8 teams should be the minimum. Any future contract should leave open the opportunity to expand mid-contract.
An expanded playoff fixes this
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The more I think about what the CFP committee did yesterday, the more I doubt a 12-Team Playoff will fix what happened yesterday. It might make it more fun, but I don’t know if it will unilaterally fix it. I have a hunch it will just widen the goalposts for the teams contracted with ESPN/Disney. Because on paper, the ACC is just as good as the SEC this year. The CFP committee just told the college football world that ratings matter more than the games.
I count 7 SEC teams that the CFP committee would have put in the Top 12 this year:
Texas
Bama
Georgia
Ole Miss
Mizzou
Oklahoma
LSU
The CFP would have 100% taken a 9-3 LSU over 10-2 Penn State bc of some "eye test" or “SOS” BS. Take it to the bank, they’ll do it, they just showed their true colors.
I count 7 SEC teams that the CFP committee would have put in the Top 12 this year:
Texas
Bama
Georgia
Ole Miss
Mizzou
Oklahoma
LSU
The CFP would have 100% taken a 9-3 LSU over 10-2 Penn State bc of some "eye test" or “SOS” BS. Take it to the bank, they’ll do it, they just showed their true colors.
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My thoughts exactly. A 4 team playoff didn’t fix the problem of the 2 team playoff. It will never be solved but I’m still for it because 12 teams is more fun and more teams can feel like they have a chance
MHO the committee has got it right most every year. This year is questionable at best. Why do people think it is the same committee that has been doing this every year? It is not people change and biasis go with and come in with them.
I do not think going to 12 solves the problems. Someone will always be left out and teams/fans mad.
It will give more eyes to TVs as more teams from more areas will view even if the outcome will generally be the same. There will be occasional upsets to jeep that crowd happy but they will be rare. In 10 years we will know and by then the games will be played by AI with no injuries.
I do not think going to 12 solves the problems. Someone will always be left out and teams/fans mad.
It will give more eyes to TVs as more teams from more areas will view even if the outcome will generally be the same. There will be occasional upsets to jeep that crowd happy but they will be rare. In 10 years we will know and by then the games will be played by AI with no injuries.
100% agree. It will be a ratings bonanza on the 1st day of the 12-Team CFP, much like the 1st/2nd rounds of March Madness. People won’t leave the couch (or the bar) next year as they watch the 1st round games on the #5 - #8’s campus sites. By 2033, they’ll probably have it expanded to a 16-Team or 24-Team Playoff.
The biggest difference, though, between College Basketball/March Madness and College Football/CFP, is its ability to represent dozens of different schools and regions in the USA. The Big 10 was way ahead of this in signing the 4 West Coast PAC 12 schools so as to cover 3 time zones. Hopefully this chess move counteracts the Southeastern Conference’s clout power, because College Football is becoming painfully regional, which led to the selection biases that happened yesterday.
Honestly. If I were picking. My 4 this year would be Michigan, Georgia, Texas, Alabama.
Honestly Ohio State could argue that they deserved to be in. Florida State was 16th and lost their QB and backup. Washington should get a shot but their sos holds them out. This is why a 12 team is needed or at the very least 8.
Honestly Ohio State could argue that they deserved to be in. Florida State was 16th and lost their QB and backup. Washington should get a shot but their sos holds them out. This is why a 12 team is needed or at the very least 8.
| 1 | Ohio St (11-1) | 13.4 | 1 | 45 | 5 |
| 2 | Alabama (12-1) | 13.2 | 1 | 57 | 3 |
| 3 | LSU (9-3) | 12.3 | 1 | 41 | 1 |
| 4 | Michigan (13-0) | 11.5 | 3 | 85 | 10 |
| 5 | Texas (12-1) | 11.3 | 1 | 63 | 4 |
| 6 | Penn St (10-2) | 11.1 | 2 | 43 | 2 |
| 7 | Georgia (12-1) | 10.3 | 1 | 63 | 12 |
| 8 | Washington (13-0) | 9.9 | 7 | 39 | 13 |
| 9 | Oregon (11-2) | 9.6 | 9 | 77 | 15 |
| 10 | Mississippi (10-2) | 9.5 | 4 | 89 | 6 |
It's ironic that the old BCS model would've also solved the 4-team problem. Michigan vs. Washington. Not many would've argued FSU in over those two.
In that case, it's 10-2 Oklahoma crying that Liberty got in ahead of them. No one feels to sorry about Oklahoma getting left out because they have two losses and Liberty is undefeated, so the problem is fixed. The only case where it would be a problem would be if Liberty were not undefeated, then Oklahoma might have a legitimate complaint.
The ACC will still exist in diminished form even if FSU, Clemson, North Carolina, and Miami leave. Teams like Boston College, Syracuse, Wake Forest, Cal, and Stanford don't have anywhere to go. The ACC will backfill and continue on in diminished form. Maybe Oregon State and Washington State receive invites and escape their bleak situation.
ESPN has been insufferable with their SEC slobbering since the announcement. I get it. They are in bed with that conference. But they are now even going after analysts with a different opinion about who should have gotten in.
It's like watching Fox News or some shit.
It's like watching Fox News or some shit.
If Texas and Oklahoma were already in the SEC, the SEC teams wouldn't all have the same record as they do now since they would have played each other, so they wouldn't all be sitting there with an opportunity to get into the 12 team bracket.
