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My issue with that is the math doesn't back it up. That's not an evidence-based solution, it's an emotion.

Ok, you've got ONE guy from Somalia. So let's say we ban Somalis. Then what do you do about all the crazyass kids from right here in the U.S. who hauled off and killed a bunch of people? They're WAY out in front of Somalis or any other nationality.

Killing each other is as American as apple pie. I'm supposed to not want any new laws to stop our own citizens from doing it, but I should want new laws to stop people who were born in another country from doing it?


odd....my best friend is a Somali immigrant from 18 years ago. he spoke about 4 words of English when I had to train him where we worked. He even says the last thing we should do is bring in Somalis. He says all they want to do is fight and that is it. Ignoring the issue won't make it go away. They are incompatible with our way of life. Just a fact...not good or bad, just a fact that has to be acknowledged. Strange part is...THEY tell us that...DIRECTLY... and the Left says...oh no...they just need jobs....or Global Warming or something.
 
This I can totally get behind. I'm also watching with great interest when shops or manufacturers get sued. They way it's all set up right now, I think that's the only way you really get stringent checks at the point of sale is if the shop fears being sued into oblivion if they don't really do their homework up front.

I followed the LJS for a while, it blew my mind the number of reports they'd have of somebody's gun being stolen out of their car. What difference should it make whether a person is on a list if they know people are dumb enough to just keep one in the car at all times? It's just way too cheap and easy to get a gun illegally, because they're everywhere.

You've got a point. I hate when people leave guns in a vehicle parked in the driveway or an apartment complex. I had an incident where I had officers respond to a call of a man who left an AR-15, with loaded magazines, in an unlocked truck in a driveway. Wasn't real happy with that person when that call came out.

Regarding instances where it happens at a business, you may be aware that a law enforcement officer, in good standing can carry a gun concealed basically nationwide. However, they are still required to follow local CCW laws, and if a business says no guns in their business, then legally, they can't carry guns into that business. A couple of stories for you:

Story #1, an Officer from your area, was in Nebraska. He drove to a restaurant, walked to the door, and saw a sign that said no guns. He was legally carrying, but once he stepped foot into the restaurant, he'd officially be breaking the law, because that business can limit even people who can lawfully carry inside their business. So he walked back to his vehicle, and hid the gun. Went back inside the restaurant to eat, came out later, car was broken into and gun is gone.

Story #2, a person with a legal CCW license from another state in Nebraska staying at a hotel. Hotel does not allow guns inside. So the owners (two of them) abided by the law and leaves the guns hidden in the vehicle, in the parking lot. Vehicle gets broken into and guns get stolen. I especially didn't like that incident because I observed the suspects run from the vehicle and chased them on foot, not knowing that likely both were armed with loaded handguns. They were too young and too far away, and backup was too far away, and I lost them. Potentially a good thing.

I'm obviously not saying this is the case all the time, but it does happen. Those looking to break into vehicles notice when someone goes back to a vehicle and comes back out within a few minutes. It puts people like myself in a position of choosing to follow the law, and hope our vehicle doesn't get broke into, or knowingly break the law, and hope for the best. I'd be a liar if I said I hadn't brought a gun in with me where I shouldn't, especially at a hotel. I wish that hotels in particular would install lock boxes in a secure area if they want to not allow guns in their buildings vs expect them to be locked in a vehicle.
 
odd....my best friend is a Somali immigrant from 18 years ago. he spoke about 4 words of English when I had to train him where we worked. He even says the last thing we should do is bring in Somalis. He says all they want to do is fight and that is it. Ignoring the issue won't make it go away. They are incompatible with our way of life. Just a fact...not good or bad, just a fact that has to be acknowledged. Strange part is...THEY tell us that...DIRECTLY... and the Left says...oh no...they just need jobs....or Global Warming or something.

Bring W back! That guy got sh!t done around here!

It would sure be nice if it was as easy as Left vs Right.
 
