Banker = Cosgrove?

[Nebraska Gator II]

I find it interesting people refer to Cally/ Cosgrove when Bo/ JP was just awful yet almost forgotten.

I don't believe that Bo was a bad defensive coach. He did pretty well in the Big 12 when he had Callahan talent. He was a pathetic recruiter and it caught up to him.

His team was also not well suited for the change from mostly wide open passing spread offenses of the big 12...compared to more pro style-power rushing teams in the Big 10.

Not to mention, he couldn't have been too bad. He was one of the most successful head coaches in the country while he was here.

 

[Lincoln100]

Personally I think that MR is smarter then BC when it comes to making changes. I'm not sure the last time I saw this 2 deep so thin. There is more to this then meets the eye.

I also don't think the BC cared too much about this job. He was in the superbowl; he sure as hell isn't going to let some small-town college folk pressure him into firing his buddy.

 

[jflores]

Fact: 10 walk-ons in the two deep.

There isn't another program in the country that develops all of their players the way Nebraska has over a long period of time. There aren't walk-ons when the pads go on.

A big reason we fired Bo is because players weren't developing that well, especially walk ons. We weren't exactly trotting out the Mackovicka brothers the last 7 years.

 

[timnsun]

I don't believe that Bo was a bad defensive coach. He did pretty well in the Big 12 when he had Callahan talent. He was a pathetic recruiter and it caught up to him.

His team was also not well suited for the change from mostly wide open passing spread offenses of the big 12...compared to more pro style-power rushing teams in the Big 10.

Not to mention, he couldn't have been too bad. He was one of the most successful head coaches in the country while he was here.

The problem is he had 4 years in the B1G to figure it out but never did... That doesn't make him a premier defensive coach in my opinion if he was never able to figure out how to stop the run, especially when he had to know it was coming.

 

[rrthusker]

I don't believe that Bo was a bad defensive coach. He did pretty well in the Big 12 when he had Callahan talent. He was a pathetic recruiter and it caught up to him.

His team was also not well suited for the change from mostly wide open passing spread offenses of the big 12...compared to more pro style-power rushing teams in the Big 10.

Not to mention, he couldn't have been too bad. He was one of the most successful head coaches in the country while he was here.

Wisconsin just scored again.

 

[Lincoln100]

I don't believe that Bo was a bad defensive coach. He did pretty well in the Big 12 when he had Callahan talent. He was a pathetic recruiter and it caught up to him.

His team was also not well suited for the change from mostly wide open passing spread offenses of the big 12...compared to more pro style-power rushing teams in the Big 10.

Not to mention, he couldn't have been too bad. He was one of the most successful head coaches in the country while he was here.

Bo's system may be the best system in the world . . . when he has lots of NFL talent (especially on the D-Line). When he didn't have lots of NFL talent, his defenses got used. Bo wasn't a bad defensive coach, but he wasn't good.

 

[Nebraska Fan]

Are you suggesting that Nebraska with 10 walk ons in the two deep is equal to other top programs in the nation who don't have the same number of walk ons in their two deep? If so, I'm not sure I have seen such hyperbole on this board in... forever!

Seriously, Nebraska does have a reputation of developing walk ons, you are absolutely right. But when was the last time there were 10 of them in Nebraska's two deep? You won't find it, I would imagine. That, my friend, spells trouble. As much as we might develop them, not every walk on we develop equals scholarship players at Ohio State, Alabama, or heck, even Wisconsin or Minnesota.

Would we agree the players who come in without scholarship are 2* or low 3* ranked players?

 

[Land Shark7]

Then let the man do his job. Your post is incredibly out of line considering the staff has had three whole games since landing in Lincoln.

Is it out of line to have an opinion on a message board? Good to know. Thanks for the information.

 

[red rover 70]

I don't believe that Bo was a bad defensive coach. He did pretty well in the Big 12 when he had Callahan talent. He was a pathetic recruiter and it caught up to him.

His team was also not well suited for the change from mostly wide open passing spread offenses of the big 12...compared to more pro style-power rushing teams in the Big 10.

Not to mention, he couldn't have been too bad. He was one of the most successful head coaches in the country while he was here.

I just can't take you seriously when that is your response.

And Wisconsin really did just score again...

