Banker = Cosgrove?
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Seriously, what the hell is so difficult to figure this oh so simple fact.
Are you pushing an agenda???
Or
Are you really dense???
If it's the first...grow up already!
If it's the second... try to listen and learn!
Are you pushing an agenda???
Or
Are you really dense???
If it's the first...grow up already!
If it's the second... try to listen and learn!
It is hard to defend anyone when the LBs are barely involved. They need to fill the holes MUCH harder and learn how to avoid blocks, rather than running right up to the 325 lineman. When one particular backer stumbles blindly into the ball carrier, he can't tackle him anyhow. Young has flashes, but is often lost, but that is expected.
Why do you think his defenses will be better at Nebraska?
- Because were Nebraska and their Oregon St.?
- Because were able to recruit better Talent?
- Because our fans are more passionate than OSU?
- Because this staff is going to coach better at Nebraska than they did at OSU?
- Because Saban did it at Alabama???
Sorry, I'm from Missouri(the show-me state) on this one. I'll take past results over wishful thinking for two hundred Alex!
I hope Banker does well here. Im skeptical at this point...and all the juvenile name calling by other posters isn't going to alter my opinion. But a sound argument and good play on the field will!
Truth be told, the only thing that will work for you is play on the field. The whole sound argument thing only works if you have an open mind.
Whenever a coach goes to a new location things change. Not just for Saban, all coaches. Some can sustain that success at multiple locations, like Urban Meyer. Others, on the other hand, aren't able to. Chris Peterson was pretty darn good at Boise State. Same with Hawkins before him. When they left, they should have continued winning according to your logic.
Why haven't they? Because the setting is different, the athletes are different, the competition is different... Lots of variables here. Some can improve after switching, some get worse. How can you predict that? How is it that you and others know Riley will only be a .500 coach here? Please don't spout past performance as your only proof, because there are too many examples of coaches who have done amazing things after a change of scenery. Les miles, nick saban, Pete Carroll, all were average before LSU, Alabama and USC. Jimmy Johnson did nothing at Oklahoma state except put them on probation before going to Miami and winning big. How do you explain that?
How was gene Chizik good enough to win a national championship for auburn and then bad enough to get fired a few years later? Why isn't Bret Bielema lighting it up in Arkansas? He won the B1G 2 or three times before going to Arkansas. Even finished last year ranked and in an upward trajectory. What is his record this year? Who has he played? That doesn't support your theory.
Before I entertain your theory that Riley won't improve at Nebraska, please explain to me how these .500 coaches at their previous coaching stops magically transformed themselves into championship coaches?
What I have to say probably doesn't change your mind one bit, because it's already made up. Be honest. The only way your opinion changes is by what happens on the field. Am I right?
Just don't even try. What program are you a fan of? You're popping in threads and crapping on them. Not even trying to sound like a fan.
You would never know it by his posts...
You, fine sir, have no idea who I am. The proof is in the pudding with Banker defenses. Statistics do not lie. It's not that difficult to understand simple statistics.
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Then why did statistics not matter when the "defensive guru" was our coach? You remember those defenses.... the historically bad ones?
We had eight years of woeful mismanagement and broken promises. I wouldn't want to bring up his epic failures either as a defensive genius.
The statistics did matter and that is one of the reasons that he is no longer our coach along with other reasons like being a jerk to reporters, officials, and establishing an us against them mentality with the fan base. His defensive strategy could work with most teams in the B10 that didn't have dual threat quarterbacks or great running attacks.
Banker has a stop the run first mentality that I think will work quite well in the B10 with the exception of teams that have a great quarterback. Instead of getting gouged with > 400 yards on the ground we may get gouged with > 400 yards in the air. I do prefer (as a fan) the approach of stopping the run first and trying to get better pressure on the QB and better man to man coverage. Watching Gordon run all over the field uncontested was very painful and at least with a pass you have the ability to intercept or knock it down for no yardage.
OK fine sir, take a gander at my post above that I posted for meo1960... he is strangely absent from weighing in, so I would love to hear from someone else who want to look only at statistics. Tell me how those statistics bore out for the guys named in that post? For convenience' sake, I have decided to post it here for you so you don't have to scroll up...
"Truth be told, the only thing that will work for you is play on the field. The whole sound argument thing only works if you have an open mind.
Whenever a coach goes to a new location things change. Not just for Saban, all coaches. Some can sustain that success at multiple locations, like Urban Meyer. Others, on the other hand, aren't able to. Chris Peterson was pretty darn good at Boise State. Same with Hawkins before him. When they left, they should have continued winning according to your logic.
Why haven't they? Because the setting is different, the athletes are different, the competition is different... Lots of variables here. Some can improve after switching, some get worse. How can you predict that? How is it that you and others know Riley will only be a .500 coach here? Please don't spout past performance as your only proof, because there are too many examples of coaches who have done amazing things after a change of scenery. Les miles, nick saban, Pete Carroll, all were average before LSU, Alabama and USC. Jimmy Johnson did nothing at Oklahoma state except put them on probation before going to Miami and winning big. How do you explain that?
How was gene Chizik good enough to win a national championship for auburn and then bad enough to get fired a few years later? Why isn't Bret Bielema lighting it up in Arkansas? He won the B1G 2 or three times before going to Arkansas. Even finished last year ranked and in an upward trajectory. What is his record this year? Who has he played? That doesn't support your theory.
Before I entertain your theory that Riley won't improve at Nebraska, please explain to me how these .500 coaches at their previous coaching stops magically transformed themselves into championship coaches?
What I have to say probably doesn't change your mind one bit, because it's already made up. Be honest. The only way your opinion changes is by what happens on the field. Am I right?"