Bring W back! That guy got sh!t done around here!

It would sure be nice if it was as easy as Left vs Right.
Ha he sure did...what a mess...He was clearly in over his head but the one job I always thought he would have been great at was Baseball Commissioner ...He wasnt very well spoken but when he talked baseball you could tell he knew what he was talking about
 
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The problem the Left has on this stuff is they CANNOT accept that some people do think the same way they do.

They will make every excuse for these guys and blame their behavior on Conservative thought. Even when it come straight from the horses mouth they say ...,oh that's not what they really meant.

These guys know they can seek cover from the Left and laugh about it.
 
odd....my best friend is a Somali immigrant from 18 years ago. he spoke about 4 words of English when I had to train him where we worked. He even says the last thing we should do is bring in Somalis. He says all they want to do is fight and that is it. Ignoring the issue won't make it go away. They are incompatible with our way of life. Just a fact...not good or bad, just a fact that has to be acknowledged. Strange part is...THEY tell us that...DIRECTLY... and the Left says...oh no...they just need jobs....or Global Warming or something.
Well if a guy on a message board says he has a friend who thinks that, it must be true. Sign me up!
 
You've got a point. I hate when people leave guns in a vehicle parked in the driveway or an apartment complex. I had an incident where I had officers respond to a call of a man who left an AR-15, with loaded magazines, in an unlocked truck in a driveway. Wasn't real happy with that person when that call came out.

Regarding instances where it happens at a business, you may be aware that a law enforcement officer, in good standing can carry a gun concealed basically nationwide. However, they are still required to follow local CCW laws, and if a business says no guns in their business, then legally, they can't carry guns into that business. A couple of stories for you:

Story #1, an Officer from your area, was in Nebraska. He drove to a restaurant, walked to the door, and saw a sign that said no guns. He was legally carrying, but once he stepped foot into the restaurant, he'd officially be breaking the law, because that business can limit even people who can lawfully carry inside their business. So he walked back to his vehicle, and hid the gun. Went back inside the restaurant to eat, came out later, car was broken into and gun is gone.

Story #2, a person with a legal CCW license from another state in Nebraska staying at a hotel. Hotel does not allow guns inside. So the owners (two of them) abided by the law and leaves the guns hidden in the vehicle, in the parking lot. Vehicle gets broken into and guns get stolen. I especially didn't like that incident because I observed the suspects run from the vehicle and chased them on foot, not knowing that likely both were armed with loaded handguns. They were too young and too far away, and backup was too far away, and I lost them. Potentially a good thing.

I'm obviously not saying this is the case all the time, but it does happen. Those looking to break into vehicles notice when someone goes back to a vehicle and comes back out within a few minutes. It puts people like myself in a position of choosing to follow the law, and hope our vehicle doesn't get broke into, or knowingly break the law, and hope for the best. I'd be a liar if I said I hadn't brought a gun in with me where I shouldn't, especially at a hotel. I wish that hotels in particular would install lock boxes in a secure area if they want to not allow guns in their buildings vs expect them to be locked in a vehicle.
It sheds light on precisely the issue with CC which is that it's never going to be allowed everywhere, which renders it impractical and perhaps even a liability in certain situations.

This is sort of a weird analogy but it reminds me of how I'd like to be able to take my dog everywhere with me, but because I can't take him inside (he's not a service dog) I would have to tie him up outside until I came back. I don't trust him not to bite somebody while I'm gone and I don't trust that somebody wouldn't steal him.
 
Why, you mean to tell me we can't pin all the worlds problems on us damned "libs"?

All the world's problems? Maybe not all. The vast majority of our country's? Absolutely.

Q: The greatest country in the world over the past 200 years? The one country most of the World's population wishes they lived in?

A: The U.S.

We have the greatest country in the world and yet we have a large portion of the population that want to make our country like all the rest. Truly logic defying.
 