 

[red rover 70]

I wish i had Tim's chart for worst all-time defensive performances. Bo had Cos beat yet we're talking about Cos and Billy's relationship with respect to Riley and Banker. And not about how Bo kept a glorified signal man employed with a coordinators salary. Now that would be an interesting thread about true nepotism.

 

[Nebraska Gator II]

I just can't take you seriously when that is your response.

And Wisconsin really did just score again...

Why is it hard to take me seriously? Go look at his defense here in 03, look at his defenses at OU and LSU when he had talent. Look at his defenses the first few years at Nebraska.

I am not defending Bo. I was pointing out that his schemes sure seemed to work better when he had talent on defense. It is still his job to recruit--which I have heard numerous people mention 10 walk ons on the two deep--so it must not be too far off base.

 

[Nebraska Gator II]

I find it interesting people refer to Cally/ Cosgrove when Bo/ JP was just awful yet almost forgotten.

Cally was an offensive guy that hired his buddy to be the DC. That is why people compare that to Riley -offensive guy that brings his best buddy to be the DC. Bo pretty much was the DC when he was here, so it is completely different. He wasn't going to fire himself.

 

[saudi_aurora]

I really don't think Banker = Cosgrove yet. And I hope Riley does not have to face changing coordinators. I don't think 3 games is a fair sample to over-react. They should have a chance to recruit and coach. I do think if the defense continued to give up 500 yards per game, Riley might be slow to make coaching changes.

What a bunch of sheep. Haters be hating, when this group sucks the rest of the year I hope that you have this post saved.

 

[timnsun]

Would we agree the players who come in without scholarship are 2* or low 3* ranked players?

Sure, I'll play along. What's your point?

 

[SnohomishRed]

You forgot this...

Fact: It is only game three.
Fact: All three starting linebackers are injured. (our entire linebacking corp has a total of 5 scholarship players, and three of them are injured... you don't think that has an effect on the team?)
Fact: 10 walk-ons in the two deep. Do other teams have this problem? (Here's a clue... Miami two deep depth chart - 0 walk-ons)
Fact: IT IS ONLY GAME THREE!

Yours truly,

non over-reactor

I am not doubting you but ten seems high for what I see - for example we have a walk - on back up QB but it is not like we do not have other talent there - plus it has had zero impact on the play so far

DE we are light but I wonder what happened to Mixon,Natter,Suttles, Keels,King,Newell, Wills these were all DE commits in 2013 and 2014 - LB we are also light but we lost Love to the transition and Santos in off seasonplus we lost that DE to University rules in the off season when they messed around with him all summer

I do think we are light on talent especially in some areas but some was due to the transition also its not as bad as some make out

 

[anon_f0p8yi74csor0]

I find it interesting people refer to Cally/ Cosgrove when Bo/ JP was just awful yet almost forgotten.

Exactly! I am always amazed these guys always bring up cosgrove as a comparison to being bad but no bozo. I guess they don't think he has reached the bo level which has the worst defensive numbers if all time at Nebraska Its game three! No depth and injuries to the little depth we have.......yeah sure blame a guy who is stuck with what he has and doing his best to field a damn team right now. Some of these idiots need to get out of fantasy land. I for one think this staff and team is overachieving if you look at reality of the situation.

 

[Land Shark7]

Cally was an offensive guy that hired his buddy to be the DC. That is why people compare that to Riley -offensive guy that brings his best buddy to be the DC. Bo pretty much was the DC when he was here, so it is completely different. He wasn't going to fire himself.

Yes. This was my point. Riley seems very loyal to some of his long time coaches who have followed him around. I'm sure it would be extremely difficult to fire his longtime friend.

Bo had some terrible defensive benchmarks and I don't think anyone could argue that Papuchis was not the figurehead defensive coordinator. Bo should have hired a legitimate defensive coordinator.

 

[Nebraska Fan]

Sure, I'll play along. What's your point?

Obviously Ohio State and Alabama don't have 10 2&3* players on their two deep but BYU does and so do Big Ten teams.

 

[jflores]

Obviously Ohio State and Alabama don't have 10 2&3* players on their two deep but BYU does and so do Big Ten teams.

And for all their stellar recruiting, the talk today on the radio was how Bama hasn't been able to find a QB or a secondary in the past several years.

