Bat Lady at it again

[Antwill]

Here’s the problem with not getting vaccinated. Vaccines aren’t 100% effective so you need a high percentage of people to get vaccinated to protect everyone. Especially with measles because the average person with measles infects about 18 other people, with flu, it’s something like 2 to 3. So if you’re not getting your kids vaccinated you’re relying on everyone else to get vaccinated to protect your kids. They are taking the low risk of vaccination to protect your kids, but you won’t vaccinate your kids to protect theirs. Think about that.

You're speaking to someone who has two kids who were injured by their vaccinations. Think about that.

 

[ExcellentBread]

You're speaking to someone who has two kids who were injured by their vaccinations. Think about that.

I have a kid with mild cerebral palsy. It didn’t really manifest until they were older than a year. Without any obvious cause I could see how it’s easy for a parent to jump to a conclusion that a vaccine caused any injury, especially in this climate of misinformation. But the prudent course is to order studies to determine etiology and not use anonymous google opinions.

An MRI did reveal some unilateral atrophy in the PMC with no obvious infarct. The pediatric neurologist told us this was likely due to a clotting issue in-utero and was able to nail it down to a 2-3 month span during development when it likely occurred. There is no obvious explanation for why.

Why I’m writing this is contrary to your ironic “conspiracy theorists were correct about Covid” rant. Covid ran through our house during that interval for the first and only time. I’m not an uneducated rube and I understand the nuances of health and medicine so I’m not going to directly blame Covid for the issue when the concrete evidence isn't there. However I have read a lot of literature on Covid since the beginning and I have found some literature demonstrating this unfortunate association. A few papers isn’t a strong body of evidence, but science takes time. I guess we will see how evident this is in the coming years.

 

[c3o]

Amish people - destroying vaccine fear-mongering for decades

I can’t believe people have any trust in pharmaceutical institutions and studies after what they witnessed with Covid.

What will be uncovered soon is the relationships with Gov, pharma and peer reviewed studies.

Eat healthy, exercise and take care of your mind (stress) and you’ll maximize your time in your vessel.

 

[shocksker]

I held out on the Vaxx till my employer offered me $550..then I be all like... SOLD!! I'm basically a whore now, pretty sure.

The idea that they were willing to pay you to get a shot would have been a huge red flag.
Not just a whore but a fairly cheap one. $500 to sell out and do something you felt you shouldn't do....

 

[Huskers123456]

I would think the slur of being a "conspiracy theorist" would have died given that the conspiracy theorists were right just about everything when it came to Covid. I'm also hoping there is going to be a lot more conspiracy theories proven right with the transparency the Trump Administration has promised.

I know that I won't convince anyone that the pharmaceutical companies don't have our best interest at heart when it comes to vaccines if the last 4 years and the Covid shot debacle didn't convince you, but I'm a glutton for punishment, so here it goes:

I have two vaccine injured kids. Because of that, I did a lot of research on vaccines and the lack of standard, placebo double blind studies that have been done on them. I'm always amazed at the fact that pharmaceutical companies are the most fined companies in history and have provably put out drugs that they knew were going to cause injury and death but calculated that the money they would make would exceed any fines they would have to pay, so they went ahead and rolled out the drug. They have literally killed thousands of people. And those were with drugs that did go through blind placebo-based testing. However, people somehow think that they found Jesus when it comes to the products that make them the most, that they don't have to do placebo testing on, that the government mandates (so they don't have to market them), and that they have liability protection for.

The "conspiracy theory" and "tinfoil hat" insults are often just a good way to dismiss someone rather than doing the research yourself. To my shame, I did the same thing to my wife's OBGYN when he told us we really needed to research vaccines before we gave them to our kids. Thankfully, many prominent doctors who were right about Covid but mercilessly branded as "quacks", taken before medical boards, and had their licenses threatened or even revoked were awakened and finally did their own research into the childhood vaccine schedule and came to the conclusion that none of the vaccines on the current schedule went through the same rigorous testing that is required of all other pharmaceutical drugs.

So, that's my stance. Call me a kook, quack, or conspiracy theorist all you want, but I was totally unsurprised about everything that came to light about the pharma companies and how they do vaccine safety testing that came out during Covid because I had been dealing with it for 10 years by that time.

What injuries do they have, what vaccine, and how did you pinpoint it down to exactly the vaccine?