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I am totally against suing manufacturers or salesmen for crimes. Only if they can go back to the sale and prove it was illegal. But manufacturers? Cmon.
Its time to start focusing on punishing the law breakers and not law abiding citizens. Its the shooters fault, no one elses, period. That includes gettng your gun stolen, for petes sake.
 
All the world's problems? Maybe not all. The vast majority of the our country's? Absolutely.

Q: The greatest country in the world over the past 200 years? The one country most of the World's population wishes they lived in?

A: The U.S.

We have the greatest country in the world and yet we have a large portion of the population that want to make our country like all the rest. Truly logic defying.
Absolutely correct. Crazy.
We also give more foreign aid than the rest of the world combined and allow more legal immigrants every year than any other nation. But somehow we are evil and need to be more like everyone else. Its nonsense.
 
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i would suggest the most extreme aspects of our country have the most say/control and that creates issues.
 
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All the world's problems? Maybe not all. The vast majority of the our country's? Absolutely.

Q: The greatest country in the world over the past 200 years? The one country most of the World's population wishes they lived in?

A: The U.S.

We have the greatest country in the world and yet we have a large portion of the population that want to make our country like all the rest. Truly logic defying.
Ah yes, this old unassailable logic. "The USA is the best and if you want to change anything at all you hate America and you should leave."

You do that at home as well? If your wife asks you to pick up your socks to you tell her she can get a divorce if she doesn't like where you put your socks?
 
i would suggest the most extreme aspects of our country have the most say/control and that creates issues.
I would fully agree. There's fascinating stuff with the role that social media plays in this. Facebook in particular is set up to quickly put you into a particular camp based on what you like. From there the volume on the echo chamber gets turned up very quickly.

We're also at that point with news channels, websites and even papers. You don't have to consider any other points of view if you don't want to. You can just go find one that will tell you what you already wanted to hear.

And I fully believe that both parties have had a hand in that. Politics and outrage sell, they found a great revenue stream. Nobody seems to be worried about the consequences of our elected officials not working together or compromising on anything.

Because what most of us are is moderate, especially fiscally. We want the government to collect enough money to pay for the stuff we need and quit buying the stuff we don't need. Which should be a fantastically simple proposition. But again, politics and outrage sell. So we make it complicated.
 
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My issue with that is the math doesn't back it up. That's not an evidence-based solution, it's an emotion.

Ok, you've got ONE guy from Somalia. So let's say we ban Somalis. Then what do you do about all the crazyass kids from right here in the U.S. who hauled off and killed a bunch of people? They're WAY out in front of Somalis or any other nationality.

Killing each other is as American as apple pie. I'm supposed to not want any new laws to stop our own citizens from doing it, but I should want new laws to stop people who were born in another country from doing it?

Can't stop all of it, and I'm not arguing otherwise. BUT, if we stopped importing new Muslims we could stop some of it. People need to stop acting like we owe the world a place to live. It's a privledge to come here, not a right, and a Muslim ban would stop some of this violence.

Now we find out the OSU knife guy was an Al Qaeda follower, sweet. Never saw that coming.
 
Ah yes, this old unassailable logic. "The USA is the best and if you want to change anything at all you hate America and you should leave."

You do that at home as well? If your wife asks you to pick up your socks to you tell her she can get a divorce if she doesn't like where you put your socks?

If you want to make fundamental changes, such as restricting the 2nd Amendment or tilt the country more towards socialism, then yes, you should GTFO!! I'm sick of the whiny overgrown children in this country who want Mommy government to care for them. Go to Canada, Australia, or any number of Western European countries if that's the type of society that you want.
 
Can't stop all of it, and I'm not arguing otherwise. BUT, if we stopped importing new Muslims we could stop some of it. People need to stop acting like we owe the world a place to live. It's a privledge to come here, not a right, and a Muslim ban would stop some of this violence.

Now we find out the OSU knife guy was an Al Qaeda follower, sweet. Never saw that coming.