And somehow people think Riley is going to walk into Lincoln and just pull one out of his hat by game 3 of a transition year.

 

[Rocky Mtn Husker]

Dead on. I think people forget what a HUGE difference talent makes and whether certain offensive or defensive schemes will succeed. Aside from watching Tommy throw, or the backs running style, I think it's extremely difficult to evaluate talent thru a TV screen, albeit an HD one. Great talent can compensate for average coaching ability, but rarely do you see great coaching compensate for average talent. A few have: Tom Osborne and Bill Snyder come to mind as recent examples. Once they are able to find some success with average talent, you start getting kids' attention. NOW they find themselves able to really recruit some top notch talent and before you know it you've got a top 10 program.
I think that is what all coaches in Lincoln are going to faced with and suspect that we could be waiting a long, long time before we find that person who can pull it off. Maybe it's MR, who knows, and, although I support them 100%, how can you not have some doubts at 1-2? Yes, I know, it's still early. GBR.

 

[Mr.Scary13]

Message 1 is not relevant. I have been around this board for years. While it is still early, I am very concerned about the yards given up. Aren't you?

How concerened were you about Bo's defenses setting record after record of futility the past 7 years. My guess is, not so much...

 

[Land Shark7]

How concerened were you about Bo's defenses setting record after record of futility the past 7 years. My guess is, not so much...

Why would you guess that? I thought Bo's defenses were terrible.

 

[Mr.Scary13]

Why would you guess that? I thought Bo's defenses were terrible.

So why weren't you on here posting your concerns about Bo?

 

[dinglefritz]

nm

 

[Land Shark7]

So why weren't you on here posting your concerns about Bo?

I had better things to do.

 

[red rover 70]

I had better things to do.

Man you've fallen far.

 

[Mr.Scary13]

I had better things to do.

You sure did.... it was swinging on Bo's nuts.

 

[Bugeater]

If Mike Riley gets 9 wins out of this team this year, he should be coach of the year.

 

[red rover 70]

Is that you Pooppinchis???
At least you're not slam'n em back like your old buddy. Thorazine and alcohol is a bad combination

 

[Land Shark7]

You sure did.... it was swinging on Bo's nuts.

??? I really have to laugh at this board. I made a point about the legitimate possibility of Mike Riley having a difficult time to replace a defensive coordinator if in the future the defense continued to give up ridiculous numbers because he is loyal to his coaches. And this post is where it went? And people wonder why some fans do not post. There you go.

 

[Land Shark7]

Man you've fallen far.

I can't argue with that. Time to get back to the real world.

 

[timnsun]

I can't argue with that. Time to get back to the real world.

Land shark, it's a bad time to be posting negative stuff on this board, especially wth newbie under your name. lots of newbies have joined recently and done nothing but complain about the coaches. You are getting lumped into that.

If you're legitimate, weather the storm. It will get better. If not, well...

 

[clemke21]

We are #4 in rush defense (Big10) i think that will serve us well during conference play.

I laughed at this post (sorry) but I seen this and instantly thought, "well yea obviously we're number 4 vs the run, why would any team run the ball vs us when you can toss it all day long? I figured we should be number 1 vs the run!"

However let me toss in my disclaimer before I get attacked by this board, I do think it's way to early to judge this staff, like any husker fan it hurts to see this team sitting at 1-2 but I think with what I see from this staff I have reason to think things will change once they get their players in... This staff can develop talent as I do believe that I seen somewhere just yesterday that Oregon state is a program that is in the top 25 for players currently in the NFL... I point that out to show that They can develop the kids just let them get the kids here first.

 

[huskerhomie]

Would we agree the players who come in without scholarship are 2* or low 3* ranked players?

No, not necessarily.
None of the walk ons we have currently were ranked 3 stars, and some were not even ranked 2 stars. This is an incorrect assumption.

Maybe sometimes some of the walk ons would be ranked that way, but none of our current walk ons are (and we are not even counting kicking and punting or Long snappers in this list BTW) or else our list of walk ons in our two deep would be even larger than 10-11 if we did.

 

[red rover 70]

The fact we have that many walk-ons on the travel roster is a stain on the former coach. No way around that 800 pound gorilla. I was just very impressed with the coaches and the players. They coaches made adjustments and the players responded.

