaugh's first season.

I'm not happy with 3-6. This last loss was extremely frustrating and it should be to everyone. But a coaching staff needs time to implement a culture and players and system. Of course there is no guarantee that this staff gets it done. But there's no guarantee that a poor first season means they won't.

Be patient and support this team. It will be much sweeter when things turn around by saying you supported the vision even during the low years.

C'mon, really? Let's not compare Riley to a couple of guys who had outstanding success at previous jobs and one just getting started. You can endure disappointment when your coach had big time success in previous programs. What level of success has Riley ever accomplished coaching?

 

[Bay_Area_Husker]

So despite evidence that suggests a coach needs 2 - 3 years to implement their system and culture to reap the benefits, you want instant success.

Temple should have fired their coach after 2-10 by your premise.

Bama should have fired Saban by your premise.

We were fooled by the smoke and mirrors 9 win seasons by Pelini. I give him credit for clawing out those 9 wins each year, but the foundation had cracks and they are now showing today.

"the true death of Nebraska football" is a bit extreme, but if you think that's indeed what you're seeing, then I suggest you cheer for Ohio State or Alabama. The other 125 teams have also experienced "death" already.

Stanford season ticket holder for many years. Saw every home game Harbaugh coached at Stanford. He and Riley are nowhere near comparable in demeanor, intelligence, inspiration, or achievements.

Who cares about Temple. They have the luxury of being patient. We don't.

I don't use the phrase "death of Nebraska football" lightly, but I can't help but think we are seeing it right now. The abnormality of Nebraska isn't that we aren't a powerhouse now, but rather that we were a powerhouse for so long, despite so many disadvantages.

 

[sgall77]

Did you know only two years ago Temple was 2-10 and looked clueless. They are sitting at 7-1 with a late loss to Notre Dame last night.

Alabama was 7-6 in Saban's first season.

Stanford was 4-8 in Harbaugh's first season.

I'm not happy with 3-6. This last loss was extremely frustrating and it should be to everyone. But a coaching staff needs time to implement a culture and players and system. Of course there is no guarantee that this staff gets it done. But there's no guarantee that a poor first season means they won't.

Be patient and support this team. It will be much sweeter when things turn around by saying you supported the vision even during the low years.

You forgot to mention Stanford had 1 win the season before Harbaugh arrived. As for Saban and Alabama, 0 wins the season before Saban arrived. My point, there was instant progress made not regress.

 

[CameronKrazie86]

If Nebraska were 3-6 but showing real, tangible improvement every game but just not being talented enough to finish it off, that'd be one thing. But aside from Tommy Armstrong's play and the improved rush defense, I'm not sure where else you could point to a dramatic improvement. The team does not look any better from game one to game nine and if anything looks worse. That is what is most frustrating.

 

[HuskerLegion]

One thing that really made me think this staff will not get it done is their game planning. They go on the road with a backup qb and throw it all over the place against the worst run d in the big ten. How dumb do you have to be to do that? 4 picks by that qb. No O line rotation even though the starters at times were getting whipped. I understand they have a lot of talent issues but they are causing those problems to be so much more glaring with their coaching decisions. Why should we stay with this for 2 to 3 more years?

 

[elvis1403]

Did you know only two years ago Temple was 2-10 and looked clueless. They are sitting at 7-1 with a late loss to Notre Dame last night.

Alabama was 7-6 in Saban's first season.

Stanford was 4-8 in Harbaugh's first season.

I'm not happy with 3-6. This last loss was extremely frustrating and it should be to everyone. But a coaching staff needs time to implement a culture and players and system. Of course there is no guarantee that this staff gets it done. But there's no guarantee that a poor first season means they won't.

Be patient and support this team. It will be much sweeter when things turn around by saying you supported the vision even during the low years.

So maybe we need to hire temples or dukes coach if their system holds up which I doubt.

 

[gldnglv165]

Bill Belichick went 5-11 in his first year at New England. Once we get Tom Brady in, we will start winning Super Bowls every year.

 

[RealHusker]

Well, you're in luck - none of us here are involved in the hiring/firing decision making, so we won't be firing Mike Riley today. In fact, he's likely to be back next year, too.

However, if you expect fans on a message board to simply say "aw shucks, we lost to Purdue", then you're being more than a little naive. The Nebraska football team is awful. This is the worst team the vast majority of living fans have ever seen. Worst by a huge margin. Awww, shucks.

I'm sure no one's worst case scenario involved what we have seen this year. There were bound to be disconnects and growing pains with a coaching transition. Those things might even result in a disjointed effort against BYU that ends ins a fluky loss....or a team wholly unprepared to play their first road game. But no one's worst case scenario included being outplayed and beaten by sad sack programs like Illinois and Purdue...or the inability to play even remotely sound football at home against extremely beatable NW and UW teams. Basically, Nebraska now has all of negatives of a Bo Pelini coached team without any of the positives.