Very true, but a couple of B1G teams like Ohio State and Penn State. Oregon gets in too, but they are a PAC 12 team, at least this year, lol.
the 12-team cfp will lesson the angst of an fsu/ucf fiasco. still, there will people whining that they were 13th or whatever and left outside. this year's 12-team playoff would have been great. but the b10 and sec decided four was better for their first ten year money grab. so here we are with four the tenth instead of this.
(9) Missouri at (8) Oregon
Winner advances to play (1) Michigan*
(12) Liberty* at (5) Florida State
Winner advances to play (4) Alabama
(11) Ole Miss at (6) Georgia
Winner advances to play (3) Texas*
(10) Penn State at (7) Ohio State
Winner advances to play (2) Washington*
(9) Missouri at (8) Oregon
Winner advances to play (1) Michigan*
(12) Liberty* at (5) Florida State
Winner advances to play (4) Alabama
(11) Ole Miss at (6) Georgia
Winner advances to play (3) Texas*
(10) Penn State at (7) Ohio State
Winner advances to play (2) Washington*
8 or 16
no one gets a bye to rest and heal up
8 seems about right
no one gets a bye to rest and heal up
8 seems about right
the argument is that the bye is earned with a conference championship or ranking.
just like fsu earned a playoff spot by going undefeated this year. keep the possible manipulation to a minimum.
that's a false narrative. the current criteria does not say a conference champ is in automatically.
That shouldn't matter. Results on the field should matter. Not what a team theoretically will look like without a key player.
Theoretically, Nebraska should not have won the national championship in 1994 when the All-American QB went out with blood clots and the backup led the team to an undefeated season.
That's why you play the games.
There have been many times that conference champions have been left out due to having too many losses. However this is the first time an UNDEFEATED P5 champion was left out, the key word being undefeated.
They've previously stated they will handle it the same as March madness selection. It's the team you are at the time of selection, not earlier in the season. They held true to their stated guidelines. I have no issue with that.
Brook played a good chunk (most? It’s been a long time) of that season. The Huskers were a known quantity at any theoretical selection time.
While the FSU QBs comment about being injured earlier was sort of in jest, it absolutely would have helped FSUs cause if they had demonstrated they weren’t going to miss him that much over three our four games. Instead they peeked out an ugly win and even the CFP committee detractors admit FSU would basically be a sacrificial lamb in that fourth slot.
There’s literally a clause that addresses this situation. At the time people were supporting it because everyone thought those damn selfish millenials would sit out en masse and not hurt their draft positions, and no one wanted to watch OSU play Bama when all the good players were in street clothes.
It depends on what you mean by fix. The main charge of the committee is to put N teams into the playoffs that are the best N teams that have a shot at a national title.
Right now that number is four, and while people are upset that some criteria was dismissed for another one, people generally agree that the four best teams right now are in the playoff. Whether they are the four most deserving team is what’s at issue.
Now that we are going from four to twelve, it basically fixes the national championship argument. Sure once every fifty or seventy five years you’ll get a 12 seed who wins it all, but the vast majority will be won by the top half dozen seeds or so. Every system has its edge cases, but the fighting over who is a mostly irrelevant 12 seed is way down the list of problems compared to getting the top half dozen or so teams right.
Not many people are going to cry for an3 or 4 loss team ina NC tourney.
Why did they choose to invoke that clause now? Why not the 1st year of the playoffs when Ohio State was down to their 3rd string QB.
If I remember correctly Cardale beat a top ten Wisconsin team in an absolute beat down (48-0 or something like that?) in the B10 championship.
Clearly that’s quite a different impression than what FSU showed the other night. Especially considering at that time Wisconsin routinely had some of the best defenses in CFB.
True, but then don't you still have what we're currently dealing with? #5 FSU getting the shaft not getting that 1st round bye?
Not sure we can say that. I know others have brought up 2014 (?) Ohio St.... no one thought they could win it with their #3 QB.
Especially against Heisman winner Marcus Mariota & the Ducks.
So FSU didn't win pretty enough with their 2nd and 3rd string QB. Okay, what about Alabama's ugly win over Auburn, the same Auburn that was boat raced by mighty New Mexico State. To top it off, Alabama had their 1st string QB that game, so why weren't they penalized for not winning pretty enough? Alabama had some other ugly wins, South Florida and Arkansas come to mind.
You guys are looking at it wrong - here's why.
Name another year 3 teams in major conferences went unbeaten? Hasn't happened, ever - check my math, but for sure since the playoff started.
So if you go to 8 or even 12 you clear up the confusion of did you get the best teams in?
Sure you can always quibble about that last spot and who should get it, but regardless you know you got the best teams in. That's the goal. That's the way it should be looked at.
Name another year 3 teams in major conferences went unbeaten? Hasn't happened, ever - check my math, but for sure since the playoff started.
So if you go to 8 or even 12 you clear up the confusion of did you get the best teams in?
Sure you can always quibble about that last spot and who should get it, but regardless you know you got the best teams in. That's the goal. That's the way it should be looked at.
The problem was, an undefeated team was left out so a one loss team could get in. Last I checked, zero losses is less than 1 loss.
I had to look it up. You're basically right. Wisconsin was #11 and lost 59-0 to Ohio St.
Wisconsin was a 4 point favorite going into that game.
This is a strange way of saying you agree... That an expanded playoff fixes this. Welcome to the side of light... Finally 😉
