Bat Lady at it again
- Thread starter Charlie Marlow
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Maybe the latest reports of a "mysterious disease" coming out of the Congo - where supposedly some kids were eating bats and picked up a deadly virus? Sounds vaguely familiar!!!!
It’s easy to say this … but they are so yummy!
More worried about that nut telling parents they’re going to cause ADD by vaccinating their kids for measles. Much better for them to have encephalopathy and go blind.
He's got a doctor from somewhere who backed his theories though. She's got an honorary doctorate from an unaccreditated online university, but by God she's counting it.
The risks of the vaccine are way more than the risks of the measles. Only kids who die from measles nowadays are likely already severely compromised. They die with measles, not from measels. Kind of like another virus we dealt with recently.
Completely.
Ask yourself why getting measles was the funny plot of a Brady Bunch episode in the 70s and now is treated like the Black Death?
Let's hope RFKJr actually gets some research out that wasn't funded by the pharmaceutical companies about this and the other vaccines.
Ask the Samoan government about wether all the 82 kids that died were “severely compromised”. Or the parents of the kid that died in Texas.
Lol. The WHO says 800,000 people worldwide died from measles in 2000. 100,000+ died in 2023. Let me guess, they were gonna die that year anyway? I love how it used to be the dirty hippies in Seattle who wouldn't vaccinate. Now, after covid, it's the dirty hippies and the far right wing nuts. I'm constantly amazed at how people re-write history. There is a reason these vaccines were created. Same reason they are working on one for poultry.
You want to brow beat folks on what can be complicated scientific debate about vaccines (I believe in vaccinating)? How about start with a simple topic like the differences between male and female? Go ahead science guy, let 'er rip.
First off, vaccines aren’t a complicated scientific debate, they’re one of the most well-researched, evidence-backed medical interventions in history. The only reason it seems like a debate is because political grifters and conspiracy theorists muddy the waters with bad-faith arguments and cherry-picked nonsense. (Using a 70s sitcom as "proof" that measles isn’t serious is a perfect example.)
Second, conflating immunology with culture war talking points is just lazy. One is based on biomedical science, statistics, and decades of global research, while the other is a sociopolitical hot button that has nothing to do with pathogens, immune responses, or epidemiology. Pretending they’re equivalent is like saying, “You want to discuss climate science? First, tell me what color a banana is.”
This is a textbook example of derailing a legitimate discussion with irrelevant bait. If someone doesn’t understand vaccines, throwing a culture war distraction into the mix won’t lend credibility to their argument. #ripped
I haven’t seen many take umbrage with the efficacy of these well researched vaccines
Only with the delivery mechanism and the heavy metals that are injected with them. Also the timing of delivery.
Maybe those heavy metals are necessary? Maybe they are not?
Maybe they only work in newborns? Maybe not?
I know where to find tin foil if there's a shortage!
The idea that measles only harms the severely compromised is flat-out wrong. It can cause blindness, encephalitis, pneumonia, and death, even in healthy kids. Before vaccines, hundreds of thousands died annually, and outbreaks today still hospitalize and kill.
Claiming the vaccine is riskier than measles is like saying seatbelts are riskier than car crashes. The measles vaccine’s risks? Mild soreness and an ultra-rare allergic reaction. The risks of measles? Brain damage, lifelong complications, and death.
This is the paradox of success, vaccines worked so well that people now have the luxury of forgetting how deadly these diseases actually were.
I would think the slur of being a "conspiracy theorist" would have died given that the conspiracy theorists were right just about everything when it came to Covid. I'm also hoping there is going to be a lot more conspiracy theories proven right with the transparency the Trump Administration has promised.
I know that I won't convince anyone that the pharmaceutical companies don't have our best interest at heart when it comes to vaccines if the last 4 years and the Covid shot debacle didn't convince you, but I'm a glutton for punishment, so here it goes:
I have two vaccine injured kids. Because of that, I did a lot of research on vaccines and the lack of standard, placebo double blind studies that have been done on them. I'm always amazed at the fact that pharmaceutical companies are the most fined companies in history and have provably put out drugs that they knew were going to cause injury and death but calculated that the money they would make would exceed any fines they would have to pay, so they went ahead and rolled out the drug. They have literally killed thousands of people. And those were with drugs that did go through blind placebo-based testing. However, people somehow think that they found Jesus when it comes to the products that make them the most, that they don't have to do placebo testing on, that the government mandates (so they don't have to market them), and that they have liability protection for.