It is a privilege. More people need to realize this.
 
I would fully agree. There's fascinating stuff with the role that social media plays in this. Facebook in particular is set up to quickly put you into a particular camp based on what you like. From there the volume on the echo chamber gets turned up very quickly.

We're also at that point with news channels, websites and even papers. You don't have to consider any other points of view if you don't want to. You can just go find one that will tell you what you already wanted to hear.

And I fully believe that both parties have had a hand in that. Politics and outrage sell, they found a great revenue stream. Nobody seems to be worried about the consequences of our elected officials not working together or compromising on anything.

Because what most of us are is moderate, especially fiscally. We want the government to collect enough money to pay for the stuff we need and quit buying the stuff we don't need. Which should be a fantastically simple proposition. But again, politics and outrage sell. So we make it complicated.

Really agree with this part..I was in complete shock that we as country elected this man and I think millions of other were too, but I wouldnt have known it by the people I surround myself with. I honestly believe if we had a do over he would not be elected because millions that didnt vote would vote against Trump....this will probably go down as one of the biggest electorate blunders of all time
 
Really agree with this part..I was in complete shock that we as country elected this man and I think millions of other were too, but I wouldnt have known it by the people I surround myself with. I honestly believe if we had a do over he would not be elected because millions that didnt vote would vote against Trump....this will probably go down as one of the biggest electorate blunders of all time

I believe he would win by an even bigger margin if it were held again and think you couldn't be more wrong on that, and I feel as disgusted by the other candidate you felt about mine (apparently so did America as a whole), so whatever.
 
I believe he would win by an even bigger margin if it were held again and think you couldn't be more wrong on that, and I feel as disgusted by the other candidate you felt about mine (apparently so did America as a whole), so whatever.
that we can agree on...america as a whole lost this election
 
Really agree with this part..I was in complete shock that we as country elected this man and I think millions of other were too, but I wouldnt have known it by the people I surround myself with. I honestly believe if we had a do over he would not be elected because millions that didnt vote would vote against Trump....this will probably go down as one of the biggest electorate blunders of all time
I'd pay money for the chance to have a do-over if my choices were just Romney and Rubio.

The DNC in particular failed to give credence to how much people hate Hillary. I know of several moderates who were Romney voters who just didn't vote for Pres. and a lot of far-left people who refused to vote because they hate Hillary, too. The DNC thought she could stay very centrist and get the center-right people to come over to her side and be so appalled with Trump that they'd vote for her. That didn't happen.

I saw a lot of women get excited about voting for Hillary but it was largely because she's a woman. I voted for her but it was basically, "I wanted Bernie but that's not an option any more and Trump shouldn't even be allowed to be one of the choices."

The thing that blows my mind about Trump is how people seem not to mind that he hasn't the first clue or concern for how you're supposed to do the job or that he is a full-tilt lie factory. I can get that they didn't want some career politician but this guy was objectively the biggest liar in the whole race. He makes stuff up, says it on camera and then goes, "I never said that."

He cares about himself and he's not going to get involved with anything that doesn't benefit his wallet or his image. The people who put their hopes in him the most are gonna get screwed the hardest when all he does is privatize a few things and make it a little easier to be a pre-existing billionaire.
 
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If you want to make fundamental changes, such as restricting the 2nd Amendment or tilt the country more towards socialism, then yes, you should GTFO!! I'm sick of the whiny overgrown children in this country who want Mommy government to care for them. Go to Canada, Australia, or any number of Western European countries if that's the type of society that you want.
You don't see the irony in name-calling while simultaneously declaring it's the "other guys" who are the over-grown children who whine?

This line of thinking makes as much sense as if I yelled at you to move to Russia if you want to live in a plutocracy with a strongman president who doesn't give a crap about what the law says he's supposed to do.
 
Nope. America won. You lost.
This is not dialogue, it's mudslinging. If you want to talk about what you think is going to be different or better in terms of policy, go for it.