We've seen one good football game played in 9 tries by this team. Is that really an outcome that fit within even the most conservative of expectations? Does that really not warrant some serious scrutiny about the coaching staff. Especially when the new coach was getting pressure at Oregon State (!) to make changes - including dumping the D.C. who is now in that position at Nebraska? And, when the coach was hired with nary an exploration of any other viable candidates?

We all hope that Riley will turn this mess around. Maybe the recruiting really will improve and everything will fall beautifully into place. But can you blame anyone for feeling like we are on the edge of a cliff with no lifeline in sight? This, right now, has many of the earmarks of a pending, epic disaster.

 

[Gimmered]

We really don't have much of a voice in this so my patience really doesn't matter to anyone but me. It only affects how I feel. But I will ask you this. Are we a better team now than at the start of the year? Are our players developing? Are our lines improving? Our DBs? Where have we gotten better? I'd say no to all of these. We are not getting better we are regressing.
If a coaching staff can't make a team better in 9 games, how can they make it better in 2 years? If players regress in 9 games instead of improving that shows a fundamental problem in the coaching staff.

This staff does not deserve more time. They'll likely get it but they don't deserve it.

 

[bigbadjim990]

I think your asking for apathy. Not gonna happen.

 

[HuskerLegion]

We really don't have much of a voice in this so my patience really doesn't matter to anyone but me. It only affects how I feel. But I will ask you this. Are we a better team now than at the start of the year? Are our players developing? Are our lines improving? Our DBs? Where have we gotten better? I'd say no to all of these. We are not getting better we are regressing.
If a coaching staff can't make a team better in 9 games, how can they make it better in 2 years? If players regress in 9 games instead of improving that shows a fundamental problem in the coaching staff.

This staff does not deserve more time. They'll likely get it but they don't deserve it.

Yep.

 

[janne]

Right now, the most likely final record is 4-8. I'm sure that there are some cases where a first year coach regressed 5 wins from the previous year and went on to have good success, but none come to mind and I think it is a pretty short list, especially in the last 20-30 years.

Part of that is coaching and part is momentum. Once a coach loses the momentum in win total or at least expectations of improvement, it is harder to motivate the team and harder to recruit. That doesn't mean that Riley is doomed, but it does make the job more difficult.

 

[RealHusker]

Right now, the most likely final record is 4-8. I'm sure that there are some cases where a first year coach regressed 5 wins from the previous year and went on to have good success, but none come to mind and I think it is a pretty short list, especially in the last 20-30 years.

Part of that is coaching and part is momentum. Once a coach loses the momentum in win total or at least expectations of improvement, it is harder to motivate the team and harder to recruit. That doesn't mean that Riley is doomed, but it does make the job more difficult.

Where will the 4th win come from?

 

[scotthawk1964]

Losing is hard to stomach, but Riley is playing with Bo's recruits, they always say you have to give a coach 3 years to evaluate his coaching. I also understand the fans not understanding this hire to begin with. The majority of Hawkeye fans wanted Ferentz fired after last year, and had that happened, I can say I would not have bee excited if Iowa had hired Riley, based on his record at Oregon State. Now that Riley is at Nebby, I think you should support him, at least till his third season. Of course, if he does not work out, look how long Michigan was on the mat after the Rich Rod and Brady disasters. I worry about that happening when KF leaves Iowa.

 

[janne]

Where will the 4th win come from?

We will be favored at Rutgers. Certainly not a given, but just going by where Vegas will be on the last 3.

 

[RedSea]

Be patient and support this team. It will be much sweeter when things turn around by saying you supported the vision even during the low years.

I don't have any choice but to support my team; it's the only team I've got. But for me it won't be "sweeter" to know I "supported the vision" (what is Riley's vision by the way?) "even during the low years." I didn't want any "low years." I especially didn't want to go 4-8 or 3-9, have the worst season since Jennings, and finish last in our division. Are some low years part of the vision?

 

[RealHusker]

Losing is hard to stomach, but Riley is playing with Bo's recruits, they always say you have to give a coach 3 years to evaluate his coaching. I also understand the fans not understanding this hire to begin with. The majority of Hawkeye fans wanted Ferentz fired after last year, and had that happened, I can say I would not have bee excited if Iowa had hired Riley, based on his record at Oregon State. Now that Riley is at Nebby, I think you should support him, at least till his third season. Of course, if he does not work out, look how long Michigan was on the mat after the Rich Rod and Brady disasters. I worry about that happening when KF leaves Iowa.

I imagine fans of every other B1G school share this sentiment - they want to see this staff in Lincoln for a loooonnnnng time.

 

[SEMO_yogi]

Did you know only two years ago Temple was 2-10 and looked clueless. They are sitting at 7-1 with a late loss to Notre Dame last night.

Alabama was 7-6 in Saban's first season.

Stanford was 4-8 in Harbaugh's first season.

I'm not happy with 3-6. This last loss was extremely frustrating and it should be to everyone. But a coaching staff needs time to implement a culture and players and system. Of course there is no guarantee that this staff gets it done. But there's no guarantee that a poor first season means they won't.