The "conspiracy theory" and "tinfoil hat" insults are often just a good way to dismiss someone rather than doing the research yourself. To my shame, I did the same thing to my wife's OBGYN when he told us we really needed to research vaccines before we gave them to our kids. Thankfully, many prominent doctors who were right about Covid but mercilessly branded as "quacks", taken before medical boards, and had their licenses threatened or even revoked were awakened and finally did their own research into the childhood vaccine schedule and came to the conclusion that none of the vaccines on the current schedule went through the same rigorous testing that is required of all other pharmaceutical drugs.
So, that's my stance. Call me a kook, quack, or conspiracy theorist all you want, but I was totally unsurprised about everything that came to light about the pharma companies and how they do vaccine safety testing that came out during Covid because I had been dealing with it for 10 years by that time.
sorry to hear about your kids
that sucks, man
wishing you and your family all the best
I’m so sorry to hear about your kids.
What vaccines are you talking about and what injuries are you talking about?
I bet everyone my age (72) had the measles. Never heard of people dying from them. If someone we knew had mumps, then all the boys that hadn’t had mumps were brought over and exposed so they would get mumps. Then vaccines were created and we didn’t do any of that with my kids. Polio was bad when I was a kid. It’s not a thing now. Vaccines have an important place. BUT, it would not surprise me if there are bad side effects of the vaccines that affect some people. Don’t think there will ever be all positive results for all people.
I held out on the Vaxx till my employer offered me $550..then I be all like... SOLD!! I'm basically a whore now, pretty sure.
German measles, yes, but that’s not the same as measles. German measles causes a congenital syndrome, but isn’t that bad when Caught postnatally. There is a vaccine against it given in MMR and I believe it’s given mainly because of the concern about pregnant women getting it and having problems with their pregnancy/congenital malformations, etc..
Measles is a bad disease. It kills young children and is the cause of the death in Texas and the 80+ deaths in Samoa. The outbreak in Samoa occurred because two nurses reconstituted the measles vaccine in a medicine used for paralysis during surgery and two kids died. So RFK went there, gave speeches, talked to the President, etc.. about how dangerous the vaccines were and because of all this, less people got vaccinated, there was a big epidemic and 80+ people died. RFKjr’s cousin (the daughter of JFK) reported that RFK Junior gets his own kids vaccinated, but makes money off of referring people who are injured by vaccines, which is why he’s such a “expert”.
I think you are referring to the R in MMR which is the Rubella (German Measles) vaccine and that is devastating to the baby if caught in utero. However, there hasn't been a case transmitted within the US since 2004 and there are only an average of 5 cases brought in from outside the country every year, so the chances of catching it are exceedingly low.
RFKJr is an expert for the same reason a lot of people become experts on this. The term anti-vax should actually be ex-vax due to most people who question vaccines do so because of an injury to a family member. In RFKJr's case, he was doing environmental law and was approached by moms who had vaccine injured kids and challenged him to look at the data. He finally did and had the integrity to put his reputation and career on the line to fight for these moms and families who had been devastated by vaccine injury. And there are thousands if not millions of them. He vaccinated his kids before he was aware of any of this so criticizing him by saying "he vaccinated his kids to protect them but now makes money off being anti-vax" is dishonest. He has stated if he knew then what he knows now he would not have vaccinated them. Believe me, it would be way easier just to go along with the crowd. He has literally been disowned and disparaged by several members of his own family. Up until recently, most people thought he was a total quack. Many still do. He's got plenty of money and if we wanted to make a bunch of money off this, why would he take on the pharmaceutical companies for products that they have liability protection for?
He also has stated he isn't anti-vax, but pro-science. I am the same. If they will actually do the best science to study the vaccines and do a comparison between overall health outcomes of vaxxed vs unvaxxed kids', I would be much more open to reconsidering them. Up until now the CDC has refused to do that study even though they have the data. Why do you think that is? They could put this debate to bed tomorrow if they just did that study and it shows that vaxxed kids have better overall health than unvaxxed kids. What good is it to take a vax to avoid getting measles but that subjects you to a laundry list of other side effects that are as bad as a bad outcome from measles? And you can say those side effects are very rare (they aren't as rare as they want you to believe), but so is the negative side effects from measles and most if not all of the other diseases they vaccinate for.
If you want to get your kids all the vaxxes in the world, more power to you. But those who want to make a different choice should have that right. Besides, if your kids are vaxxed, you don't have anything to worry about, right?
Everything I said was correct.
And with all due respect, you haven’t told us what vaccine your kids took, and what injuries they suffered.
There are complications of vaccines, they are well characterized, and rare. The problem has become that people like RFK Junior have made a lot of money from referring parents whose kids have something with no known cause like autism and said that vaccines cause it.
If RFK Junior stops influenza vaccines from being updated this year, and causes significant decreases in vaccination rates, we’re going to find out why vaccines were considered one of the major advances and 20th century medicine. And that I wish on no one.