Honest question, what do you feel that America won? I haven't seen anyone articulate WHY they think Trump is going to make their life better. The response is always framed in terms of why they hate liberals and "PC culture." That's fine, I get that you feel that way, but what is he going to do that 4 years from now you'll go, "I'm glad we have that now. That's why I voted for him."
 
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If you want to make fundamental changes, such as restricting the 2nd Amendment or tilt the country more towards socialism, then yes, you should GTFO!! I'm sick of the whiny overgrown children in this country who want Mommy government to care for them. Go to Canada, Australia, or any number of Western European countries if that's the type of society that you want.
Here's what you need to understand about what people like me ACTUALLY want:

We want the government to pay its effing bills.
We want the government to stop funneling more and more money to the richest rich guys while screwing all the rest of us.
We want the government to use everyone's hard-earned tax money on things that actually benefit Americans, not on invading the next country then trying to rebuild it, then re-invading it when they're not grateful that we invaded them.
We want the government to make it illegal for banks to scam hard-working people out of their money, gamble it all away and then get paid millions to retire when they get caught.
We want the government to fix the roads we need to drive on to get to work and to ship the goods we need.
We want the government to fix the water pipes we need for drinking water.
We want the government to fix the gas pipes we need for heat so they won't fall apart and explode.
We want the government to stop pissing away their energy on whether people are on birth control and focus on things that actually matter.
We want workers to come together and say to the C-suite, "Hey, we do most of the work and you got all the raises. That's bullshit. We ALL work for the profits, we ALL share the profits."

You think we want free stuff, and communism and all this BS, we don't. We want our damned money to be reinvested in the people it came from. They're already taking our money, and they're not listening to what we tell them we want done with it.
 
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Cruz would have been the best choice indeed, but you also have the never ever hillary standard. thus the Donald will suffice plenty.
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Cruz would have been the best choice indeed, but you also have the never ever hillary standard. thus the Donald will suffice plenty.
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Can't decide if I'd rather have somebody who is capable of acting presidential but is actually is incredibly conservative on social issues like Cruz or Pence, or whether it's better to have Trump who was just saying whatever would make the crowd cheer and won't care about following through.
 
Can't decide if I'd rather have somebody who is capable of acting presidential but is actually is incredibly conservative on social issues like Cruz or Pence, or whether it's better to have Trump who was just saying whatever would make the crowd cheer and won't care about following through.
I was Cruz 100% but I'm kinda wait and see on the Donald...I say give him a chance,
with 2 years of guideing help from Mr.Cruz, the Donald could be a-ok.
 
This is not dialogue, it's mudslinging. If you want to talk about what you think is going to be different or better in terms of policy, go for it.

Honest question, what do you feel that America won? I haven't seen anyone articulate WHY they think Trump is going to make their life better. The response is always framed in terms of why they hate liberals and "PC culture." That's fine, I get that you feel that way, but what is he going to do that 4 years from now you'll go, "I'm glad we have that now. That's why I voted for him."
I haven't looked at any of the responses in this blog, other than the last three, but I'll give it a shot, and this is relative to HRC. Trump is pro-business of all sizes and will govern accordingly. He understands that America is still bigger and badder than anyone else, and he is going to use that leverage to get policies and agreements that are weighted in favor of the Country and it's position in the world. He is absolutely right about stopping illegal immigration asap. He is a CEO and while he clearly has a massive ego (show me a President that didn't), he will let his advisors advise and he will listen to them. I believe that he will work to cut a ton of the fat out of bills. He has a significant challenge ahead of him (I keep reading and hearing from just about everyone that it is only a matter of time before we head into a recession), but I believe that he sincerely wants the Country to be the best, not just one of the best. He is less worried about making everyone feel good about who they are as an individual (have you noticed?) and more worried about getting s@#t done. This first two years will tell a lot.
 
