At Least 20 Schools. How big is this going to get?

[newAD]

I fully expect every big name program to get hit if the Feds are interested in fully investigating. I wouldn't be stunned in the slightest if $100,000 was considered on the low end for top prospects. I fully expect there to be so many schools caught cheating that either the rules change to allow the players to be paid or the NCAA just gives a one time amnesty to every school.

As dirty as college basketball is, can you even imagine the scale of college football's cheating?

JMHO but I highly doubt it is worse than college basketball. In basketball, 1 recruit can literally change a program and a team’s season the year after being signed more than any other sport.

There may be more cheating number wise in football, but I’d bet the biggest under the table $$$ payments go to basketball players.

 

[mwulf]

Any chance Arizona self imposes a postseason ban ?

 

[newAD]

Any chance Arizona self imposes a postseason ban ?

I’ll bet $100,000!

 

[barney44]

Maybe if you hand over your research on steroids conducted during the late 80s and 90s

Sure, right along with the rest of college footballs research conducted on steroids..

Athletics dude, no one is ever innocent..

 

[ellobo]

Sure, right along with the rest of college footballs research conducted on steroids..

Athletics dude, no one is ever innocent..

Sure...and the german families who watched the trains go by were just as guilty as Hitler when it came to the Holocaust

 

[Mack In Motion]

Sure...and the german families who watched the trains go by were just as guilty as Hitler when it came to the Holocaust

Hitter reference played WAAAY early in this exchange.

Major flame war violation. You have to vacate 13 posts.

 

[barney44]

Sure...and the german families who watched the trains go by were just as guilty as Hitler when it came to the Holocaust

College football is the train...

 

[maplesyrup95]

How big is this going to get? It's about to get gigantic. And I know I'm late to the thread, but I cannot believe someone still has yet to bring up the some of the key culprits that have yet to be named. The blame always goes directly to the coach, player and the school brand. But where the hell do you think all the tax money goes for the $100K for each player(s) at each big school(s)??? Sure it might be under the table but that cash still has to get taxed somehow, per the IRS. Those taxes are being laundered illegally.

Nike, Adidas and Under Armour are in scorching hot water. People will be going to prison. But let's not pretend like this is the first time this stuff has happened, because it isn't.

 

[saluno22]

Any chance Arizona self imposes a postseason ban ?

I don't follow college basketball as closely as I'd like to, so I had to look up how Arizona is doing this season (turns out really well).

However, it did remind me of Miami's self-imposed postseason bans in the wake of the Nevin Shapiro scandal when they didn't decide to impose a ban for a couple seasons until they had been eliminated from playing in major bowls (effectively after they were out of contention for their conference championship game).

 

[bbarry464]

Boy I would hate to see if the FBI ever investigated SEC football, the entire conference would have to dissolve.

To many FBI SEC fans....they are safe.

 

[Yolobomb]

Would like to think something will happen but I believe it will end up being slaps on the wrist or nothing at all. NCAA can't force anyone to talk. Depends on how deep the FBI wants to go with this. I can write down that I paid off 159 people. Are there signed documents? Receipts? Copies of checks or anything? Will this all come out?

2 words for you: Bank Records.

 

[jlb321]

Looks like you are incentivized to do whatever it takes

 

[Harry Caray]

Maybe if you hand over your research on steroids conducted during the late 80s and 90s

From a Michigan fan, who had one of the biggest cheating scandals in college basketball

 

[burkek]

With a confirmed wiretap implying racketeering, Sean Miller could go to prison. The FBI would love to make an example of a big name coach. Regardless, Miller will never coach another college basketball game and that includes the game tonight against Oregon. BTW: the points went from -1 Oregon last night to +5 Oregon this morning.

 

[Metalfan]

Have to think Arizona does something before they play Oregon tonight right?

 

[burkek]

Have to think Arizona does something before they play Oregon tonight right?

Miller won't be coaching and Ayton will never play another game, including tonight

 

[scarletred]

Miller won’t be coaching period..tonight or anytime soon for anyone else, he is toast.

 

[Metalfan]

Miller won't be coaching and Ayton will never play another game, including tonight

Thats the thought for sure and what makes the most sense. Just havent seen it announced

 

[schuele]

Miller won't be coaching and Ayton will never play another game, including tonight

Ayton started the game and will play his usual minutes. By leaving Miller in the locker room, Arizona figures they put enough lipstick on the pig.

 

[dinglefritz]

How big is this going to get? It's about to get gigantic. And I know I'm late to the thread, but I cannot believe someone still has yet to bring up the some of the key culprits that have yet to be named. The blame always goes directly to the coach, player and the school brand. But where the hell do you think all the tax money goes for the $100K for each player(s) at each big school(s)??? Sure it might be under the table but that cash still has to get taxed somehow, per the IRS. Those taxes are being laundered illegally.