Be patient and support this team. It will be much sweeter when things turn around by saying you supported the vision even during the low years.

ROTFLMAO...stop it, you're killing me!!!!

 

[ExxHusker]

Terrible hire..At a minimum, all of the assistant coaches (except for Bray, Langs, and Williams) need to take a hike. If Riley shakes up the staff I think more fans will be willing to exercise patience.

This is the root of the problem. I believe Riley is lazy and if he had to merge new blood in coordinator positions he wouldn't have his trained puppet/yes men to make his existence comfortable. He definitely doesn't want to get out of his comfort zone or he would be using this teams talents in a more effective way. The Beavers were getting wise to this. Which answers the question of why he chose to leave when he did.

 

[B1G RED RULES]

We will be favored at Rutgers. Certainly not a given, but just going by where Vegas will be on the last 3.

Were we favored in any other games we have lost?

 

[scotthawk1964]

I imagine fans of every other B1G school share this sentiment - they want to see this staff in Lincoln for a loooonnnnng time.

To be honest, I would rather see that staff in Columbus or Ann Arbor for a looooooooonnnng time. LOL

 

[cidsports]

I can be patient but there is no excuse to losing to a 1-6 football team that's been struggling mightily at stopping the run. What does NU do? They come out throwing the ball with a backup QB. Run the ball the 49 times instead of throwing 49 times and NU wins going away. This is on the coaches and team leadership. Nebraska came out of the lockeroom after halftime and Purdue on their first offensive series went right down the field on that NU defense and scored a TD. Basically zero resistance. This game was painful to watch.

You didn't have Purdue over Nebraska?

Not sure you know Big Ten Football well enough?

@ Marshall (7-1) and @ Michigan State (8-0) ... Purdue gave great effort, but lost.

They also had the benefit of a bye week that often helps programs, like Purdue. Purdue had won 11 straight openers.

When you are 1-6 coming off a bye week ... often it is thought of as a new season?

 

[Harry Caray]

Beamer is retiring at VT. Fire Banker and hire Bud Foster as DC. I'd be willing to give Riley a couple more years if he made a move like that. If he doesn't make any changes, and we see the same problems next year, it will be hard to show patience.

 

[dinglefritz]

This is the root of the problem. I believe Riley is lazy and if he had to merge new blood in coordinator positions he wouldn't have his trained puppet/yes men to make his existence comfortable. He definitely doesn't want to get out of his comfort zone or he would be using this teams talents in a more effective way. The Beavers were getting wise to this. Which answers the question of why he chose to leave when he did.

You keep posting in thread after thread that we're regressing. Based on what? We beat a good Minnesota team a couple of weeks ago that went toe to toe with Michigan and camp up less than a yard short of winning that game. We lost to a pretty good Northwestern team that beat Stanford. We played our backup walk on QB with his first start and he threw 4 picks. Please explain to me how any of that shows "we are regressing".

 

[ExxHusker]

Where did I say regress?

 

[dinglefritz]

Where did I say regress?

excuse me. I got you confused with Gimmered. Your crap looks and smells alike.

 

[HuskerLegion]

You keep posting in thread after thread that we're regressing. Based on what? We beat a good Minnesota team a couple of weeks ago that went toe to toe with Michigan and camp up less than a yard short of winning that game. We lost to a pretty good Northwestern team that beat Stanford. We played our backup walk on QB with his first start and he threw 4 picks. Please explain to me how any of that shows "we are regressing".

I'm not sure it is regressing so much as they are not improving. There are many players that are still struggling with the basics.

 

[Nebraska Gator II]

So despite evidence that suggests a coach needs 2 - 3 years to implement their system and culture to reap the benefits, you want instant success.

Temple should have fired their coach after 2-10 by your premise.

Bama should have fired Saban by your premise.

We were fooled by the smoke and mirrors 9 win seasons by Pelini. I give him credit for clawing out those 9 wins each year, but the foundation had cracks and they are now showing today.

"the true death of Nebraska football" is a bit extreme, but if you think that's indeed what you're seeing, then I suggest you cheer for Ohio State or Alabama. The other 125 teams have also experienced "death" already.

Let's be honest for a minute instead of trying to slant things to support your agenda. Harbaugh took over a one win Stanford team and immediately improved them. Saban took over a 6-7 team and went 7-6-immediately improving the team. Temple went 4-7 the year before the coach took over so he dropped a couple games.

This coach took over a team that won 72% of his games and the new coach with much of the same roster is winning 33% of the games--against an easy schedule.

These are the facts. Continue with your Riley agenda.

 

[ssmill777]

There are also plenty of coaches that came into bad situations and turned the team around immediately. Florida and Michigan this year, Notre Dame a few years ago and Stoops at Oklahoma several years ago etc... You can spin it any way you want to.

Herman at Houston is doing a fantastic job; Narduzzi at Pitt had them ranked for a while. Certainly better than NU.