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At least stop letting Muslims from terrorist nations in.....the guy at OSU said that any Muslim that's says they disagree with his actions are lying and that all Muslims are sleeper cells and we are being fooled.
 
Do you think he will make it 2 years without being impeached?
yes, he has 4 years, hopefully the first 2 are fantastic, so the voters will keep the republicans restoring America. he's already dodged one bullet, we don't have a first lady named bill.
 
I haven't looked at any of the responses in this blog, other than the last three, but I'll give it a shot, and this is relative to HRC. Trump is pro-business of all sizes and will govern accordingly. He understands that America is still bigger and badder than anyone else, and he is going to use that leverage to get policies and agreements that are weighted in favor of the Country and it's position in the world. He is absolutely right about stopping illegal immigration asap. He is a CEO and while he clearly has a massive ego (show me a President that didn't), he will let his advisors advise and he will listen to them. I believe that he will work to cut a ton of the fat out of bills. He has a significant challenge ahead of him (I keep reading and hearing from just about everyone that it is only a matter of time before we head into a recession), but I believe that he sincerely wants the Country to be the best, not just one of the best. He is less worried about making everyone feel good about who they are as an individual (have you noticed?) and more worried about getting s@#t done. This first two years will tell a lot.

What he said.
 
This is not dialogue, it's mudslinging. If you want to talk about what you think is going to be different or better in terms of policy, go for it.

Honest question, what do you feel that America won? I haven't seen anyone articulate WHY they think Trump is going to make their life better. The response is always framed in terms of why they hate liberals and "PC culture." That's fine, I get that you feel that way, but what is he going to do that 4 years from now you'll go, "I'm glad we have that now. That's why I voted for him."

FYI beav, I've read enough of your posts to think you're pretty cool dude. I'm 100% positive I could give you the keys to my house and let you use my car while I'm away and I would find it in better shape than I left it in, and I know you're a good dad. We are just polar opposites on politics, however, I always read your stuff with a level head and you've made me think about stuff I otherwise wouldn't have.

I'm not a "everyone is equal" kind of guy. I'm more of a "everybody is born with the same opportunity to become unequal" kind of guy. Earn it, period. If you're incapable for a reason out of your control, I'm glad to help, and I do. But when I read most liberals views it seems like they want to overlook the shady side of people and reward them whether they deserve it or not and won't have an honest conversation about some of the issues that plague America. Like, for instance, put a freaking glove on it, it ain't cool to have 8 kids with 6 different moms and not be around to support any of them (I know you prolly agree with this to) but if you say that on social media today, you're a racist. Just one example, I have many more.

I spent the last year being called every name in the book by the left, racist, "phobe" of sorts, redneck, etc, all because I didn't like their queen. So my patience is a little short when discussing this stuff now, but you're a cool dude.
 
I haven't looked at any of the responses in this blog, other than the last three, but I'll give it a shot, and this is relative to HRC. Trump is pro-business of all sizes and will govern accordingly. He understands that America is still bigger and badder than anyone else, and he is going to use that leverage to get policies and agreements that are weighted in favor of the Country and it's position in the world. He is absolutely right about stopping illegal immigration asap. He is a CEO and while he clearly has a massive ego (show me a President that didn't), he will let his advisors advise and he will listen to them. I believe that he will work to cut a ton of the fat out of bills. He has a significant challenge ahead of him (I keep reading and hearing from just about everyone that it is only a matter of time before we head into a recession), but I believe that he sincerely wants the Country to be the best, not just one of the best. He is less worried about making everyone feel good about who they are as an individual (have you noticed?) and more worried about getting s@#t done. This first two years will tell a lot.
I struggle with the popular idea that our government is choking businesses and how it lives alongside what we know very well, which is that our politicians get lobbying money like CRAZY to vote for a certain team. I understand where it's a very useful narrative to tell people that our tax code kills business, but I don't see the actual evidence of it. If we're being honest with ourselves, big business in this country wrote the tax code. The Carrier thing is a great example. They'll TELL you they gotta go to Mexico because a business just can't possibly survive in America, something something unions and taxes. They made BILLIONS in profit. You know why they'll move to Mexico? Because the guys in the c-suites can make a few million more by paying Mexicans $3 an hour instead of Americans $15. They don't care about who they employ, they care about profits. And we here in a developed nation can never win a race to the bottom on wages with people in 'third world' countries.