Nike, Adidas and Under Armour are in scorching hot water. People will be going to prison. But let's not pretend like this is the first time this stuff has happened, because it isn't.

You don't go to jail for your deductions. You go to jail for FAILING TO REPORT INCOME. I'm not quite sure what line the shoe companies reported their "expense" for the pay outs on their books but I can guarantee you that the players and their families didn't report the income as "other income" on their 1040. The coaches then being involved in skirting the rules are guilty of conspiracy.

 

[hddude55]

Looks like you are incentivized to do whatever it takes

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As for that multimillion dollar error in Miller’s contract, you can bet at least a couple UofA attorneys will be finding other employment very soon. I used to work with our university attorneys on contracts and this is the kind of mistake that is simply unforgivable. University attorneys are expected to be contract experts and receive excellent salaries commensurate with that skill set.

 

[dinglefritz]

As for that multimillion dollar error in Miller’s contract, you can bet at least a couple UofA attorneys will be finding other employment very soon. I used to work with our university attorneys on contracts and this is the kind of mistake that is simply unforgivable. University attorneys are expected to be contract experts and receive excellent salaries commensurate with that skill set.

It might have not been an error. Cheat enough to win ....or else.

 

[saluno22]

As for that multimillion dollar error in Miller’s contract, you can bet at least a couple UofA attorneys will be finding other employment very soon. I used to work with our university attorneys on contracts and this is the kind of mistake that is simply unforgivable. University attorneys are expected to be contract experts and receive excellent salaries commensurate with that skill set.

It might have not been an error. Cheat enough to win ....or else.

 

[Can o' corn]

Some of the offenses are really minor like a dinner at Olive Garden. Others though? Wow. About 120K for a kid at North Carolina State...

 

[huskerfan66]

Soooo, this is the"Adidas" scandal. Aren't the majority of those schools Nike??? That could be the genius of this.

 

[kaz36]

The funny thing about all of this is that this stuff was kept on accounting paperwork like it was a business. This firm knew that the NCAA has no subpoena power and has no power to get warrants for their investigations and then BAM, they get blindsided by an FBI investigation.

 

[barney44]

Charge them with racketeering under RICO just as they would the mob..

 

[jimbosc]

Violating NCAA rules is bad...but it appears the NCAA was not really policing this nor are they making ANY indication they plan to sanction anyone. The message is "we'll look at updating the rules to reflect current reality" - aka they probably will match the model Olympic athletes use which DOES allow agents and some other benefits the NCAA does not today.

The problem is some of the agents/shoe companies/coaches (and probably schools) violated Federal law along the way. Gotta pay taxes on that money you don't want the NCAA to know about.....oops....kept records???? See you in prison!!

 

[schuele]

Violating NCAA rules is bad...but it appears the NCAA was not really policing this nor are they making ANY indication they plan to sanction anyone. The message is "we'll look at updating the rules to reflect current reality" - aka they probably will match the model Olympic athletes use which DOES allow agents and some other benefits the NCAA does not today.

The problem is some of the agents/shoe companies/coaches (and probably schools) violated Federal law along the way. Gotta pay taxes on that money you don't want the NCAA to know about.....oops....kept records???? See you in prison!!

Yes it's rather hilarious to hear TV talking heads looking at the Arizona situation and saying that this is why the NBA needs to get rid of the one-and-done rule.

While I agree that the one-and-done rule is stupid, and that there's no good reason to make DeAndre Ayton pretend to go to college for one year before joining the NBA - what does that have to do with Sean Miller's conversation with the bag man? Are we to believe that Sean Miller only resorted to cheating because there was a one-and-done player involved?

"Damn that one-and-done rule! It's turned an otherwise clean sport crooked!"

 

[gw2kpro]

Yes it's rather hilarious to hear TV talking heads looking at the Arizona situation and saying that this is why the NBA needs to get rid of the one-and-done rule.

While I agree that the one-and-done rule is stupid, and that there's no good reason to make DeAndre Ayton pretend to go to college for one year before joining the NBA - what does that have to do with Sean Miller's conversation with the bag man? Are we to believe that Sean Miller only resorted to cheating because there was a one-and-down player involved?

"Damn that one-and-done rule! It's turned an otherwise clean sport crooked!"

Bingo.

 

[huskerfan1414]

Here's the thing about the 1 and done.
I did a report on high schoolers going pro. You don't hear about ALL the many kids who ruin their lives.
You also never hear about the kids that go to college and end up staying because they realize they suck.
I'm not saying I'm against going straight to the pros, I just want to put it out there that it is not a slam dunk people think it is. You only know/hear about the high profile kids who are NBA ready. for every 1 of those there's at least 10 who aren't but think they are.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

Here's the thing about the 1 and done.
I did a report on high schoolers going pro. You don't hear about ALL the many kids who ruin their lives.
You also never hear about the kids that go to college and end up staying because they realize they suck.
I'm not saying I'm against going straight to the pros, I just want to put it out there that it is not a slam dunk people think it is. You only know/hear about the high profile kids who are NBA ready. for every 1 of those there's at least 10 who aren't but think they are.