 

[red rover 70]

People also are forgetting that in past years those walk-ons were most likely junior or Senior starters. Not underclassmen trying to fill a need.

 

[vs540husker]

I honestly think the defense looks decent under Banker with the exception being secondary play. My biggest problem is that the corners seem to do nothing to try to break up the pass. They just run with the receiver and do nothing else until the receiver catches the ball, then they try to make a tackle. We also seem to have trouble pressuring the QB.
But since this is a comparison thread about Banker vs. Cosgrove, here are their total defensive stats from the end of each year.

Through 3 games, Nebraska under Banker is currently 104th in total defense.

Here is where Bankers defenses finished at the end of the year in *total defense* while at Oregon State:
2014- 76
2013- 101
2012- 30
2011- 84
2010- 86
2009- 46
2008- 23
2007- 8
2006- 59
2005- 84
2004- 18
2003- 7

Here is where Cosgroves defenses finished at the end of the year in *total defense* while at Wisconsin & Nebraska.
Nebraska:
2007- 112
2006- 56
2005- 26
2004- 56
Wisconsin:
2003- 43
2002- 63
2001- 58
2000-79
1999- 15
1998- 4
1997- 61
1996- below 50, NCAA website didn't list any team below 50
1995- 71
1994- 42
1993- 38
1992- 40
1991- 24
1990- 47

 

[meo1960]

Not directed at me, but I'll answer.

Of course I am!

But I am also concerned that morons in the fan base are already claiming he's the worst coach in the history of Nebraska football (spinner4 after just 1 game) before letting him have more than a few games with an injury laden defense that can't get much continuity under new coaches in a new system when the lineup changes weekly due to the injuries to key players...

Do you really think after three games this is a fair assessment of what Banker can do? McBride used to suck too, if you're old enough to remember...

I just wish people would chill about the coaches and let a season go by before saying such idiotic stuff so soon...

Have you seen that leopard that can change his spots??? Neither have I. This isn't Bankers first rodeo. He has a track record anyone can check out. So why would his defenses fare any better just because he changed schools? So far, I'd say he's on schedule.

 

[timnsun]

Have you seen that leopard that can change his spots??? Neither have I. This isn't Bankers first rodeo. He has a track record anyone can check out. So why would his defenses fare any better just because he changed schools? So far, I'd say he's on schedule.

You seriously asking this? We haven't told you enough about guys like saban who improved tenfold and Hawkins who went from the greatest to the worst when they changed schools? Don't be so ignorant.

Or are you playing me? Hmmmm.....

 

[red rover 70]

I honestly think the defense looks decent under Banker with the exception being secondary play. My biggest problem is that the corners seem to do nothing to try to break up the pass. They just run with the receiver and do nothing else until the receiver catches the ball, then they try to make a tackle. We also seem to have trouble pressuring the QB.
But since this is a comparison thread about Banker vs. Cosgrove, here are their total defensive stats from the end of each year.

Through 3 games, Nebraska under Banker is currently 104th in total defense.

Here is where Bankers defenses finished at the end of the year in *total defense* while at Oregon State:
2014- 76
2013- 101
2012- 30
2011- 84
2010- 86
2009- 46
2008- 23
2007- 8
2006- 59
2005- 84
2004- 18
2003- 7

Here is where Cosgroves defenses finished at the end of the year in *total defense* while at Wisconsin & Nebraska.
Nebraska:
2007- 112
2006- 56
2005- 26
2004- 56
Wisconsin:
2003- 43
2002- 63
2001- 58
2000-79
1999- 15
1998- 4
1997- 61
1996- below 50, NCAA website didn't list any team below 50
1995- 71
1994- 42
1993- 38
1992- 40
1991- 24
1990- 47

Have you seen that leopard that can change his spots??? Neither have I. This isn't Bankers first rodeo. He has a track record anyone can check out. So why would his defenses fare any better just because he changed schools? So far, I'd say he's on schedule.

Again boys, you are trying to equate Banker's defense at Oregon State with Nebraska. His track record with the athlete at Oregon State will have little resemblance of what he can accomplish at Nebraska. If it's year five and Banker has a defense 75 or lower then you can scream and yell all you want. But right now it makes little scene given our roster difficulties.