 

[cornhustler]

I haven’t seen many take umbrage with the efficacy of these well researched vaccines

Only with the delivery mechanism and the heavy metals that are injected with them. Also the timing of delivery.

Maybe those heavy metals are necessary? Maybe they are not?

Maybe they only work in newborns? Maybe not?

The science is there, but if people prefer vague “maybe this, maybe that” speculation over decades of hard data, it’s not really a debate, it’s just doubt for the sake of doubt.

Heavy metals? Trace, broadly safe, and less than in food and water. Timing? Based on decades of immunology. Vaccines work at all ages. No “maybe” about it.

 

[c3o]

The science is there, but if people prefer vague “maybe this, maybe that” speculation over decades of hard data, it’s not really a debate, it’s just doubt for the sake of doubt.

Heavy metals? Trace, broadly safe, and less than in food and water. Timing? Based on decades of immunology. Vaccines work at all ages. No “maybe” about it.

Interesting. Comparing food and water to an injection. Purposely deceiving? You sound like the science lovers who enjoy their water full of fluoride.

 

[cornhustler]

I would think the slur of being a "conspiracy theorist" would have died given that the conspiracy theorists were right just about everything when it came to Covid. I'm also hoping there is going to be a lot more conspiracy theories proven right with the transparency the Trump Administration has promised.

I know that I won't convince anyone that the pharmaceutical companies don't have our best interest at heart when it comes to vaccines if the last 4 years and the Covid shot debacle didn't convince you, but I'm a glutton for punishment, so here it goes:

I have two vaccine injured kids. Because of that, I did a lot of research on vaccines and the lack of standard, placebo double blind studies that have been done on them. I'm always amazed at the fact that pharmaceutical companies are the most fined companies in history and have provably put out drugs that they knew were going to cause injury and death but calculated that the money they would make would exceed any fines they would have to pay, so they went ahead and rolled out the drug. They have literally killed thousands of people. And those were with drugs that did go through blind placebo-based testing. However, people somehow think that they found Jesus when it comes to the products that make them the most, that they don't have to do placebo testing on, that the government mandates (so they don't have to market them), and that they have liability protection for.

The "conspiracy theory" and "tinfoil hat" insults are often just a good way to dismiss someone rather than doing the research yourself. To my shame, I did the same thing to my wife's OBGYN when he told us we really needed to research vaccines before we gave them to our kids. Thankfully, many prominent doctors who were right about Covid but mercilessly branded as "quacks", taken before medical boards, and had their licenses threatened or even revoked were awakened and finally did their own research into the childhood vaccine schedule and came to the conclusion that none of the vaccines on the current schedule went through the same rigorous testing that is required of all other pharmaceutical drugs.

So, that's my stance. Call me a kook, quack, or conspiracy theorist all you want, but I was totally unsurprised about everything that came to light about the pharma companies and how they do vaccine safety testing that came out during Covid because I had been dealing with it for 10 years by that time.

Skepticism is healthy but rejecting overwhelming evidence is not.

Pharmaceutical companies prioritize profit, no argument there. But that doesn’t mean all their products are harmful. Seatbelts exist despite car recalls, and vaccines save lives despite pharma’s flaws. The idea that COVID “conspiracy theorists were right” ignores facts: mRNA vaccines do not rewrite DNA, ivermectin failed large-scale trials, masks reduced transmission, and excess mortality confirmed COVID’s severity.

Vaccines do undergo randomized controlled trials (RCTs) and ongoing safety monitoring. While vaccine injuries exist, they’re exceptionally rare compared to the lives saved, hundreds of millions vs thousands harmed. We live in an imperfect world. Calling oneself a conspiracy theorist doesn’t make bad arguments better. Skepticism is useful when it’s based on evidence, not just distrust. No name calling, we all have our points of view.

 

[litespeedhuskerfan]

The idea that they were willing to pay you to get a shot would have been a huge red flag.
Not just a whore but a fairly cheap one. $500 to sell out and do something you felt you shouldn't do....

I'm a terrible person.

 

[king_kong_]

The science is there, but if people prefer vague “maybe this, maybe that” speculation over decades of hard data, it’s not really a debate, it’s just doubt for the sake of doubt.

Heavy metals? Trace, broadly safe, and less than in food and water. Timing? Based on decades of immunology. Vaccines work at all ages. No “maybe” about it.

Nothing is more scientific than asking questions.

Sorry you don’t like mine.

 

[cornhustler]

Nothing is more scientific than asking questions.

Sorry you don’t like mine.

No worries