And will we as a nation say, "Eff you guys, I'm never buying Carrier HVAC equipment again"? No. Because they paid a guy to hold a presser in DC and say, "See how they left? It's those damned democrats and their taxes that chased them away!"

Politics is the divide, and we are the conquered. But I digress...

I also have serious doubts about Trump letting his advisers advise. He's said himself they keep telling him to stay off Twitter and yet there he is with the head-scratcher that the election he won was loaded with fraudulent voting. Which every credible outlet and people on both sides of the aisle have said is so false it's just baffling. It's also been reported that he's turning away intelligence briefings. The track record on the guy tells us he does and says what he wants, when he wants. I'm hopeful, but not expectant that he'll change that. His own lawyers meet with him in twos so at least THEY know what the real story is.

I agree that we're about due for another recession. I'm big believer that we'll keep stalling out the economy until we get real wage reform on the low end. You don't try to keep people from being poor because it's the *nice* thing to do or you're all touchy-feely, you can't eradicate all poverty. You do it because those huddled masses are the ones you need to buy shit and make shit so that the money keeps flowing.
 
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FYI beav, I've read enough of your posts to think you're pretty cool dude. I'm 100% positive I could give you the keys to my house and let you use my car while I'm away and I would find it in better shape than I left it in, and I know you're a good dad. We are just polar opposites on politics, however, I always read your stuff with a level head and you've made me think about stuff I otherwise wouldn't have.

I'm not a "everyone is equal" kind of guy. I'm more of a "everybody is born with the same opportunity to become unequal" kind of guy. Earn it, period. If you're incapable for a reason out of your control, I'm glad to help, and I do. But when I read most liberals views it seems like they want to overlook the shady side of people and reward them whether they deserve it or not and won't have an honest conversation about some of the issues that plague America. Like, for instance, put a freaking glove on it, it ain't cool to have 8 kids with 6 different moms and not be around to support any of them (I know you prolly agree with this to) but if you say that on social media today, you're a racist. Just one example, I have many more.

I spent the last year being called every name in the book by the left, racist, "phobe" of sorts, redneck, etc, all because I didn't like their queen. So my patience is a little short when discussing this stuff now, but you're a cool dude.
It's all in how you say it. If you talk about issues it generally goes ok. If you talk about people it generally goes badly.

Here's my version: I believe we're born with different levels of opportunity, but you still have to earn it, and we should do what we can to narrow the gaps in opportunity and here's why:

You don't have to like the poor, idiot public, but you do have to understand that if they fall off the cliff we're all climbing, we're tied to them whether we like it or not. For the sake of the metaphor let's say it's a steel cable or you don't have a knife or whatever.

There's an old saying that goes "if you want to live like a Republican, vote like a Democrat" and what that means is that it costs more in the long run to ignore all those people than it does to keep a safety net under them. Even if you don't like them and a few of them are exploiting that net. Do I wanna give an apartment and a supply of booze to a wino who is homeless on the streets? No, I don't. But the fact is it costs less to do that than it does to send the cops and the EMTs out to get him when it's 10 degrees out and he's dying of exposure. Or to scrub his piss off the doorway he sleeps in. Or to arrest and process and jail and feed him when he gets arrested.

They tried all that "grab your bootstraps and pull" stuff in the 1930s and it didn't go so hot until they figured out they'd better prime the pump with some of Uncle Sam's dollars through the WPA. Then they REALLY got it pumping when WWII broke out and the government was producing war materials like mad.
 
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