Strangely absent? I'm doing a job in the middle of nowhere, where the closest Menard's is 1 hour and 45 minutes away. So I just got back at 5p today. Anyway, I'm glad that certain coaches were able to turn things around at certain schools. Good for them. Could it happen here for Mike Riley, I sure hope so. TA sure has upped his game and I'd have to tip the cap to the coaches on that. On the other hand, I know its early, but the early returns on the defensive side of the ball are business as usual for Banker. Really reminds me of them porous Cosgrove defenses.
There is a reason that potential employers review a resume when pondering a hiring decision. Though early, Banker is living "down" to his resume. However, if he can produce a top 10 defense once every 4 or 5 years, he will have done something Volde-Coz never did! This isn't earth shattering stuff. Everyone has seen the 1st 3 games right?
So yeah, results on the field are all that really matter. Being an all around nice guy doesn't put dubya's on the board. And holding onto coaches who aren't cutting it has cost many a coach their job. We're probably 3-4 years from that decision though.
Hopefully Banker can field a consistent championship style defense. History is not in his favor. I don't think any Husker fan enjoys watching our defense get shredded.
Meo, thanks for responding... It was unfair for me to call you out. I just got tired of others who are newbies that are clearly not fans, just stirring the pot.
I have seen you on the board for a long time and don't question your fandom. I agree with you that banker could be an anchor around Riley's neck. He could be. But I think it's too early to even go there. Let's give him time to get a healthy, deep defense on the field before we judge him as a failure. Not saying you are suggesting he's a failure, but if we are gonna judge him solely on his days at OSU, then we have already made up our mind.
I'm asking people not to make up their minds just yet. He's gonna get plenty of rope to work with here. Either he'll turn things around or hang himself. Time will tell.
I think this is a reasonable response to the potential dilemma Riley could face if the defense does not significantly approve over time. I have to admit I am not a fan of Banker's resume. However, as a long time husker fan, I sincerely hope that with Nebraska's resources the Blackshirts will return to some of their past glory. I vividly recall the prevailing feeling that if Callahan would make some coaching changes, i.e. Cosgrove, history might have been different. I hope Banker > Cosgrove.
I don't think there is any doubt that Banker will be better than Coz if for no other reason than that Banker has MUCH better assistants working for him. Coz had maybe one of the worst assistant coaches working on his side of the ball (Elmo) that NU has maybe ever seen and Blake mailed it in due to some personal differences for the last year he was at NU. Blake could recruit but he was not a good coach.
Banker being compared to Cosgrove is actually not as damning as one would think, given the fact that the last coach was one of the worst defensive coaches in all of the sport. In three games, Banker has made more adjustments with the way he plays his very poor chess pieces than Biff ever did. Biff knew one defense and once everyone else figured that out, it was open season. All this worry about some early mistakes on the field in pass coverage and people are losing their minds, as if the last 7 years of asswhoopings didn't happen or were supposed to just abruptly stop when the head coach changed. They will go away once the roster has the adequate talent needed to be an elite defense again. Not really much sooner than that. The Depth Chart on the DL alone is the worst at Nebraska since 2004 or so. It doesn't help much that McMuffin is out there at end getting whipped by every 2-bit tackle across the country.
One thing that is truly confounding to me is the general idiocy of Husker fans. This knee-jerk, jump to the most extreme conclusion about someone or something they perceived happened in the past is baffling. I cannot to this day even begin to understand what kind of cognitive dissonance is required to connect Mike Riley to Bill Callahan in any fashion.
Mike Riley hired Mark Banker because he believes in him and he believes he can get the job done. However, should the time come, and that time will be at least a few seasons in, Mike Riley will move him along if needed. Or any other coach for that matter. That is something the last coach wasn't able to do either. Rather than fire his embarrassingly poor OL coach, he just switched his title and responsibility to head dunce in charge of TEs while he still allowed him to dabble in OL coaching.
Finally, the notion that Mike Riley is in over his head on this and has no clue how to solve anything is just nuts. It must be something to do with the young generation today that only sees boorish, loudmouthed dickheads as leaders and experts. They see Saban or Harbaugh screaming and acting like sycophants on field and assume that since those guys are marginally successful that you have to be that guy to have success, so the assumption is that since our head coach is far more intellectual and conducts himself professionally that he must be some noncompetitive dummy. It is an assumption that again points back to the general idiocy of Husker fans. There are a ton of things going on within the program that are indicators of the direction change, but people are far too focused on the immediate now and the immediate struggles and project that out over the long haul as failure...which makes no sense at all.
One thing that is truly confounding to me is the general idiocy of Husker fans. This knee-jerk, jump to the most extreme conclusion about someone or something they perceived happened in the past is baffling. I cannot to this day even begin to understand what kind of cognitive dissonance is required to connect Mike Riley to Bill Callahan in any fashion.
Mike Riley hired Mark Banker because he believes in him and he believes he can get the job done. However, should the time come, and that time will be at least a few seasons in, Mike Riley will move him along if needed. Or any other coach for that matter. That is something the last coach wasn't able to do either. Rather than fire his embarrassingly poor OL coach, he just switched his title and responsibility to head dunce in charge of TEs while he still allowed him to dabble in OL coaching.
Finally, the notion that Mike Riley is in over his head on this and has no clue how to solve anything is just nuts. It must be something to do with the young generation today that only sees boorish, loudmouthed dickheads as leaders and experts. They see Saban or Harbaugh screaming and acting like sycophants on field and assume that since those guys are marginally successful that you have to be that guy to have success, so the assumption is that since our head coach is far more intellectual and conducts himself professionally that he must be some noncompetitive dummy. It is an assumption that again points back to the general idiocy of Husker fans. There are a ton of things going on within the program that are indicators of the direction change, but people are far too focused on the immediate now and the immediate struggles and project that out over the long haul as failure...which makes no sense at all.
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