Sort of like all 18 year olds.

 

[HuskerHusaria]

I really hope DONU and Tim Miles have nothing to do with this. I am confident they don't, but you never know...

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

I really hope DONU and Tim Miles have nothing to do with this. I am confident they don't, but you never know...

I know right, it’s not as though we’ve had a few former top 100 players transfer in or anything.

 

[schuele]

Here's the thing about the 1 and done.
I did a report on high schoolers going pro. You don't hear about ALL the many kids who ruin their lives.
You also never hear about the kids that go to college and end up staying because they realize they suck.
I'm not saying I'm against going straight to the pros, I just want to put it out there that it is not a slam dunk people think it is. You only know/hear about the high profile kids who are NBA ready. for every 1 of those there's at least 10 who aren't but think they are.

I'm absolutely not in favor of more players going pro right out of high school - I agree that very few of them belong in the NBA while still in their teens. The reason I think one-and-done is stupid is that it's a case of the NBA imposing a rule that tries to keep its GMs from drafting players who aren't ready. Can't they just, you know, NOT draft players who aren't ready?

And regardless of whether one-and-done makes any sense or not, it's not what caused a slimeball puke like Sean Miller to hire a bag man.

 

[tpmcg]

lets just take the covers off and have 'pay for play'...who's fooling who?

the only person who should care if they get an education is the player.

 

[HuskerBlueDevil]

As for that multimillion dollar error in Miller’s contract, you can bet at least a couple UofA attorneys will be finding other employment very soon. I used to work with our university attorneys on contracts and this is the kind of mistake that is simply unforgivable. University attorneys are expected to be contract experts and receive excellent salaries commensurate with that skill set.

It's not a mistake. It's an example of Miller having the juice to get the provision in the contract. If he is fired for cause it is unlikely that he will be able to find a coaching job at all or at least one that pays anywhere near what he is making at AZ. OTOH, if he is fired without cause, he can go find another coaching job that pays the big bucks. The provision is intended to make sure if the school hurts his chances for future high-paying coaching jobs by firing him for cause Miller is assured a higher buyout to compensate. I doubt if the attorneys working for AZ liked the clause, but Miller had enough bargaining power to get it in the contract.

 

[davecisar]

I really hope DONU and Tim Miles have nothing to do with this. I am confident they don't, but you never know...

Im no BB expert
HOWEVER
NU isnt getting many 5 and 4 star kids out of HS
The HIGH in demand players- that looks like are being bought by the likes of Kansas, Texas, NC etc

HOWEVER NU IS getting damaged goods top 100 kids- who for whatever reason had failed to pan out at the schools they were attending
Or guys like Copeland- needed things like back surgery that scared off a lot of teams
Andrew White was a bench sitter for KU

Miles isnt chasing down and getting the top talent- that others are buying

He is getting kids off the scrap heap- that goes for Pettaway and Pitchford too.
Our kids rarely have long- well pedigreed offer lists. You dont really see Miles beating out a bunch of really good P5 teams for the services of the kids he signs

Its highly unlikely there are a bunch of bidding wars going on out there for kids who for whatever reason arent starting or arent putting up many numbers or are hurt etc

FWIW- nationwide the HIGH SCHOOL coaches perception of Nebraska in FOOTBALL recruiting- from the people I talk to outside the state- is they are Howdy Doody- Any Griffith level clean- the "squares" of College Football. Been that way for a very long time. Talked to over 50 High School coaches the last 2 weeks in the Bay Area and SC, just got back on Sunday= that was their take- to a man.

 

[regoratsginrom]

lets just take the covers off and have 'pay for play'...who's fooling who?

the only person who should care if they get an education is the player.

We already have that. It's called the NBA...(and the G League)

 

[bmb81664]

It's not a mistake. It's an example of Miller having the juice to get the provision in the contract. If he is fired for cause it is unlikely that he will be able to find a coaching job at all or at least one that pays anywhere near what he is making at AZ. OTOH, if he is fired without cause, he can go find another coaching job that pays the big bucks. The provision is intended to make sure if the school hurts his chances for future high-paying coaching jobs by firing him for cause Miller is assured a higher buyout to compensate. I doubt if the attorneys working for AZ liked the clause, but Miller had enough bargaining power to get it in the contract.

Can't the school just fire him and say he wasn't winning enough (like we fired Solich)? Then they don't fire him with cause and pay him less.